How does vandalism and looting accomplish anything???

[OurBigTrip]

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Biased? Action speak Louder than words maybe you didn't see (perpetrator) assault the clerk at Quick Trip. Or maybe you did see the perpetrators rap sheet. No, biased on my part.

I don't know who runs that site, but it's pretty disgusting, IMO.

 

[brunette8706]

Police officers absolutely can lie - everyone can. But when I'm trying to decide whom to believe, I find it helpful to compare what I know about the parties involved. So what do we have?

Michael Brown's friend...a self-admitted thief.
Michael Brown...also a thief, and one that thought nothing of assaulting a clerk in order to steal $49 worth of cigarillos.
Darren Wilson...a police officer on the force for six years with a clean record.

So, unless/until evidence is produced that shows that the police officer is lying, I'm going to believe him. If that evidence is produced, and ballistics should provide it, I'll be the first one saying that he should be charged and tried accordingly.

As to the officer not knowing that Michael Brown was a suspect in the theft, Michael Brown didn't necessarily know that. If he was willing to assault someone to steal in the first place, I don't believe it is unreasonable to surmise that he might be willing to assault someone (the police officer) in order to keep from being arrested for the theft and previous assault.

Great post! I agree 100 percent.

 

[sunshinehighway]

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Biased? Action speak Louder than words maybe you didn't see (perpetrator) assault the clerk at Quick Trip. Or maybe you did see the perpetrators rap sheet. No, biased on my part.

Why would you post a link to a site like that? I can't believe anyone would think just some of the words on that site (never mind the ideas) alone are acceptable. I sincerely hope you are just stirring the pot and don't actually think that link is just fine and dandy.

 

[sunshinehighway]

I don't know who runs that site, but it's pretty disgusting, IMO.

Looks like we agree twice today.

 

[OurBigTrip]

Looks like we agree twice today.

Alert the press!!

 

[brunette8706]

I don't know who runs that site, but it's pretty disgusting, IMO.

You know what I agree! I just deleted it. I just went to the bottom of the page to see the rap sheet. My apolologies. Pretty disgusting.

 

[brunette8706]

Why would you post a link to a site like that? I can't believe anyone would think just some of the words on that site (never mind the ideas) alone are acceptable. I sincerely hope you are just stirring the pot and don't actually think that link is just fine and dandy.

I too agree. Garbage. I deleted it. I should have read the link and didn't.

 

[CPT Tripss]

I too agree. Garbage. I deleted it. I should have read the link and didn't.

What waters do you troll in to come up with a site like that?

 

[Disneychick75]

What waters do you troll in to come up with a site like that?

That site came up for me when I "trolled" Google, however, I read down and saw some of the stuff posted and found another site with the same information.

 

[brunette8706]

What waters do you troll in to come up with a site like that?

Google. So dumb on my part. I didn't even read the link. My apologies.

 

[Geoff_M]

And non of those people's witness accounts are the one I referenced.

I'm tend to believe the person with the most to lose lies the fastest.

Interesting, then the default position that you should assume is that every criminal defendant is likely a liar. "Let's see... The Prosecution says the Defendant did it, and the Defendant says he didn't. They both can't be right, the Defendant has the most to lose, therefore he's the one that's probably lying.... Guilty!" If I ever found myself facing a jury, I'd be sure to ask my lawyer to ask potential jurors if they held your belief during the voir dire procedure.

I also find it ironic that the people that are so taken aback at people that "take the word of the police" without any other evidence are often themselves equally as quick to accept the words of others in the media and repeat what they say they saw as proven "facts". I would suggest the better approach would be to discount what everyone says until those statements can be compared with the physical forensic evidence to see what it corroborates and the final FBI investigation reports are completed. I find it mind-boggling that so many people can "know" what happened with any level of certainty when so little of the information about the events has been compiled, analyst, and released. Everything at this point is still very preliminary.

 

[sunshinehighway]

That site came up for me when I "trolled" Google, however, I read down and saw some of the stuff posted and found another site with the same information.

Another site? Interesting. Are you saying you found his criminal record? That'd be strange since police or prosecutors office (can't remember which) have said he had no record (including misdemeanors). At least as far as I know they have.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/michael-brown-no-record/14041457/

His name must be rather common and as we all just learned some sites just spew hate. The other sites you found are likely using the same source for that information.
Of course that doesn't mean he didn't have a juvenile record. He could have but the adult criminal record stuff appears to be false.

 

[Disneychick75]

Another site? Interesting. Are you saying you found his criminal record? That'd be strange since police or prosecutors office (can't remember which) have said he had no record (including misdemeanors). At least as far as I know they have.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/michael-brown-no-record/14041457/

His name must be rather common and as we all just learned some sites just spew hate. The other sites you found are likely using the same source for that information.
Of course that doesn't mean he didn't have a juvenile record. He could have but the adult criminal record stuff appears to be false.

Did I say that I was looking for a criminal record? It was when I was looking for the convenience store video. I looked through the site and saw the page with his record. I thought that it was bogus because I believe he would have been a juvenile at the time and juvenile records are not available to the public. There were vicious slurs and curse words all over the place so I kept trolling Google.
I also saw the video on youtube. Again, there were very ugly comments and I didn't post that link either.
My name: Disneychick75
My rank: wife and mother
My serial number: 1234567
Now, you know all my secrets.

 

[Planogirl]

It's interesting how some of those commenting that it makes no sense to just take the word of the police officer are (or were) ready to immediately assume that he did something wrong. If you're going to give someone the benefit of the doubt then it's a good idea to apply this to both parties until the truth comes out.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

According to witnesses, the cop fired a total of seven or eight shots - some of which came when Brown was either running away or on his knees - on an unarmed man whose only known crime was jaywalking. (The suggestion that Brown had actually lunged into the police car to try to grab the officer's gun sounds laughably unlikely.) I'd say that's the definition of overreacting.

Didn't these same witnesses claim to have seen a struggle at the car? If so, the officer was most certainly reacting to something a LOT more serious than jaywalking.


Did the cop OVER-react? It's quite possible - it's quite possible he overreacted in a BIG way. But, let's not get ridiculous & claim this was over jaywalking.

 

[Disneychick75]

I found a radio interview dated today with a woman who claims she is a friend of Wilson and his significant other. Her name is Josie and she tells Wilson's side of the story. In one part she says that when Wilson first stopped Brown and Johnson he was unaware of the robbery. He told them to get out of the middle of the street and drove on. Then after driving a bit (short distance) he heard about the strong arm robbery and description of the suspect on his police radio. One of the guys he had just told to get off the road matched the suspect's description. There's more.
You can listen to it here:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/WzBdY6WXeRE
The radio logo takes up the whole of my laptop screen and there was no room for comments. That is why I am posting the link.

 

[OurBigTrip]

For all of the claims that it was the Ferguson police that caused the rioting early on, there was more violence and looting last night. This in spite of the fact that Johnson, the state trooper in charge, was exhibiting "the kinder, gentler" police strategy of marching with the protesters the day before.

 

[The Mystery Machine]

Didn't these same witnesses claim to have seen a struggle at the car? If so, the officer was most certainly reacting to something a LOT more serious than jaywalking.


Did the cop OVER-react? It's quite possible - it's quite possible he overreacted in a BIG way. But, let's not get ridiculous & claim this was over jaywalking.

You think?

Why the police chief would come out and say that is beyond stupidity.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

For all of the claims that it was the Ferguson police that caused the rioting early on, there was more violence and looting last night. This in spite of the fact that Johnson, the state trooper in charge, was exhibiting "the kinder, gentler" police strategy of marching with the protesters the day before.

Honestly?
I expected nothing less once a name was released.

And, of course, the quick mart that dared report a crime (allegedly) committed by the deceased had to pay the consequences of that.


But--to be fair--I *think* they began to get riot gear and protestors came to shoo looters and the police put the gear away. So whomever is doing the looting and Molotov cocktail tossing is not welcome by the community at large. (Don't recall what article I read this morning.)

 

[OurBigTrip]

Honestly?
I expected nothing less once a name was released.

And, of course, the quick mart that dared report a crime (allegedly) committed by the deceased had to pay the consequences of that.


But--to be fair--I *think* they began to get riot gear and protestors came to shoo looters and the police put the gear away. So whomever is doing the looting and Molotov cocktail tossing is not welcome by the community at large. (Don't recall what article I read this morning.)

Ferguson is going to be in turmoil for awhile, because while the protesters claim to want "justice", what they want is revenge.

I want all of the truth to come out, and let the chips fall where they may. But I have no doubt whatsoever that if the police officer isn't brought up on charges, or if he is charged and acquitted, that town will burn.

And the police should stand by and let it.