I am nearly germaphobic...

If you want to build up a stronger immune system, get a job working with kids! :lmao: I've been teaching for over 14 years been thrown up on, sneezed-on, wiped snot off of desks and papers, etc. All in all, I've had two minor colds.

If anyone is so afraid of germs that they feel the need to santize everything in their sight, they should probably avoid places like WDW!

I agree with previous posters about all of the different chemicals being used in the rooms! That can harm the health of my children more than a few germs.

Hey, if you normal folks don't mind drinking from a cup that has someone else's lip prints on it(BCV), that's your business. And if you don't feel the need to wipe down light switches that clearly have dirt on them (OKW), that again is your choice. I don't live that way at home nor do I while vacationing in these villas. I'm not germaphobic, I just have a different standard of cleanliness. My little 15 minute routine saves time for housekeeping to take care of the bigger jobs.

P.S. Normal Folks, please don't worry about the chemicals I use, if you can survive a swim in the public pools, my Lysol Wipes arent' going to kill you or the environment. By the way, normal, who's definition? :rolleyes1
 
We all have our own little quirks and consequently our own ways of dealing with them. ;)

When I check into a hotel or a DVC resort, if there is something that is obviously not clean enough that it bothers me (like lip prints on a glass) I will either take care of it myself or I will call housekeeping, depending upon the severity of the problem. I do not, however, routinely clean everything whether it needs it or not.

Anyone who wants to take his or her own time for a cleaning routine that is above the "standard" is certainly entitled to do that; expecting special treatment (like the guarantee of a recently refurbished room) is expecting too much. JMHO. :)
 
Just returned from a trip at SSR....the bathroom had not been cleaned prior to our arrival...the toilet was disgusting....when the toilet seat cover was closed we found the "remains" along the back of the seat.....disgusting....
This was my "first trip home"....welcome! That was when I wished I had brought my own Lysol wipes!!! and gloves!!!
 
What do you do when you go to a restaurant? Do you bring your own flatware and dishes?
Of course not...that is a pretty odd question to ask, don't you think? :rolleyes: When we eat at restaurants, we hope that everything has been cleaned and we are fully aware that maybe we are eating off of plates or silverware that haven't been completely sanitized. But why should we further increase our exposure to unsanitized plates/silverware by eating off of the plates and drinking out of the glasses provided in the room? Especially when we don't have to and it isn't an inconvenience to bring our own paper products. I would rather take out my paper plate, which takes 5 seconds, instead of spending time loading and running the dishwasher. It's just easier for us. There is the possibility that restaurants adhere to a higher standard than housekeeping. And if not, oh well. I control what I can when it comes to germs. But I am not so much of a germaphobe that I will choose to skip eating at Jiko in favor of going grocery shopping so that I know my food was prepared with a clean skillet.

One may think it is ridiculous to clean up after housekeeping, eat off of paper plates, etc. But to another person, using the kitchen supplies provided without cleaning them, or not wiping out the drawers/cabinets may sound equally ridiculous. We all have our own comfort levels and we're just sharing personal tips. Sarcasm and judgment does not have to accompany the post.
Beaslyboo said:
Hey, if you normal folks don't mind drinking from a cup that has someone else's lip prints on it(BCV), that's your business. And if you don't feel the need to wipe down light switches that clearly have dirt on them (OKW), that again is your choice. I don't live that way at home nor do I while vacationing in these villas. I'm not germaphobic, I just have a different standard of cleanliness.
I completely agree, Beaslyboo!
 

Story of two sisters. One - germaphob - sanitizes everything - her kids always sick. Sister and DH always sick.

Other sister - does not use sanitizers - not recommended by pediatrician - kid never sick. Never an ear ache, strep once - he is 11. Parents never sick.

Never had a problem in any DVC room.

Sometimes the chemicals used in cleaning are more hazardous than the germs.
 
What do you do when you go to a restaurant? Do you bring your own flatware and dishes?
I have a friend who whenever she and her family eat out, follow this proceedure.......sit down, read the menus, make your choice and order, then out comes the Purell to clean those nasty menu germs off, eat, more Purell. She has a huge bottle of the stuff in the car as well. It's really kind of funny.

Germs in WDW?? While I understand that there are those who feel that they want to wipe down surfaces in their villas (I have been known to do this as well), what do you do in the parks? I know that when we go to WDW in the winter, when flu is rampant, I tell my dd to not run her hands along those attraction railings...and it's this time that we actually bring out the hand sanitizers.
I always hand wash the glasses in my villa before using them. I have never run the dishwasher...at least not to date. I do wipe down the door handles and remotes. But, I have been pretty fortunate so far, I have had clean villas. I accept that there is going to be some mold in the shower..it's Florida. Even my step-mother has some in her bathroom and she is a cleaning nut!!
I will say that the villas at BW could use some attention though. My last stay there, in January, found much to be repaired. The doors to the armoire were close to falling off, drawers didn't close easily. The elements on the stove were all popped up and askew. The kitchen didn't have nearly as many cooking utensils in it as I have had previously. My hair dryer was broken but maintainence came right up with a new one. The other stuff I mentioned the day I checked out.
 
im one of those that never re-washes. I look first, if dirty, into the dishwasher. If room dirty, will call housekeeping. Re;bedding, I saw all those reports on the bedspreads, but do they replace th blankets also between guests??? My sister always has the kids using the purell stuff, her kids are always sick, not bad, just runny nose, etc. My kids, nothing. Do I want to eat off dirty plates - no, paper plates are a waste as are plastic cups, just filling up the landfills.

As far as restaurants, if I thought about it, I would never eat out!
 
I will admit to using Purell, or going to the restroom to wash my hands, before being seated in a restaurant. I also keep Purell inthe car, but really it is there for car trips and use after stopping at rest areas. Especially when you see the studies that only 85% of women and 65% of men wash their hands after using the facilities.

I look over the glassware the villas, and if it doesn't look really clean I hand wash it before use. That is about as germaphobic as I get. Dirt and germs are part of life, but I do my best to dine with clean utensils and hands, that just seems lke common sense.
 
To all of the people worrying about the chemicals used in cleaning products, you bring up a good point, as I have severe chemical allergies myself, so here are my thoughts:

1. Those of you saying that guests who use cleansers or Lysol wipes are harming you or your kids, aren't really thinking logically about it. If I check in (I don't use chemicals, by the way, as vinegar & water or natural based sprays are great) on Sunday, and wipe down my room upon check-in and then check-out a week later, not only have those chemicals dissipated soon after I used them, but housekeeping used commercial cleansers (bleach based I am assuming) to ready for your check-in, so my chemicals are all long gone, and it is the housekeeper's much more potent chemicals that are lingering. I will say though as someone who gets sick easily, it's much better for me to breathe in a few chemicals and take a puffer, than to catch a virus from an uncleaned remote or WDW handrail, as viruses last a very long time for me - no such thing as a 24 hour bug for me, more like 5-6 days!

2. For everyone who is worrying about chemicals, and with good reason, there are lots of natural/organic non-chemical cleansers out there such as: Method, Seventh Generation, Shaklee, vinegar, lemon juice or water (we have a Lotus Sanitizing system that we are bringing with us). These work just as good, or better than chemical laden cleansers, so for those of us with allergies/asthma, we can clean without getting sick!

3. Along these same lines, each DVC villa has it's own air filter and you can request these be changed for your arrival! One of the head engineers who was changing out the filters on our floor last summer at SSR, told us about the filter rotation schedule, but for those of us with astma or serious allergies, they will come and check the filter and if necessary, put in a fresh, new one right away.

4. Again, people keep bringing up the fact of oversanitization and doctors telling them not to do it, and that is true, on a daily basis. Cleaning down your room upon check-in that someone else has occupied before you does not fit into this category. They are talking about people who constantly use hand sanitizers all day long at home, etc., or, for people who have antibacterial everything in their homes, cars, etc. Quickly wiping down hotel remotes or telephones does not fall into this category, and, in fact, most doctors will tell you to do so as these hard surfaces can carry some seriously contagious bacteria as they are hardly ever cleaned. The pediatric specialists who treated us at Arnold Palmer's Children's Hospital in Orlando, mentioned to us a multitude of times that they wished more visitors to WDW would practice better hygiene, quickly wipe down phones/remotes, stay home or inside if ill, not let babies crawl on ground as they can pick up many foreign germs that are very dangerous to their young immune systems, and, the best advice - wash, wash, wash those hands all day long!! Basically, in a place like WDW that sees millions of visitors per year, they told us that this is an extreme situation; therefore, it is prudent for parents and guests to practice extra sanitation as they see some seriously ill children who were visiting WDW. The best extra one can do, is wash, wash, wash those hands, but they did say, that hand sanitizers if used properly (every 3rd time actually creates more bacteria, so 1x or 2x and then it's time to go and wash hands with soap/water) are necessary in places like WDW.

** People keep bringing up handrails, benches, knobs, restaurant menus, buffet lines, etc. in the parks and with good reason. Again, those of us who clean our rooms most assuredly already wipe down handles, use sanitizers or wash our hands. Docs told us that they have swabbed these areas, as well as shopping carts, public phones, etc., and found not only bacteria, but drugs as well; therefore, I totally agree that in this respect, rooms are cleaner than the parks, as did our docs. They actually said they have done cultures in WDW parks and found very nasty stuff. They advise all people to be extra vigilant in the parks, because although there is good bacteria present, there is also very harmful bacteria present, and this is the stuff that they don't want to see as it guarantees them babies and young children in serious medical distress, been there, done that.

Despite the fact that with most things on the DIS, this has turned into an Us vs. Them debate, a little foresight and education goes a long way in regards to this topic as per our pediatric specialists at the hospital, and, as I previously reminded people, there are many immunocompromised people who visit WDW, so please remember that. I find it highly insulting for people to say "Stay home." What about a little compromising? Those of us who like to clean will do so sparingly and with less chemical based products, and the rest of you who like germs, will remember that this is fine in your own environment, but when you are sharing WDW with millions of other people, it wouldn't hurt you to be a little more cautious and respect the fact that although you may have a strong immune system, not all the rest of us do, especially young babies, elderly and cancer patients, so please, continuously wash your hands, and remember, that villa is not your home, it will be shared by someone else right after you!

Healthy vibes sent to all WDW guests, Tiger :)
 
Sheesh, with everyone wiping switches, remotes, faucets, etc with all kinds of cleaning stuff...plus whatever housekeeping comes in and adds, how am I to know what toxic brew has been slathered all over the villas? Will we have to start RINSING everything off when we get there?

Maybe all you guys can get together and coordinate your cleaning chemicals or leave a note or something? At least with housekeeping, I can call and ask. I'm allergic to a lot of that stuff, so I'd really like to know what's there.

If you did catch anything, how would you know it wasn't from one of the handlebars on a ride, or from a kid in line sneezing on your kid? You're more likely to catch something out in the parks than in one of the rooms.


DisFlan

I could have posted this! I always think the same thing. I too have lots of cleaning product issues, and have even had to sleep in the car on one occation when the hotel room had "something sprayed in it" that I couldn't tolerate. I'm quite sure the theme parks don't "sanitize" the hand rails, door knobs, ride handles, or just about anything else that human hands can touch. If you are going to "catch" anything from a trip, it's likely going to be in those areas before the room!
 
Do you guys ever read the INSTRUCTIONS for those wipes? You have to wipe, then KEEP THE SURFACE WET FOR 5 MINUTES to have the stuff be effective. That means to disinfect that remote, you have to keep wiping and wiping...and wiping. For 5 full minutes. Anyone who says "oh, no problem, the whole villa only takes a few minutes to swab down" is fooling themselves. You've wasted your time. If you don't strictly follow instructions on all cleaning products, they don't work. And they're toxic. (Don't pay any attention to that pretty lady in commercials who is quickly wiping down toys. She's SELLING wipes.)

And those soaps that are labelled as "antibacterial"? They don't kill viruses. Not a one. They kill the weaker bacteria and leave the strongest to become superbugs. In a villa, viruses (rarely) would probably be one of your biggest worrries. And you WON'T kill the worrisome viruses (like Norwalk) with anything you'd be using from home. Most of the other germs are killed when they DRY. I'll repeat that. Most germs DIE when they DRY. Not all, but most of the ones you'd need to be concerned with.

More often that not, the bathroom is cleaner than the kitchen. It's a fact. Forget the bathroom. Move on. If there's poop on the walls or mold crawling out of the shower, call housekeeping. Their cleaners are more effective than whatever you brought from home. Your efforts might get whatever was bothering you out of sight, but that's about all. They aren't gone. (They never really are. You just feel better about them if you can't see or smell them, even at home.)

The dirtiest things in a kitchen are not usually countertops. It's the drain and the sponge. (Well, the sludge-y stuff in your veggie drawer might not be too good.) Replace your sponge once a week or boil it for 3 minutes. At home, use old sponges for scrubbing the deck or garage floor. Cutting boards are fine if you don't use a wooden one to cut meat. Use plastic for meat and stick it in the dishwasher. Use wood for veggies and wash it with soap and water. As for the drain, in a villa, just stay away from it (as in don't lick it or poke fingers down it). If your dishes don't look clean, call housekeeping or run them through the DW.

If you're a bleach person, remember that a surface has to be cleaned FIRST, then bleach has to remain in contact with it, WET, for 30 minutes. (This kills just about everything - large and small.) I don't know about you guys but that's more than I want to do on my vacation.

How do I know this stuff? As a clinical microbiologist, I've spent years using and testing cleaning products of all kinds on all sorts of surfaces and usages. That's how I developed allergies to many of them - which ought to be a lesson to you. Don't use what you really don't need. And you DON'T need most of them. Use *plain* old soap and water for just about everything. And boycott stuff that contains "Triclosan". It's in all kinds of stuff (like toothpaste) and it's the cleaning/chemical equilvalent of transfats. Also - sprays that "clean/disinfect the air"? Save your money. Ain't gonna happen. Plus, those "natural" cleaners that contain citrus, tea tree oil and other things can be a problem themselves. Most of them don't work as well as plain soap. But that's another story.

There. You just got a free $200 consultation/mini-lecture.

DisFlan
 
Thanks DisFlan! Would you like your fee in :banana: ? About the best I could do with the smilies.

I appreciate your expertise on the issue and will now add "triclosan" to the list of things to watch out for.
 
Do you guys ever read the INSTRUCTIONS for those wipes? You have to wipe, then KEEP THE SURFACE WET FOR 5 MINUTES to have the stuff be effective. That means to disinfect that remote, you have to keep wiping and wiping...and wiping. For 5 full minutes. Anyone who says "oh, no problem, the whole villa only takes a few minutes to swab down" is fooling themselves. You've wasted your time. If you don't strictly follow instructions on all cleaning products, they don't work. And they're toxic. (Don't pay any attention to that pretty lady in commercials who is quickly wiping down toys. She's SELLING wipes.)

And those soaps that are labelled as "antibacterial"? They don't kill viruses. Not a one. They kill the weaker bacteria and leave the strongest to become superbugs. In a villa, viruses (rarely) would probably be one of your biggest worrries. And you WON'T kill the worrisome viruses (like Norwalk) with anything you'd be using from home. Most of the other germs are killed when they DRY. I'll repeat that. Most germs DIE when they DRY. Not all, but most of the ones you'd need to be concerned with.

More often that not, the bathroom is cleaner than the kitchen. It's a fact. Forget the bathroom. Move on. If there's poop on the walls or mold crawling out of the shower, call housekeeping. Their cleaners are more effective than whatever you brought from home. Your efforts might get whatever was bothering you out of sight, but that's about all. They aren't gone. (They never really are. You just feel better about them if you can't see or smell them, even at home.)

The dirtiest things in a kitchen are not usually countertops. It's the drain and the sponge. (Well, the sludge-y stuff in your veggie drawer might not be too good.) Replace your sponge once a week or boil it for 3 minutes. At home, use old sponges for scrubbing the deck or garage floor. Cutting boards are fine if you don't use a wooden one to cut meat. Use plastic for meat and stick it in the dishwasher. Use wood for veggies and wash it with soap and water. As for the drain, in a villa, just stay away from it (as in don't lick it or poke fingers down it). If your dishes don't look clean, call housekeeping or run them through the DW.

If you're a bleach person, remember that a surface has to be cleaned FIRST, then bleach has to remain in contact with it, WET, for 30 minutes. (This kills just about everything - large and small.) I don't know about you guys but that's more than I want to do on my vacation.

How do I know this stuff? As a clinical microbiologist, I've spent years using and testing cleaning products of all kinds on all sorts of surfaces and usages. That's how I developed allergies to many of them - which ought to be a lesson to you. Don't use what you really don't need. And you DON'T need most of them. Use *plain* old soap and water for just about everything. And boycott stuff that contains "Triclosan". It's in all kinds of stuff (like toothpaste) and it's the cleaning/chemical equilvalent of transfats. Also - sprays that "clean/disinfect the air"? Save your money. Ain't gonna happen. Plus, those "natural" cleaners that contain citrus, tea tree oil and other things can be a problem themselves. Most of them don't work as well as plain soap. But that's another story.

There. You just got a free $200 consultation/mini-lecture.

DisFlan

Why would you assume that we don't read the labels or properly know how to clean? I'm not a microbiologist, but I know all of this info and then some. I am interested in your natural cleaners remark though - what evidence do you have to back this up? First of all, most organic or natural cleaners aren't antibacterial, so they aren't supposed to kill bacteria - my Method and Seventh Gen cleaners are used to freshen up the refrigerator shelves or countertops. If I want to kill bacteria say from cutting fresh meat for dinner, I use hot water and vinegar. Tea tree oil is a natural antibacterial, but it loses it's potency after a short amount of time and needs to be combined with something else for effectiveness - I'm still learning about how to properly use tea tree oil. I never use bleach as I'm highly allergic to it. Good point about sponges - never use them, and think that DVC providing them in the villas is a waste of money.

Of course as microbiologist you are going to be privy to things that the rest of us aren't, but the widespread usage of Triclosan has been known to be a problem for years, but good luck in getting chemical companies to admit using it. Chemical companies don't have to list their ingredients, and that is a problem that our governments have created.

I totally agree with you that washing hands and using soap and water is best, but in certain cases, such as blood from raw meat, or cooking fresh fish, or, diaper pail, soap and water may not cut it. We do use soap and water most and it works well in many cases, but it really depends upon the situation!

Thanks for the discussion! Happy health to all, Tiger :)
 
We are staying at OKW in a few days, and I am wondering if I should alert them to my feelings ahead of time; that I can't tolerate a dirty room and that a really worn room makes me feel like it is dirty. I am not expecting perfection, but do not want to stay in a room in need of rehab. I can remedy the housekeeping situation by cleaning it myself.

Any thoughts? Call or fax? Wait till check in?

My initial reaction to this post is that OP is asking if she should clarify with front desk that she wants a clean & updated room. Do you honestly believe that there are other members out there that truly are OK with dirty, old rooms. Do you feel that way? If so, I suppose you should talk to front desk.

However, my thought is that every member would prefer a clean, updated room. I think it's somewhat ridiculous for anyone to think otherwise.
 
Tiger926 - if you're happy with your natural cleaners, that's fine. Most of the things in them are added as surfactants - they release dirt and germs and allow them to be rinsed away. This is much less toxic than standard cleaners, and this is good. The problem is that many of these natural items can also be allergenic. Between 10 and 20% of the population is allergic to tea tree oil. Even if you aren't, if you use it long enough, you may become allergic to it.

I tend to like what Seventh Gen and (most) similar companies are doing with their products - aiming them away from the current infusion of toxic, poly-syllabic chemical compounds into almost everything we use on a daily basis (diapers, laundry soap, toothpaste, hand soap, deodorant, etc).

You might also consider using hydrogen peroxide as a cleaner for many things. It's not as allergenic as many of the "natural" cleaners and it's dirt cheap. It also kills a variety of germs. Vinegar is also fairly effective in some cases (not all). It's about a 5% acid (kills some germs) and is also a moderately good surfactant.

But keep in mind that plain old dish soap (the kind without all the added stuff) is an EXCELLANT surfactant. As is plain hand soap like Ivory for hand and skin cleansing. And they smell better than vinegar.

And I think this is all I have to say on the subject. I like a clean room as much as the next guest. If the state of the room was really, REALLY horrible (hasn't happened yet), I'd call housekeeping or ask for a cleaner room. I wouldn't waste vacation time by attempting to remedy the problem(s) myself.


DisFlan
 
totally off topic here, but i have like 3 gallons of vinegar, keep buying bulk not realizing i already have!!! How do you use it for cleaning? I have used it in the washer, but that was it. How is it used to clean your house instead of all those chemicals???
 
totally off topic here, but i have like 3 gallons of vinegar, keep buying bulk not realizing i already have!!! How do you use it for cleaning? I have used it in the washer, but that was it. How is it used to clean your house instead of all those chemicals???

I have a book called Home Comforts(it has all that stuff that my late mother knew about cleaning and housekeeping), the author is pretty big on vinegar, baking soda. I have a friend that uses vinegar/water to clean windows and mirrors because she's allergic to windex.

PM me if you want some more info on the book.
 
I tend to like what Seventh Gen and (most) similar companies are doing with their products - aiming them away from the current infusion of toxic, poly-syllabic chemical compounds into almost everything we use on a daily basis (diapers, laundry soap, toothpaste, hand soap, deodorant, etc).

You might also consider using hydrogen peroxide as a cleaner for many things. It's not as allergenic as many of the "natural" cleaners and it's dirt cheap. It also kills a variety of germs. Vinegar is also fairly effective in some cases (not all). It's about a 5% acid (kills some germs) and is also a moderately good surfactant.

The Seventh Gen counter cleaner is hydrogen peroxide - plus citris oil and a enzyme that breaks down protein. But mostly hydrogen peroxide.

Clarabelle - I put vinegar (straight) into a dollar store spray bottle and spray it straight. It works pretty well in the bathroom on soap scum and hard water.
 















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