How much do photographers make?

By no means do i consider myself a photographer. I mean, i love taking pictures and i have had people tell me i should take it up as a career. I can't see myself doing that. I am currently taking courses, but to learn more about how to take better pictures, not cuz i want to do it for a living. Pictures are a great way to preserve events, our kids & family for the future. People should do it cuz they love it as an art... not as making a quick dollar, as i have seen some people do. Some people have shown me stuff they did, and sometimes i think my 9 year old could do a lot better.
 
I just sold a print for $12.

Since it only took me 1/250th of a second to take the shot per the EXIF data I am going out on a limb and saying I make $180,000 per hour.

But I think I will keep my day job just the same. ;)

But you had to take the time to process it, print it (or send it to a web site for printing), plus pay for the equipment. So, you are way in the hole already!
 
Heh, I've been told that the guys really the really, really nice equipment are usually dentist and doctors that do photography on the side. The pro's buy their hand-me-downs.
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The real pros get theirs comped by the companies who use them in ads.

Mark - question for you re: Oil Biz - why are the oil companies making record profits instead of allowing the prices at the pump to be a bit more reasonable? I'm not picking on you but it irks me any time I hear the oil companies making record setting profits while the poor people who need to drive to work are making way less. Oh, and to keep it on WDW, think about all those people who can't afford to go anymore because they can't pay the cost of the gas to drive there.
 
I think you done broke the code, my friend. Imagine what the D4 will do!

~E

You may think you are on to something but I think you are looking at this all wrong. Those fast shutter speeds are going to put you into a tax bracket that will make you choke. Start selling some nice long exposure shots as a more favorable tax strategy.
 

The real pros get theirs comped by the companies who use them in ads.

Mark - question for you re: Oil Biz - why are the oil companies making record profits instead of allowing the prices at the pump to be a bit more reasonable? I'm not picking on you but it irks me any time I hear the oil companies making record setting profits while the poor people who need to drive to work are making way less. Oh, and to keep it on WDW, think about all those people who can't afford to go anymore because they can't pay the cost of the gas to drive there.

That's a good question and I get it a lot when I venture out of oil country. Oil companies are not much different than other companies. We are in business to make our shareholders money. We do that by finding, producing, and selling oil and gas. When we have some to sell, we look at all the possible buyers and sell it to the one willing to pay the most money for it. Our customers look at all the possible sellers and buy it from the one offering the lowest price. It's that combination that determines what the price will be.

If you are willing to pay me $105 / barrel, GDad is willing to pay me $100 / barrel, and 0bli0 was willing to pay me $90 / barrel, I'm pretty much obligated to sell it to you. If I don't, I'm giving away value that my shareholders own. They'll fire me and probably sue me as well. Even if I was running my own private company, why would I sell it for less than the most I could get? If I offered to sell it for $90 / barrel, which person would I sell it to? If I sold it to 0bli0, who valued it at $90 / barrel, wouldn't it make sense for him to turn around and sell it to you for $105 / barrel and keep the difference?

Back in the 1970s, we decided as a nation that gas prices shouldn't get too high or people wouldn't be able to afford it. We set a price ceiling on gasoline. The problem was that there were too many people willing to buy at that artificially low price and not enough people willing to supply at that price. The result, as any economist could have predicted, was that we had gas shortages. I remember waiting for hours in line to get gasoline.

Even worse than the shortages the artificially low prices caused, was the impact on getting new supplies. Because we were limited in how much we could sell the oil for, we couldn't afford to invest as much in finding and producing more of it. The high prices we have now have spurred an incredible amount of activity in finding and producing more oil. In the longer run, that increases the supply and keeps prices from going still higher. If the future is anything like the past, we will eventually increase supply beyond the current demand and prices will come down again. Hopefully for me, they won't collapse like they have done in the past.

There are a lot of reasons why gas prices have gone so high recently. At the heart of the matter is the simple fact that there is more demand for oil at a lower price than there is supply to meet that demand. Demand has been increasing as people around the world are using more gas. More people around the world are buying cars and the cars they are buying are bigger and faster.

We have also had several supply problems. In Venezuela, they have shifted control of oil fields to people that are less skilled or less motivated to produce them well and their production has dropped. Production in Iraq has dropped because of the conflict there.

Another factor in the rise in oil prices is that the dollar is worth much less than it was just a few years ago. Oil prices are set on in an international market. For a variety of reasons, people around the world value dollars less than they did a few years ago. Because they value dollars less than they did, they demand more of them for their oil. The price rise of oil has been much less for people with Euros than for people with dollars.

Another factor that is keeping prices higher than they otherwise would be is that owners of the oil in the ground have been charging us more to produce it. We produce a lot of oil in Algeria and they have been adding new taxes on our oil production. That raises the cost of producing oil there and makes it less attractive for us to invest more money their to increase our production.

It's not just third world countries that are increasing our cost of production. Even here in the US there are people in the government that want to go back on the contracts they signed and start charging us more money for the oil we produce in the Gulf of Mexico. There are others that want to change the tax laws to increase taxes on oil and gas companies. These will have the effect of lowering our profits, but they will also decrease the supply of oil without hurting the demand. That will cause prices to go higher.

If you want lower gas prices, you've got to either lower the demand for oil or increase it's supply. You can do your part to lower demand by decreasing the amount of oil and gas you use. This happens naturally when prices go higher because people find ways to avoid using so much. As long as high profits are being made, people will be working on supplying more oil so that they can get some of those profits.

So don't blame me for high prices. I'm doing my part to increase supply as much as possible. And just as I don't expect anyone to spend more for my oil than they would for anyone else's oil, don't expect me to sell my oil to you for less than someone else is willing to pay for it.

I suppose a long rambling discussion about oil prices wouldn't be complete without talking about "peak oil." There is a finite amount of oil in the ground. Every year, we increase the amount of it that we produce. Some day, that won't be the case and production will start to decline. People refer to the point in time when world oil production goes down as "peak oil." No one is sure when that will be because no one knows for sure how much oil is left to be found and what future demand will be. Some people think that peak oil is coming very soon and others think that it is many decades away.

When we hit peak oil, supply won't be increasing, it will be decreasing. If demand keeps growing, prices will climb ever higher and higher prices won't result in more supply. People will be forced by higher prices to find alternatives for their energy.

To some extent, that is happening already. The viability of solar and wind energy has increased dramatically in the last few years. Partly that is because we are getting better and producing solar and wind energy more cheaply and partly it is because they are cheaper relative to oil.

We are also able to produce oil that would not have been cost effective in the past. There is a lot of oil that is very expensive to produce. A good example is mining tar sands and converting them to oil. When oil is $20 / barrel, no one will touch tar sands. When oil is $100 / barrel a lot of people are investing in them.

Prices are critical in an economy because they tell people what is to supply. High prices for energy are sending a clear signal to everyone to provide more energy and to use less of it. Don't blame me - that's just shooting the messenger.

Now I'm curious to see if any will actually read this entire off topic post.
 
One of the guys that works for me has built a very nice business as a wedding photographer. Last year he brought in more than $70k on this little part time job.

Sheesh.
 
Mark, that was a phenomenal explanation of the rising cost of gas/oil! THANK YOU!!! I hope you won't mind if I share it with some of my friends who think it's all a giant conspiracy. I have very strong opinions of things, however I usually have a tough time putting them into words. This said it perfectly. The only thing I ever managed to say that I was somewhat happy with was to my mom who was griping one day. I asked her if she would be proud of my DH if he didn't do everything he could to be successful in his business, just in an effort to keep other people happy. She loosely saw my point.
BTW, may I ask about your signature? Who are your heroes?
 
I volunteer anyhwere from 20-40 hours shooting for a local theater, shows and practices. I sell photos through smugmug though all the fullsize files are free for download from my site as well. It makes enough to cover the "pro" account fees at smugmug.
The first two years it paid for two tickets to go see Blue Man Group!
Should I have declared that on my taxes?

Mikeeee
 
Mark, that was a phenomenal explanation of the rising cost of gas/oil! THANK YOU!!! I hope you won't mind if I share it with some of my friends who think it's all a giant conspiracy. I have very strong opinions of things, however I usually have a tough time putting them into words. This said it perfectly. The only thing I ever managed to say that I was somewhat happy with was to my mom who was griping one day. I asked her if she would be proud of my DH if he didn't do everything he could to be successful in his business, just in an effort to keep other people happy. She loosely saw my point.
BTW, may I ask about your signature? Who are your heroes?

It's good to hear that someone was interested enough to read my rambling explanation. You are more than welcome to use it however you'd like.

There is a bit of truth to the notion of an oil conspiracy, though. A group of countries (called the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries) does conspire to make oil prices higher. They limit the amount of their production so that prices will rise higher. There's not much that we as American's can directly do about that. I also don't believe (though many disagree) that much of our high prices today are because of OPEC. In fact, some members of OPEC are concerned that prices this high will have a long term negative impact on their oil sales because we will adopt more alternatives and find more ways to use energy more efficiently.

As for the sig line, I'm going to demure from disambiguating it here.
 
I like that explaination, Mark. Well said. I think that most of the griping that I hear around here is that the price of gas rises and falls so quickly that it appears to be just gas companies trying to gouge the consumer. I know for a fact that as the Summer approaches, well before people start travelling to Cape Cod, our gas prices will sky rocket. Happens every year. That certainly seems like they are gouging us in anticipation of travellers increasing the demand. Not so much that the demand is actually increasing at that particular time. Being at $3.05-3.10/gallon right now only shows me that we will be at or above $3.50 by May. The peak tourist season really starts in late June to early July. By then, I fear the $4.00/gallon price. Is it really justified? Well, like you say, if people will pay it, then I suppose it is. Who am I to say who can and cannot make a profit? I just wish I could ride a bike to work and actually get there on time. Unfortunately, that isn't the case, so I have to pay the price. However, with my business on the exact opposite end of your business financially, my ability to afford it is decreasing every year. Maybe we should do a "don't buy gas for one whole day" scheme, huh? Those things ALWAYS work! :thumbsup2 :rolleyes:

ps. I'm not a professional photographer and have nothing to add that is relevant to this thread, but I would like to be someday, so I guess that counts.
 
Heh, I've been told that the guys really the really, really nice equipment are usually dentist and doctors that do photography on the side. The pro's buy their hand-me-downs.
Dentists, eh?

One of my lenses is a Lester A. Dine, who sell cameras and lenses for photographers... a 105mm F2.8 1:1 macro, with a big sticker on the barrel with photos of a mouth to give you an idea of how close you can get to the teeth in question. :rotfl2: It is a heck of a lens though! Fantastic quality, one of the best lenses of its type according to reviews. (It's actually a rebadged Kiron, actually, and Vivitar also sold a version.)

But that teeth sticker! I'm tempted to peel it off but it is a good conversation piece. :teeth:
 
Now I'm curious to see if any will actually read this entire off topic post.
I read far enough to remind me of why I dislike the stock market so much. Sigh. (Not that I blame you, as I don't as you're just a fellow trying to make a living, but I don't like the "machine".)

Give me a nice privately-owned company with slow, steady, long-term growth rather than one that's a slave to the stockholders who demand ever-increasing profits. The last company I worked nearly destroyed themselves when a new CEO came in who was stock-market-driven - and after bumping up the stock a bit, it crashed, many people lost huge amounts of money (I personally know at least one who lost hundreds of thousands of her retirement), and the CEO left with a $40 million "golden parachute". It took a few years for the new CEO to get even a little bit of morale back, and the company will never be the same as it was before.

Locally, we have a grocery store named Wegmans. It is one of the finest grocery stores in the world and just about everyone who leaves this area lists Wegmans as one of the biggest things they miss. It has topped the Fortune magazine list of "best places to work" a few times and regularly places very highly. It is family-owned and has slowly been expanding over western NY and into PA and other areas. By doing this, they've been able to keep quality and customer service extremely high, while still keeping prices low.

Now, if they were publically owned, they'd be all over the country by now and would lose a ton of quality in an attempt to compete with low-quality competition like the Super Wal-Marts and the Targets with grocery stores.

I guess it just bothers me when companies have to get their hands on every dollar they can get. This always always results in poorer quality, worse customer service, fewer jobs (and more shipped overseas to countries with low labor rates), etc. Similarly, it also leads to consolidation, which also hurts people. Who benefits when one company owns all the media outlets, or all the gas stations, or whichever? Only the companies themselves and the stockholders. This consolidation (whether by Exxon-Mobil colluding with Chevon-Texaco or via OPEC or whatever) leads to what is extremely close to price fixing. Yes, there's high demand, but one oil company decided to sell the gas for a few bucks less per barrel will probably make up the cost per sale with higher quantity of sales. However, no one does this, and there are enough lobbyists and "donations" that there will probably never be a proper investigation.

OK, that's it for my off-topic soapbox rant. Back on topic now. :)
 
First Ronald, then Milton, and now Bill. I'm losing my heroes and I miss them

Ok, now I have to guess
Ronald Ronald Reagan
Bill William F Buckley
I am at a loss on the Milton
 
Ok, now I have to guess
Ronald Ronald Reagan
Bill William F Buckley
I am at a loss on the Milton

Its either Milton Friedman or Berle. My money is on Friedman who popularized the phrase "There is no such thing as a free lunch". Or my personal favorite, "The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem."

Then gain, it could be Berle who said, "We owe a lot to Thomas Edison - if it wasn't for him, we'd be watching television by candlelight."

But Mark seems like the type of guy where it could even be Milton Waddams who famously said, "Excuse me, I believe you have my stapler..."

Difficult call to make on this Milton thing. Mark is quite the complex individual.
 
Now I'm curious to see if any will actually read this entire off topic post.

Unfortunately, my adult attention deficit issues did kick in and I could not read your entire post .............:rotfl:

But from what I scanned, you make valid points. :)

I am clearly more of a lurker than a poster at this point and have been for some time. But just so ya know, your photography skills are awesome.

There are actually many talented ones here!! I have become so inspired by the pics here, that I am trying to learn all I can so that maybe, just maybe, I can be justttttttt likeeeee u alllllllll, lolololol :worship:
 
Thank you Mark and yes, I did read your post. I know why prices are going up for barrels of oil, which leads to hire prices at the pump. But, it still doesn't mean that the oil companies have to make record profits off of it while everyone, including their shareholders suffer. My husband is in finance; when his customers hurt, so does he.

'nuff said, I'll get off my little soapbox

as to the topic at hand, sell your cameras and become stockholders in oil companies, you'll make more money
 
As for the sig, I have removed it. It was intended as a quiet tribute to three men that greatly influenced my life and philosophy. I recognize that there are probably some here that strongly disagree with the views that these men espoused. I don't want to cause any political strife here. When they were just three somewhat generic names, I felt comfortable with them on my sig. Now that identities have been associated with the names, I think it's time for me to drop the sig line.
 
As for the sig, I have removed it. It was intended as a quiet tribute to three men that greatly influenced my life and philosophy. I recognize that there are probably some here that strongly disagree with the views that these men espoused. I don't want to cause any political strife here. When they were just three somewhat generic names, I felt comfortable with them on my sig. Now that identities have been associated with the names, I think it's time for me to drop the sig line.

I don't think that anyone took offense to your signature, Mark. I certainly didn't, even though I sort of figured who the people were. I don't think that anyone on here would even have the right to question your beliefs or philosophy. I think the original question was just made as a curiosity factor. If that is who you like, leave it on there. I certainly would.
 
I don't think that anyone took offense to your signature, Mark. I certainly didn't, even though I sort of figured who the people were. I don't think that anyone on here would even have the right to question your beliefs or philosophy. I think the original question was just made as a curiosity factor. If that is who you like, leave it on there. I certainly would.

I appreciate the sentiment, but given that none of the three have anything to do with Disney and/or photography and that all three inspire deep antipathy from some, I'll just leave them off. It was only meant to be temporary anyway; now is as good a time as any to remove it.
 



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