How does vandalism and looting accomplish anything???

[Patch'sD]

Once he is no longer an immediate threat, an officer is supposed to stop shooting. If he was falling before the head shots then they weren't justified. You might not agree with that but that's the way it is. Later I'll try to find an article I read explaining it. It's a pretty neutral article that just explains how cops are supposed to handle a situation and decide to use their gun.

If someone is coming at me to do harm, I am going to empty my gun.

 

[sunshinehighway]

If someone is coming at me to do harm, I am going to empty my gun.

But that's you as a regular person. That doesn't mean that's what a cop is supposed to do. They are supposed to neutralize the that. If he's falling to the ground then he's no longer a that and as a trained professional a cop is supposed to stop shooting.

 

[CPT Tripss]

Not the same story, but they just interviewed a Police Chief in Philadelphia. They were showing some angry skateboarders and one of them was kicking the snot out of a Park Ranger who had the audacity to tell them hey you can't skate in this park. The skaters apparently took offense and being told not to do something by a person of authority. Stomped on his head, spit on him etc…Anyway, the Police Chief said kids today that they deal with on a daily basis do not care. And this is what they have to deal with. He said but let that same kid get a scratch on him and he cries police brutality.

So I think that some people (not saying Michael Brown) do not care what anyone in authority tells them to do. And why should they? There are people on this thread that seem to teach their kids to not respect people in authority.

Yep! Kids need to follow the lead of adults in positions of responsibility.

"If I had been told to get out of the street as a teenager, there would have been a distinct possibility that I might have smarted off. But, I wouldn’t have expected to be shot."
Sen. Rand Paul
http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/

 

[OurBigTrip]

So you believe he was falling when the head shots occurred? You realize what that means you are saying, right?

Yes, I do believe he was falling when the head shots occurred. How would they be explained otherwise?

And all it means is that IMO, he was probably falling as shots were being fired in very rapid succession. I wouldn't expect the Officer Wilson to stop and wait a few seconds after every shot to see it if Michael Brown was going to actually stop moving towards him. Would you?

 

[Suger Mag]

As with the release of the Store Video of Mike Brown, the release of the Second Autopsy was to try the case in the media. Detailing Six Shots will incite more violence. Since the partial Autopsy might back-up the Eye Witness acounts of the Shooting. The Private Corner could not say if Brown was facing forward or backward. .

Actually both the county ME and Dr. Baden were pretty clear that he was facing forward when shot... 6 times... and that none of the shots were from behind.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Once he is no longer an immediate threat, an officer is supposed to stop shooting. If he was falling before the head shots then they weren't justified. You might not agree with that but that's the way it is. Later I'll try to find an article I read explaining it. It's a pretty neutral article that just explains how cops are supposed to handle a situation and decide to use their gun.

But, those shots all probably came in very rapid sequence. If Brown was still on his feet when the 4th shot hit, getting in 2 more shots as he fell wouldn't seem unlikely. But, that's when the shooting would stop. Depending on caliber, the officer likely had 15+ rounds in his magazine.



Pure speculation, but I'd guess he was aiming for Brown's chest for the 5th & 6th shots. But, he actually hit Brown in the head because he was falling.

 

[NotUrsula]

The shot to the eye would have to have come after his head was lowered, be it due to charging (which I doubt) or falling (which I think is most likely).

The other possibility is stumbling. He *was* a big guy, and a person that size has momentum. If he were running and the intended body shots hit him, he might have begun stumbling forward in a daze with his eyes on the ground; eventually falling, but not going down immediately. He could have been bent over nearly double and done that.

 

[OurBigTrip]

"If I had been told to get out of the street as a teenager, there would have been a distinct possibility that I might have smarted off. But, I wouldn’t have expected to be shot."
Sen. Rand Paul
http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/

Neither would I, but then again, only the most conspiratorial minds would believe that Michael Brown was shot simply because he refused to move to the sidewalk.

If you had just robbed a store and then a police officer stopped you, and the only thing he said was "move to the sidewalk", wouldn't you feel pretty damned lucky and just move to the sidewalk?

 

[sunshinehighway]

Actually both the county ME and Dr. Baden were pretty clear that he was facing forward when shot... 6 times... and that none of the shots were from behind.

I think Dr. Baden found none of the shots were to his back. I'm really not sure that's the same thing as saying none of the shots were from behind.

 

[OurBigTrip]

The other possibility is stumbling. He *was* a big guy, and a person that size has momentum. If he were running and the intended body shots hit him, he might have begun stumbling forward in a daze with his eyes on the ground; eventually falling, but not going down immediately. He could have been bent over nearly double and done that.

That's what I meant by falling - stumbling forward as he's affected by the previous shots.

 

[CPT Tripss]

You know something that annoys me? 2 days after Wilson shot Brown, an African-American cop, Hudson, shot an unarmed Caucasian man, Gaynier, who charged at him in Dallas. Gaynier has a rap sheet as some have said Brown had. Have we seen riots, looting, and charges of racism? No.

Dallas had a minority shot by a police officer the very next day. No riots then either. Unfortunately, police shoot a lot in Dallas. And a couple years ago, the police chief there instituted a lot of changes. Interesting that he also held a community forum in response to Ferguson . . . Something lacking in Ferguson.

 

[Disneychick75]

Yes, I do believe he was falling when the head shots occurred. How would they be explained otherwise?

And all it means is that IMO, he was probably falling as shots were being fired in very rapid succession. I wouldn't expect the Officer Wilson to stop and wait a few seconds after every shot to see it if Michael Brown was going to actually stop moving towards him. Would you?

Yes, all of the shots were fired w/in at the most 2 seconds. It isn't as though Wilson could ask the bullets to stop.
Police officers are trained to shoot until the threat has stopped.

 

[OurBigTrip]

But that's you as a regular person. That doesn't mean that's what a cop is supposed to do. They are supposed to neutralize the that. If he's falling to the ground then he's no longer a that and as a trained professional a cop is supposed to stop shooting.

You seem to be assuming that a police officer will either a) wait a few seconds after each shot to see what will happen or b) know that the next shot he fires will be the one to take a person down. Neither of these is reasonable.

If a suspect is still moving forward, the officer is going to continue to fire.

 

[CPT Tripss]

Neither would I, but then again, only the most conspiratorial minds would believe that Michael Brown was shot simply because he refused to move to the sidewalk.

If you had just robbed a store and then a police officer stopped you, and the only thing he said was "move to the sidewalk", wouldn't you feel pretty damned lucky and just move to the sidewalk?

Rand does go for conspiracies doesn't he?

 

[Disneychick75]

I think Dr. Baden found none of the shots were to his back. I'm really not sure that's the same thing as saying none of the shots were from behind.

So we have a magic bullet that is shot from behind and curves around to the front in order to hit Brown's bicep?

Dallas had a minority shot by a police officer the very next day. No riots then either. Unfortunately, police shoot a lot in Dallas. And a couple years ago, the police chief there instituted a lot of changes. Interesting that he also held a community forum in response to Ferguson . . . Something lacking in Ferguson.

There have been meetings at the Greater St. Marks Family Church.

 

[Suger Mag]

I think Dr. Baden found none of the shots were to his back. I'm really not sure that's the same thing as saying none of the shots were from behind.

yes, that is what i mean, that when he was shot... he was facing the shooter. Not that his back was to the shooter... or that there was a magic bullet from ACME

 

[OurBigTrip]

Rand does go for conspiracies doesn't he?

I'm of the opinion that anyone that believes Michael Brown was shot six times simply because he refused to move to the sidewalk is too far out there to be considered credible.

 

[Disneychick75]

No idea.

But I'm of the opinion that anyone that believes Michael Brown was shot six times simply because he refused to move to the sidewalk is too far out there to be considered credible.

And if that's what Rand Paul believes, then I'll put him in that group.

The mods will close the thread if we're drawn into politics. Just pretend you don't see any references to that.

 

[CPT Tripss]

The only way the shot would have traveled to Brown's collar bone the way it did if he was prone would have been if Wilson was standing over him and shooting directly down into his head. No one said the shooting happened this way. I believe most eyewitnesses said Brown was running towards Wilson, except for Johnson whose lies have been consistently exposed. The only thing proven true so far was they stole the "rellos".
If Brown was running forward and his head was forward for momentum, the shot would have gone into the top of his head and moved toward his collar bone.

I said "getting into the prone position." Every bit as plausible a scenario as running fast leading with the head after being shot several times.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Please take no offense or snark from this ... but from your statement I do not think you have ever smoked pot. Pot does not make you feel "invincible" or make you lose all inhibitions and sense a la "Reefer Madness"... rather try hungry and mellow. If he was high I am suprised he didn't steal cookies rather than cigars...

I have not. But I have consumed my fair share of alcohol.

People do stupid things inebriated. Hence my question.

And I'm fine not being part of the cool kids club.