How does vandalism and looting accomplish anything???

[sunshinehighway]

Facts are unimportant to some folks...already made up their minds. It won't matter, if the incident is on tape. Divided we fall....

There actually might be some video of at least a portion of the shooting. I have read that at least one person recorded on a mobile phone and that is in the hands of those investigating.

 

[OurBigTrip]

And non of those people's witness accounts are the one I referenced.

I'm tend to believe the person with the most to lose lies the fastest.

Could be - in that case, what do you think these other witnesses have to lose if they don't back up the story that supports the narrative of Michael Brown's defenders?

They have eyes - they saw what was done to a convenience store simply because people *thought* it was the place where the theft took place and was reported.

 

[OurBigTrip]

Alarming and so very sad, because you can't engage them in a conversation about it because they don't see it as a bias or a problem.

It's amazing how many people, white, black and everything in between, resort to calling those with whom they disagree prejudiced based on nothing more than the disagreement.

 

[RadioNate]

There actually might be some video of at least a portion of the shooting. I have read that at least one person recorded on a mobile phone and that is in the hands of those investigating.

And that's the person who's account of the incident I referenced. Her statement was that Michael Brown didn't appear to be reaching into the car and never entered the car. She said it appeared the officer was pulling Brown toward the car and he was trying "push off" to get away.

 

[sunshinehighway]

Could be - in that case, what do you think these other witnesses have to lose if they don't back up the story that supports the narrative of Michael Brown's defenders?

They have eyes - they saw what was done to a convenience store simply because people *thought* it was the place where the theft took place and was reported.

But that's assuming their stories have changed since their original statements. At the time of the shooting they had no way of knowing what would be happening in the aftermath.

 

[Luvchefmic]

Originally Posted by RadioNate View Post
It is really alarming how many white middle class Americans are prejudiced and actually honestly believe that they aren't in any way.

Alarming and so very sad, because you can't engage them in a conversation about it because they don't see it as a bias or a problem.

I think that these statements go both ways for every " Archie Bunker " there is a Malcolm X

So sad as someone upthread said " Divided we Fall"

 

[OurBigTrip]

But that's assuming their stories have changed since their original statements. At the time of the shooting they had no way of knowing what would be happening in the aftermath.

Seriously? When hasn't it happened recently in the wake of a white officer shooting a black suspect?

 

[plumsiren]

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So your assertion is that the cop was "over-reacting?

According to witnesses, the cop fired a total of seven or eight shots - some of which came when Brown was either running away or on his knees - on an unarmed man whose only known crime was jaywalking. (The suggestion that Brown had actually lunged into the police car to try to grab the officer's gun sounds laughably unlikely.) I'd say that's the definition of overreacting.

Seriously? When hasn't it happened recently in the wake of a white officer shooting a black suspect?

I'm skeptical as to how many people commenting here are even aware of how common such incidents are.

 

[OurBigTrip]

According to witnesses, the cop fired a total of seven or eight shots - some of which came when Brown was either running away or on his knees - on an unarmed man whose only known crime was jaywalking. (The suggestion that Brown had actually lunged into the police car to try to grab the officer's gun sounds laughably unlikely.) I'd say that's the definition of overreacting.



I'm skeptical as to how many people commenting here are even aware of how common such incidents are.

I saw Michael Brown's cousin's dramatic re-enactment of his cousin's alleged stance this afternoon. If what he was showing is true, it should be apparent from the autopsy when the trajectory of the bullets is examined.

 

[RadioNate]

Seriously? When hasn't it happened recently in the wake of a white officer shooting a black suspect?

I genuinely believe you have no idea how prejudicial that sounds.

Luckily, I have somewhere to be in 10 minutes.

 

[sunshinehighway]

I saw Michael Brown's cousin's dramatic re-enactment of his cousin's alleged stance this afternoon. If what he was showing is true, it should be apparent from the autopsy when the trajectory of the bullets is examined.

That information is not going to be released.. Of course it will help investigators find out what happened.

 

[OurBigTrip]

I genuinely believe you have no idea how prejudicial that sounds.

The truth may hurt, but that doesn't make it prejudicial.

 

[OurBigTrip]

That information is not going to be released.. Of course it will help investigators find out what happened.

I agree, they won't release that information publicly until the investigation is complete. But whatever it shows, the witness version or the police version, it will be compelling.

 

[nugov2]

According to witnesses, the cop fired a total of seven or eight shots - some of which came when Brown was either running away or on his knees - on an unarmed man whose only known crime was jaywalking. (The suggestion that Brown had actually lunged into the police car to try to grab the officer's gun sounds laughably unlikely.) I'd say that's the definition of overreacting.

Nobody knows what happened to cause the officer to fire on him. Did he think he was being arrested for his crime and this caused him to assault the officer who then fired on him or was the officer in the wrong? Either way someone was killed and that is a tragedy, but it is clear this isn't the choir boy he was portrayed to be. That said, that doesn't mean his death may be unjustified. Sadly, I don't believe the officer or the witnesses at this point because in reality they all have their own agenda and will most likely say anything.

As far as the poster claiming there are more prejudice middle class white americans...I think there are just as many prejudice African Americans so that point is moot. Just like people are saying this boy was profiled so was the cop by the community. Is it justified in both cases...I don't know really, but each side has enough blame to share for this mess. The really tragedy is that while in general the world is a better place to live in...things like this go on and white and black both take these incidents to further their agenda most often destroying relations in the meantime. Very sad

 

[Viva Las Disney]

Nobody knows what happened to cause the officer to fire on him. Did he think he was being arrested for his crime and this caused him to assault the officer who then fired on him or was the officer in the wrong? Either way someone was killed and that is a tragedy, but it is clear this isn't the choir boy he was portrayed to be. That said, that doesn't mean his death may be unjustified. Sadly, I don't believe the officer or the witnesses at this point because in reality they all have their own agenda and will most likely say anything.

As far as the poster claiming there are more prejudice middle class white americans...I think there are just as many prejudice African Americans so that point is moot. Just like people are saying this boy was profiled so was the cop by the community. Is it justified in both cases...I don't know really, but each side has enough blame to share for this mess. The really tragedy is that while in general the world is a better place to live in...things like this go on and white and black both take these incidents to further their agenda most often destroying relations in the meantime. Very sad

This is the camp I fall into also, I don't know who to believe so I'm trying to piece together what happened from the few confirmed details.

I've read enough reports to believe that Michael Brown and the officer had some sort of struggle in or by the car, he was possibly shot during the struggle in the car, but that the shots that killed him were probably fired as he was running away, which is troubling. The problem is without knowing what happened in the car we don't have the whole story. IF the officer was assaulted and had his bell rung he could be in fear for his life or might not have been thinking clearly, IF Michael Brown just pulled away and ran it looks like the officer gunned down a kid out of anger. Two totally different conclusions based solely on whether and to what extent the officer was assaulted.

 

[OurBigTrip]

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IF the officer was assaulted and had his bell rung he could be in fear for his life or might not have been thinking clearly, IF Michael Brown just pulled away and ran it looks like the officer gunned down a kid out of anger. Two totally different conclusions based solely on whether and to what extent the officer was assaulted.

This - the investigation needs to go forward, and let the evidence lead where it will.

 

[Disneychick75]

Where's the proof he touched the cops gun?

Because the cop who killed him said so? Cops are above lying?

Where's the proof that he didn't touch the gun?

I can't believe how many people just accept whatever the cops say. Police can lie, especially to protect their own. Cops overreacting is sadly common, especially when it's a white cop and a non-white suspect.

Friends and family don't lie to protect their own?

It is really alarming how many white middle class Americans are prejudiced and actually honestly believe that they aren't in any way.

If anyone says they aren't prejudiced about anything in their lives, I'd bet they're lying. We all have beliefs that we'll defend and I'm not talking about race. As far as being racially prejudiced, I don't think that I am.

Waiting to see what all of the evidence shows in this case. If Wilson shot Brown unjustly, he should go to jail. If he shot with legitimate reason, then he was w/in his rights.

And non of those people's witness accounts are the one I referenced.

I'm tend to believe the person with the most to lose lies the fastest.

How do we know if anyone lied and if they did, how do we know who lied first?

 

[olwyngdh]

It's a strong arm robbery because when confronted he pushed the clerk to get out of the store, had he just grabbed the cigarettes and ran it would only have been shoplifting.

The difference between robbery and theft is always due to some form of physical confrontation.

Thank you. It didn't make sense to me at all.

 

[Disneychick75]

If anyone wants to see the footage of the convenience store robbery:
http://fox2now.com/2014/08/15/raw-v...show-michael-brown-robbing-convenience-store/

Yes, I know it's Fox but it's also the local station and the only one that had reliable (didn't break up or lose its signal) live stream of the protests over the last several nights.

 

[brunette8706]

And according to other witnesses that isn't the case.

Again, police don't ever lie to protect one another? You've never heard the term "Blue Code of Silence?" These terms don't get coined with zero basis.

And really your bias is transparent. "Thug" "Perp" blah blah blah….you don't see us calling the cops "pigs" etc.

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Biased? Action speak Louder than words maybe you didn't see (perpetrator) assault the clerk at Quick Trip.