HP expansion description details (i don't know if this has already been posted)

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i don't know if this has been posted - i searched the forum but couldn't find it, so i apologize if this is a duplicate post.

anyway, this is a blog from December 31 describing the new HP land to be built in Universal Studios (in addition to the existing land at IoA)

http://www.themeparkinsider.com/flume/201112/2824/

this is a pretty detailed description (i.e., very long blog)...
 
[this is the blog - the blog itself has diagrams and pictures - go to the link in the first post]

Plans for Harry Potter at Universal Studios Florida revealed

Written by Robert Niles
Published: December 31, 2011 at 4:03 PM

For our final post of 2011, I leave you with a little holiday present: The plans for the new Harry Potter land in Universal Studios Florida.
A source was kind enough to allow me a look at the plans - and they do appear spectacular. Before I get into the details, though, let me clarify a few points.

First, these are labeled "Concept," and dated last month (November 2011). There's no sign that these plans have been revised, or approved by engineers, so I am assuming that they are initial concept plans. Even though they are quite detailed, they are far from final, and anyone who's been involved in attraction development can tell you that much can change in the development process.

Second, I've seen only detailed plans for the main attraction in the new land, which appears to be set in Gringotts Bank. I've seen rough detail of the rest of the new land, though, and picked out a few details here and there.

Third, every page is stamped "Confidential," so I'm not supposed to be looking at them or telling you about them, and I'm certainly not going to tell you where I got access to them, so don't even bother asking.

So let's get to it, shall we?

The plans occupy the space between the Fear Factor Live theater and the Disaster! show building on the northwest corner of the Universal Studios Florida property - basically all the land now occupied by the Jaws attraction and surrounding Amity carnival games and shops. The northernmost section of the plot - almost half the land within it - is planned for a massive show building, which will house the Gringotts ride.

On the southeastern portion of the plot, a second attraction is designated. I can't tell from the plans what this attraction will be, but its position is consistent with the rumor of a Hogwarts Express ride connecting the two Harry Potter land, as this attraction points into the back-of-house access road that runs straight into the rear of Sindbad theater where the Wizarding World of Harry Potter is expanding into in Islands of Adventure.

For pedestrians in Universal Studios Florida, there appears to be a single point of entry into the new Harry Potter land, one that requires walking around a center obstacle inside what appears to be an enclosed space. This would fit with being a "secret entrance" to Diagon Alley, from the Harry Potter books and films. There also is what appears to be labeled an 8,900-square-foot restaurant building located immediately to the left of the entrance to the land. Could this be the Leaky Cauldron?

From the entry, there is a street that proceeds straight back to the rounded entrance facade of the Gringotts building.

Besides the restaurant to the left, I can't tell from the plans I saw what will occupy the other spaces in the buildings along the sides of this main street, which I presume to be Diagon Alley. There is a small, 500-square-foot "walk-through attraction" listed on a spur street to the left of the Gringotts entry, a spur that leads to the entrance to the second attraction. (Another Ollivander's? Your guess is as good as mine.)

Now let's get to that Gringotts ride.

It looks like we can expect another elaborately themed walk-through queue tour, along the lines of what we got with Hogwarts Castle in the original Wizarding World of Harry Potter. From the "Entry Hall," the queue appears to leave the building into shaded, then covered, areas before re-entering into the large "Bankers Hall." The next room in the queue is "Vault Display," then the "Reading Room." From there it's into what's labelled "Office Hallway" before we reach "Bill Weasley's Office." The next feature is labelled "Elevators," which take us up a level in order to cross over the ride tracks to access the center load island.

There are two load channels for the ride, with loading on the center island, and unloading off to the outsides. The ride vehicles are twin, 12-person, open-air cars, arranged in three rows of four. Each row is placed slightly higher than the row in front of it, in a "stadium seating" effect. The look of the cars is very Victorian, with individual lap bars and six Dolby speakers per seat for on-ride audio.

After the load platform, the two load channels merge to the south, then bearing to the left and entering Scene 1: "Turntable." In this scene, you'll face a brick wall, with two tunnel entrances, to the left and right. But before you proceed, the track below the first of the twin cars will drop from underneath that car. The track will come to rest at a 40-degree angle. Then, the track under the trailing car will begin to rise, matching the 40-degree angle of the leading car.

At that point, the two cars will drop in tandem into a third tunnel, below the tunnel on the right. Basically, we've just ridden a teeter-totter-like vertical track switch, attaching to the roller coaster track for our initial drop.

From there, we drop into Scene 2: "Dark Tunnel," a kinetic ride section with a small bunny hop and a hard right turn before we hit a block brake in preparation for Scene 3: "Ledge."

The Gringotts ride won't be a traditional roller coaster. It appears to be a hybrid roller coaster and motion-base ride, a la Spider-Man and Transformers. There are 3D projection screens throughout the ride, embedded in the rockwork of the tunnel walls, creating an illusion of open space, within which we'll watch battles taking place.

The first is in the Ledge scene, where some concept art shows a battle with wizards and giant-like creatures. The plans detail a shaker table under the track, and there's a waterfall effect at the end of the scene, including a fogscreen and water spritzers.

There's a slight free drop and turn to the left as we proceed through the waterfall, leading us into Scene 4: "Thief's Downfall." There are wind and heat effects in this scene, along with our first look at a dragon. Meanwhile, the ride's making a chicane-type turn to the left, then the right.

That leads us immediately into Scene 5: "Sirius Black's Vault." We hit a fog blast before entering the vault, where we see illuminated treasure ahead. The car makes a turn to the right, where the physical show scenery opens up a bit, with a large vault area with a flat 3D projection screen along the far wall. We then bear to the left, turning into Scene 6: "Ruins."

We're curving to the right through the rubble of what looks like a collapsed tunnel in this scene, which leads us into Scene 7: "Chasm." We're inside a large projection cone for this scene, which appears to involve Harry, Ron, Hermoine and… could it be? Voldemort? (The concept art I saw wasn't clear - it almost never is.) I do see a heat curtain and cold-air blast noted in this scene, though. (Shades of Revenge of the Mummy?)

From there, we launch into another dark tunnel (Scene 8), which banks up and around to the left, taking us into Scene 9: "Passage," our finale, where Harry and company bid us farewell before we return to the load/unload platform.

And yes, we do exit through a retail shop.

That's all I've got from these initial concept plans. They lack any information about the narrative of the ride or the imagery we'll see on those projection scenes. But the plans do detail a unique hybrid ride system that takes us through scenes that set up a potentially ambitious narrative.

So, what do you think?

Me? I can't wait to ride.
 
Sounds absolutely amazing. I can see Universal ending up relying on Potter too much though.
 

I'm a big HP fan and it does look good, but do we really need more Potter??

I agree with pp about Universal relying on Potter too much. With Jaws gone I was hoping for a brand new film and not one thats already got an area on IOA. (but then I am still a little bitter over Jaws :goodvibes)

Oh well. Potter it is.
 
Any one else think to much potter.

I am not a HP fan, saw 1st film and lost interest, never read any of the books.
When they 1st announced WWoHP I said surely they have missed the boat, its getting towards the end of HP.
I was considering ending our AP's after about 5 years but decided to renew to see the new WWoHP.
Since they opened we have been 3 or 4 times, renewed our AP's, stayed in a Universal hotel and paid way more than a room there is worth, bought pins, glasses, Hedwig puppet.......... spent a lot of money.

Now up to date, this August I was considering not renewing our AP's again, if this is going to be reality then I will probably renew as its cheaper than ending and starting again when this will be completed.

Is it too much HP? for some I am sure it is, for Universal its bringing in a lot of money, it has a massive following in the US. I can't see them thinking its too much just yet.
 
by the way, if you go to the blog itself, there are some really interesting response comments (with some additional info from the blogger)..

as for me, i'm not a Harry Potter fan at all, and i totally hate Universal, but i think they're definitely making a very very very smart financial decision.

They have made oodles of money on HP at IoA.
We're excellent examples of people who hate all things universal, and yet we probably spent $2000 this past summer, just visiting HP there.

they've brought in people who wouldn't have visited otherwise, they've had onsite hotel stays they wouldn't have sold without it, and then add to that all that garbage merchandise they're selling tons of!

this addition will bring people into universal (rather than just to IoA) and will bring back people like us, who only came to see the first HP - i'm sure we'll fork over another $2000 to see the second HP as well.
and again, i say that as someone who doesn't like Harry Potter books/movies AT ALL. i can't stand them really.
But i thought the theming of the WWoHP was outstanding. Much better than the theming anywhere else in universal.
 
Like Beth I loved the theming, but not interested in Harry Potter.

Like others still bitter about Jaws. I have never got over the loss of King Kong and Back to the Future!!

Would not draw me back to be honest.
 
we were talking about it at lunch just now and DD and I claimed we wouldn't go back for the new HP, but i bet we both would..

especially if they build the rumored train between the two HP lands...
that sounds very cool...
 
Like Beth I loved the theming, but not interested in Harry Potter.

Like others still bitter about Jaws. I have never got over the loss of King Kong and Back to the Future!!

DITTO

I so wish my kids could have ridden King Kong:sad1:

I think we will always go back to Uni/IOA for the ride experiences not the HP thing.
 
Don't get me rong I love what they have done with potter. The ride and theaming are amazing.

Just imagin what they could do with somthing else tho.
 
I never got into Harry Potter when i was younger (or even as an adult, now) as i've never been a big book reader or a fan of fantasy but i can appreciate just what a big following it has & i can understand why. So for me personally all i care about is that they make amazing attractions with equally amazing themed lands & the Gringotts Ride sounds amazing enough! :goodvibes & The Hogwarts Express attraction really intrigues me, as it's something very different but also something i'd enjoy regardless of the fact i don't know a great deal about Harry Potter (but i'm learning!).

But from my understanding (from friends who are massive Potter fans) having 2 Potter 'lands' so to speak in the two different Parks actually makes sense because that will make it as true to the books as possible due to fact Diagon Alley (which houses the 'Gringotts Bank') & The Leaky Cauldron Pub (the 'secret entrance' to Diagon Alley) are in a completely different place (London) to Hogsmeade (Scotland), & to get to Hogsmeade they have to get on the Hogwarts Express from King's Cross Station (in London obviously). So that could be why Universal are planning on having the Hogwarts Express & Diagon Alley (& The Leaky Cauldron Pub) at Universal Studios & not in Islands Of Adventure where Hogsmeade already is. :)
 
Heard that WWoHP has doubled earnings at Universal so it is understandable with the focus on IOA that increasing the attendance with Universal Studios can be a good thing for the parks

I am not a big HP fan but the troops and us all enjoyed WWoHP and they are not the only ones. Many Brits are reported to be heading to USF before WDW.

I am sure JK Rowling and Warner will ensure that this addition is as well themed as WWoHP.
 
I never got into Harry Potter when i was younger (or even as an adult, now) as i've never been a big book reader or a fan of fantasy but i can appreciate just what a big following it has & i can understand why. So for me personally all i care about is that they make amazing attractions with equally amazing themed lands & the Gringotts Ride sounds amazing enough! :goodvibes & The Hogwarts Express attraction really intrigues me, as it's something very different but also something i'd enjoy regardless of the fact i don't know a great deal about Harry Potter (but i'm learning!).

But from my understanding (from friends who are massive Potter fans) having 2 Potter 'lands' so to speak in the two different Parks actually makes sense because that will make it as true to the books as possible due to fact Diagon Alley (which houses the 'Gringotts Bank') & The Leaky Cauldron Pub (the 'secret entrance' to Diagon Alley) are in a completely different place (London) to Hogsmeade (Scotland), & to get to Hogsmeade they have to get on the Hogwarts Express from King's Cross Station (in London obviously). So that could be why Universal are planning on having the Hogwarts Express & Diagon Alley (& The Leaky Cauldron Pub) at Universal Studios & not in Islands Of Adventure where Hogsmeade already is. :)

I was going to say the same thing. I'm a HUGE Harry Potter fan and you're right, it makes perfect sense to have the two lands in the two parks, as this is how it is in the books/films.

And no, it's not too much Harry Potter as the demand and popularity is there and will be for a long time. If there was no demand they wouldn't have built it. It's an iconic book, a phenomenon and something that defines this decade. (whether or not you like it lol).

Universal is ahead of the game having Harry Potter there BUT to say it's relying on it is wrong, Universal has tonnes of fantastic rides and attractions that are not lessened because HP is now there.

If you don't like HP you can still spend a full 2 days in both parks and not do it all. I was a big Universal fan before HP, they don't need it but I'm very glad they have it, it's going to be one of the highlights of my Harry Potter mad family's holiday :D
 
It's smart - Harry Potter is the golden goose right now and has been very good for Universal - of course they're going to go where the money is. I am shocked that Jaws will be gone though - that's such an iconic ride and movie that I can't believe they're taking it away.
 












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