How does vandalism and looting accomplish anything???

[Gumbo4x4]

I'm not sure I believe Johnson's account.

As far as top of the head--there is only one way that is possible based on how he landed on the ground.

I'm not buying anything Johnson says as many of his statements have already proven false. I'm not sure he even saw what happened.

Both head shots to me indicate Brown falling forward at the time of the shots.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

I agree, it takes no time to fire off six rounds with a semi-automatic pistol, which was kind of my point, i.e., a lot can happen in that 2-3 seconds. He's coming towards you, he's falling, he's down.

Yup.

And for those saying he shouldn't have fired if Brown was 35 feet away, a very average man can run 35 feet in less than 2 seconds. An Olympic sprinter can do it in 1.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

You make some good points. That being said... I know from experience (not first hand) that being shot, anywhere on your body, is painful. Bullets actually burn. Its similar to holding a match to your skin. Its not like the movies when the killer keeps coming forward, taking multiple bullets.

Michael Brown wasn't a tough kid. He wasn't super human. I can bet he reacted just like any other human-being after having a bullet strike him. I get the speculation but at some point human behavior and the human anatomy come into play. Let's not make this kid out to suddenly be UNSTOPPABLE.

Officers are equipped with several different weapons that are design to "stop" an offender from doing harm. Stun Guns. Pepper Spray. Night Sticks. Officer Wilson MADE the decision to use deadly force and now the task of justifying the use of deadly force must happen. If Brown was THAT close to where he could physically harm the officer, it make sense to fire that many shots. Unless Brown was high on something or had a death wish, how can shooting someone 6 times (once to the head) be justified?

To my knowledge most Law Enforcement officers carry a Glock 19 or 22. Those weapons are DESIGNED to drop someone with just one shot. No matter the size of the individual. Point is... its a powerful weapon.

With that being said... I'm not SURE if the weapon used was one of the above but best believe, the police don't walk around with Pea-Shooters.

An average deer rifle is roughly 5 times as powerful as a 9mm handgun. A deer shot in the heart or lungs will typically run at least 40 yards after being shot. Brown was roughly twice the weight of an average adult deer. Dropping instantly from a 9mm or .40 is not the norm except in the case of a head shot.


Incidentally, the 9mm is roughly the same power of the .38 special that American troops found ineffective against Phillipine combatants. That's the entire reason the .45 ACP was developed.

 

[Disneychick75]

I'm not buying anything Johnson says as many of his statements have already proven false. I'm not sure he even saw what happened.

Both head shots to me indicate Brown falling forward at the time of the shots.

An ex-Special forces soldier who is now a firearms instructor explained the head shots something like this.

Wilson's shot to the top of Brown's head show Brown was moving forward. The shot to the face would have made his head go back and if he was a smaller person, he might have fallen backward but he didn't. This indicates that his center of gravity was ahead of his toes, meaning Brown was moving forward at considerable speed. The faster a person runs, the further in front of his center of mass his center of gravity will be.

 

[OurBigTrip]

I guess Ferguson can look forward to more riots tonight.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...t-from-the-front-had-marijuana-in-his-system/

Michael Brown was shot in the head and chest multiple times, according to Mary Case, the St. Louis County medical examiner.

While Case declined to comment further, citing the ongoing investigation into Brown’s death, another person familiar with the county’s investigation told The Washington Post that Brown had between six and eight gunshot wounds and was shot from the front.

In addition, Brown had marijuana in his system when he was shot and killed by a police officer on Aug. 9 in Ferguson, according to this person, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.

 

[livie1205]

An ex-Special forces soldier who is now a firearms instructor explained the head shots something like this.

Wilson's shot to the top of Brown's head show Brown was moving forward. The shot to the face would have made his head go back and if he was a smaller person, he might have fallen backward but he didn't. This indicates that his center of gravity was ahead of his toes, meaning Brown was moving forward at considerable speed. The faster a person runs, the further in front of his center of mass his center of gravity will be.

Thank you for posting, its frustrating to read alot of stuff about gunshot residue, shots, how far away he SHOULD be ect ect when so many dont have certain training to know when, how and why... FYI , the fact he was " unarmed" has nothing to do with anything... You dont need a weapon to kill someone.

 

[Geoff_M]

I guess Ferguson can look forward to more riots tonight.

"who spoke on the condition of anonymity..."

I'd be careful in putting too much stock into that information until someone's willing to go on record about it.

Anyway, if it is true, I have no doubt that the reaction will be "Whoop-dee-do! An 18 year-old inner-city youth with traces of pot in his system... That probably describes half of that demographic! So what!?!?!? Are you suggesting they all need to be shot too!"

 

[sunshinehighway]

An average deer rifle is roughly 5 times as powerful as a 9mm handgun. A deer shot in the heart or lungs will typically run at least 40 yards after being shot. Brown was roughly twice the weight of an average adult deer. Dropping instantly from a 9mm or .40 is not the norm except in the case of a head shot.


Incidentally, the 9mm is roughly the same power of the .38 special that American troops found ineffective against Phillipine combatants. That's the entire reason the .45 ACP was developed.

maybe he could leap a building in a single bound too.

I mean really.. Comparing him to a deer or Olympic sprinter (a few posts above) is reaching. If his head is down for the head shots then he's either charging the cop like a bull (after being shot several times already) or falling over (after being shot several times already).

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

"who spoke on the condition of anonymity..."

I'd be careful in putting too much stock into that information until someone's willing to go on record about it.

Anyway, if it is true, I have no doubt that the reaction will be "Whoop-dee-do! An 18 year-old inner-city youth with traces of pot in his system... That probably describes half of that demographic! So what!?!?!? Are you suggesting they all need to be shot too!"

Is be more interested into the affects it has on his mind--if it was something recent where it would eliminate any inhibitions and increase hose belief that he was invincible.

In other words--it doesn't mean they he deserved to be shot. But it could mean that he felt he could approach the officer without consequence.

Anyway--just curious.

 

[sunshinehighway]

"who spoke on the condition of anonymity..."

I'd be careful in putting too much stock into that information until someone's willing to go on record about it.

Anyway, if it is true, I have no doubt that the reaction will be "Whoop-dee-do! An 18 year-old inner-city youth with traces of pot in his system... That probably describes half of that demographic! So what!?!?!? Are you suggesting they all need to be shot too!"

If there's pot in his system it would indicate to me that he wasn't on some crazy drug that caused him super human strength and pain tolerance. I mean if it comes out he's on something hardcore like angel dust or bath salts then the idea that he randomly charged the cop and kept on coming after being shot, would make more sense.

 

[Geoff_M]

Is be more interested into the affects it has on his mind--if it was something recent where it would eliminate any inhibitions and increase hose belief that he was invincible.

In other words--it doesn't mean they he deserved to be shot. But it could mean that he felt he could approach the officer without consequence.

Anyway--just curious.

I know, but this is well worn ground. Heck, Benjamin Crump already has the talking points ready to go.

 

[OurBigTrip]

"who spoke on the condition of anonymity..."

I'd be careful in putting too much stock into that information until someone's willing to go on record about it.

Oh I agree 100%, if they don't want to put their name to it, it's questionable, IMO. However, I'm thinking that true or not, it will be seen as trying to smear Brown.

 

[OurBigTrip]

If there's pot in his system it would indicate to me that he wasn't on some crazy drug that caused him super human strength and pain tolerance. I mean if it comes out he's on something hardcore like angel dust or bath salts then the idea that he randomly charged the cop and kept on coming after being shot, would make more sense.

Agree 100%. IMO, the biggest effect, if he had smoked very recently, would be judgement. In many people, marijuana tends to cloud one's judgement, just as alcohol often does.

 

[Suger Mag]

Is be more interested into the affects it has on his mind--if it was something recent where it would eliminate any inhibitions and increase hose belief that he was invincible.

Please take no offense or snark from this ... but from your statement I do not think you have ever smoked pot. Pot does not make you feel "invincible" or make you lose all inhibitions and sense a la "Reefer Madness"... rather try hungry and mellow. If he was high I am suprised he didn't steal cookies rather than cigars...

 

[brunette8706]

maybe he could leap a building in a single bound too.

I mean really.. Comparing him to a deer or Olympic sprinter (a few posts above) is reaching. If his head is down for the head shots then he's either charging the cop like a bull (after being shot several times already) or falling over (after being shot several times already).[/QUOTE]

Your ascertion makes perfect sense. I agree with that also.

 

[Disneychick75]

I guess Ferguson can look forward to more riots tonight.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...t-from-the-front-had-marijuana-in-his-system/

Having been an an aficionado in my younger days, I can say that marijuana makes a person laid back and non aggressive unless it's been laced with something else. Proponents of legalization use this argument to push for marijuana legalization.
Also, and not saying this happened but kids sometimes times buy cigarellos, empty out the tobacco, and put pot in the cigar shell.

Thank you for posting, its frustrating to read alot of stuff about gunshot residue, shots, how far away he SHOULD be ect ect when so many dont have certain training to know when, how and why... FYI , the fact he was " unarmed" has nothing to do with anything... You dont need a weapon to kill someone.

You're welcome.

 

[brunette8706]

Please take no offense or snark from this ... but from your statement I do not think you have ever smoked pot. Pot does not make you feel "invincible" or make you lose all inhibitions and sense a la "Reefer Madness"... rather try hungry and mellow. If he was high I am suprised he didn't steal cookies rather than cigars...

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I'm waiting for the Toxiology report, that should be interesting. Another piece of the puzzle.

 

[OurBigTrip]

Please take no offense or snark from this ... but from your statement I do not think you have ever smoked pot. Pot does not make you feel "invincible" or make you lose all inhibitions and sense a la "Reefer Madness"... rather try hungry and mellow. If he was high I am suprised he didn't steal cookies rather than cigars...

I agree on the mellow and hungry but part of the mellow is often clouded judgement. I still go back to why didn't Brown just get on the sidewalk when Wilson told him to? It just doesn't seem rational to me.

Would someone that had very recently smoked pot misjudged the officer's demeanor in telling him to move? Not saying that's what happened, but it just strikes me as so odd that Brown refused to go to the sidewalk...such a simple thing to do.

 

[brunette8706]

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[Geoff_M]

If there's pot in his system it would indicate to me that he wasn't on some crazy drug that caused him super human strength and pain tolerance. I mean if it comes out he's on something hardcore like angel dust or bath salts then the idea that he randomly charged the cop and kept on coming after being shot, would make more sense.

Of course, but remind me again, what's the most common indication for the prescription of "medical marijuana"?

But again, Johnson's assertion was that Brown was standing and was functional enough to retain this motor and language skills after being shot twice in the torso, so do you consider this "normal" or "super human"?

For the record, I'm not imply that Brown might have been some sort of "dope fiend".