How does vandalism and looting accomplish anything???

[lustergirl]

That is a very broad generalization.

Sadly it is the truth. And this is coming from a white person

 

[lustergirl]

Here's a thought...... teach them NOT to be in a situation that would need police presence. At least where I live and grew up, there was no difference in the way police treated you. Black, white, red, blue or green. If you were in a compromising situation, you were detained and asked who, what, why where and how. I learned this the hard way, ONCE! After that, I knew better to be in certain areas or when things would happen..... knowing. "this can't end good" was enough for me to know I shouldn't be there.

Is there racial problems in this country? You better believe it. And who are the ones to play that race card at the drop of a hat? Why is it we typically only hear about the white cop shooting the black kid or the white gunman shooting the black kid/person? Why do we never hear it the other way around? Or even about the Asian shooter...... because its organizations like the NAACP that over play the race card.

Oh please. A young african american male can be walking down the street minding their own business doing nothing and still be targeted by the police as being suspicious.

 

[TinkerBelled]

If any US citizen wants to move to an African nation there is nothing holding them back. If it's so bad here, move there.

Oh, for heaven's sake. Just because someone is frustrated by structural problems and institutionalized racism doesn't mean they're unAmerican. In fact, working towards a more equitable society is about as American as you can be.

And telling black people that if they don't like racism they should go back to Africa is, well, pretty outrageous. (Somehow I don't imagine that this comes from a thoughtful, Garveyist point of view...)

 

[lustergirl]

Oh, for heaven's sake. Just because someone is frustrated by structural problems and institutionalized racism doesn't mean they're unAmerican. In fact, working towards a more equitable society is about as American as you can be.

And telling black people that if they don't like racism they should go back to Africa is, well, pretty outrageous. (Somehow I don't imagine that this comes from a thoughtful, Garveyist point of view...)

Outrageous comes from an outrageous poster

 

[TAX GUY]

Oh please. So a young african american male can be walking down the street minding their own business doing nothing and still be targeted by the police as being suspicious.

Yup..... so can a young Hispanic male, a young Asian male, a young martian male. Its not just a black thing. At the same time, any one of these fine young men CAN simply walk the street and not be profiled or even talked to. Its all in the circumstances.

 

[lustergirl]

Yup..... so can a young Hispanic male, a young Asian male, a young martian male. Its not just a black thing. At the same time, any one of these fine young men CAN simply walk the street and not be profiled or even talked to. Its all in the circumstances.

You are absolutely right. But there is a higher percentage of the young black males experiencing this. And what circumstances are you speaking of? I have not read the whole story of this development but plan on reading it later on. I am law enforcement and am involved in City Policing and the troubles of our city police so have inside knowledge of what goes in policing.

 

[aaarcher86]

Not a thing has change since 1619 when the first African slaves were brought here. We are still a disposable people.

Not a single thing? Really? I'm sure we can all think of at least one or two things.

 

[Peachkins]

I am absolutely dumbfounded that anyone can defend what these looters did. I don't care what your race or background is, it is not right to break into places- that, by the way and as far as I know, are in no way associated with what happened- and loot and destroy them.

 

[mom2rtk]

I am absolutely dumbfounded that anyone can defend what these looters did. I don't care what your race or background is, it is not right to break into places- that, by the way and as far as I know, are in no way associated with what happened- and loot and destroy them.

I'm not.

Not since reading that thread a while back about the people who dragged that man out of his truck and beat him within an inch of his life.

 

[luvsJack]

I am absolutely dumbfounded that anyone can defend what these looters did. I don't care what your race or background is, it is not right to break into places- that, by the way and as far as I know, are in no way associated with what happened- and loot and destroy them.

Well, I for one am not defending them in any way. I am saying that anyone that has not walked in their lives cannot know how frustrated and angry they are. And I am saying that police DO profile and DO harass young black men more than any other in some areas.

What these looters are doing is horrendous. And its not going to help anything.

 

[Peachkins]

I'm not.

Not since reading that thread a while back about the people who dragged that man out of his truck and beat him within an inch of his life.

You're right. I really shouldn't be surprised.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

You are absolutely right. But there is a higher percentage of the young black males experiencing this. And what circumstances are you speaking of? I have not read the whole story of this development but plan on reading it later on. I am law enforcement and am involved in City Policing and the troubles of our city police so have inside knowledge of what goes in policing.

Young, black, male is the trifecta of profiling.

Young more likely to commit crimes than old
Black more likely than white
Male more likely than female

I don't know how you alter the mindset though.

 

[EMAW_KSU]

I'm not.

Not since reading that thread a while back about the people who dragged that man out of his truck and beat him within an inch of his life.

And the person that thought Steve Utash got what he deserved hasn't posted in this thread yet.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Well, I for one am not defending them in any way. I am saying that anyone that has not walked in their lives cannot know how frustrated and angry they are. And I am saying that police DO profile and DO harass young black men more than any other in some areas.

What these looters are doing is horrendous. And its not going to help anything.

All it will do is make the police come down that much harder.

 

[Jedana]

Well, I for one am not defending them in any way. I am saying that anyone that has not walked in their lives cannot know how frustrated and angry they are. And I am saying that police DO profile and DO harass young black men more than any other in some areas.

What these looters are doing is horrendous. And its not going to help anything.

I have to agree with these statements.

Looting doesn't help anything--just makes people who aren't involved in that mess angry, and it ruins some people's livelihoods. Those people who worked at the QT aren't going to be seeing a paycheck in 2 weeks, because they have no place to work.

Whether or not the officer was in the wrong, a young man lost his life. That community should be coming together and grieving over the loss of a young life, not stealing 2 buck chuck and slim jims. The community should be holding meetings with their youth, talking to them about how to handle themselves should a police officer come up to them (hands out where the officer can see them, no sudden moves, no sassy mouth, just yes sir or no sir). They should be working with the police to make the community safe for everyone.

It's a vicious circle that these communities are in. Maybe if the community would step up and say "HEY, knock your crud off." "This isn't how to handle things." "We aren't going to allow the drug dealing (or prostitution or gangs or what ever else) here." But they don't. They continue down the spiral into hatred and anger, and teach it to the next generation. They don't put emphasis into learning and bettering yourself or your neighborhood.

The police can only do so much. And I imagine they get quite frustrated and angry dealing with the situations they are in as well. I'm not agreeing at all with the officer shooting an unarmed young man in the back--he could have ran after him, used his taser or just let the man go and caught up to him at a later date. I'm just saying I do understand that the anger and frustration go both ways--and it just keeps circling.

 

[mom2rtk]

I have to agree with these statements.

Looting doesn't help anything--just makes people who aren't involved in that mess angry, and it ruins some people's livelihoods. Those people who worked at the QT aren't going to be seeing a paycheck in 2 weeks, because they have no place to work.

Whether or not the officer was in the wrong, a young man lost his life. That community should be coming together and grieving over the loss of a young life, not stealing 2 buck chuck and slim jims. The community should be holding meetings with their youth, talking to them about how to handle themselves should a police officer come up to them (hands out where the officer can see them, no sudden moves, no sassy mouth, just yes sir or no sir). They should be working with the police to make the community safe for everyone.

It's a vicious circle that these communities are in. Maybe if the community would step up and say "HEY, knock your crud off." "This isn't how to handle things." "We aren't going to allow the drug dealing (or prostitution or gangs or what ever else) here." But they don't. They continue down the spiral into hatred and anger, and teach it to the next generation. They don't put emphasis into learning and bettering yourself or your neighborhood.

The police can only do so much. And I imagine they get quite frustrated and angry dealing with the situations they are in as well. I'm not agreeing at all with the officer shooting an unarmed young man in the back--he could have ran after him, used his taser or just let the man go and caught up to him at a later date. I'm just saying I do understand that the anger and frustration go both ways--and it just keeps circling.

Such a reasonable post apparently has no place in this thread.

 

[lustergirl]

I have to agree with these statements.

Looting doesn't help anything--just makes people who aren't involved in that mess angry, and it ruins some people's livelihoods. Those people who worked at the QT aren't going to be seeing a paycheck in 2 weeks, because they have no place to work.

Whether or not the officer was in the wrong, a young man lost his life. That community should be coming together and grieving over the loss of a young life, not stealing 2 buck chuck and slim jims. The community should be holding meetings with their youth, talking to them about how to handle themselves should a police officer come up to them (hands out where the officer can see them, no sudden moves, no sassy mouth, just yes sir or no sir). They should be working with the police to make the community safe for everyone.

It's a vicious circle that these communities are in. Maybe if the community would step up and say "HEY, knock your crud off." "This isn't how to handle things." "We aren't going to allow the drug dealing (or prostitution or gangs or what ever else) here." But they don't. They continue down the spiral into hatred and anger, and teach it to the next generation. They don't put emphasis into learning and bettering yourself or your neighborhood.

The police can only do so much. And I imagine they get quite frustrated and angry dealing with the situations they are in as well. I'm not agreeing at all with the officer shooting an unarmed young man in the back--he could have ran after him, used his taser or just let the man go and caught up to him at a later date. I'm just saying I do understand that the anger and frustration go both ways--and it just keeps circling.

Oh I am sure there are plenty of young black men that are taught how to "behave" when in the presence of police. And for the rest of your post: stereotype much? There are plenty of people here in Buffalo, especially the white people, who are involved in drug dealing and prostitution. Only when it comes times for sentencing after they are arrested they are less likely to receive a harsher sentence than a young black male. Think our criminal justice system isn't racially biased? Think again.

 

[Patch'sD]

Another tragic incident where a young life was waisted. However there are still two sides to this story and we have to see what unfolds. Yet the police are being tried here as they are in the Eric Gardner case. Gardner was selling cigarettes illegaly and resting arrest. No one wants to mention about the New Jersery Police officer that was assassinated last month. One Poster here would want you to believe that the 900,000 Police Officers in the United States are out to shoot and kill black Youths. Maybe Folks like Al Sharpton shoud be looking to raise up the black family rather than knock everyone else down.

In NYC where "Stop and Frisk" was curtailed as to not upset folks like Al Sharpton, Shootings are up 13% for the year and were up 43% in June alone. The police went after the guns in High Crime areas, which were minority areas. You Police where the crime is.

 

[lustergirl]

Young, black, male is the trifecta of profiling.

Young more likely to commit crimes than old
Black more likely than white
Male more likely than female

I don't know how you alter the mindset though.

You alter the mindset by giving the same opportunities for all regardless of the color of your skin. People living in poverty, again regardless of the color of their skin, are more prone to commit crimes. In our city there is such hope for our downtown reconstruction as there is a lot happening. But if you were to travel down one of the many side streets you will run into poverty very quickly. The politicians in our city have turned their backs on people living in poverty. There is not enough done to lower the crime rates here in Buffalo and this has become acceptable to many. To me it is disgusting.

 

[lustergirl]

Another tragic incident where a young life was waisted. However there are still two sides to this story and we have to see what unfolds. Yet the police are being tried here as they are in the Eric Gardner case. Gardner was selling cigarettes illegaly and resting arrest. No one wants to mention about the New Jersery Police officer that was assassinated last month. One Poster here would want you to believe that the 900,000 Police Officers in the United States are out to shoot and kill black Youths. Maybe Folks like Al Sharpton shoud be looking to raise up the black family rather than knock everyone else down.

In NYC where "Stop and Frisk" was curtailed as to not upset folks like Al Sharpton, Shootings are up 13% for the year and were up 43% in June alone. The police went after the guns in High Crime areas, which were minority areas. You Police where the crime is.

Stop and Frisk was one classic example of racial profiling at its best in the New York City. Here in the Buffalo the answer is have to a gun buyback program where people turn in guns for a small amount of money. This is our mayor's brilliant idea of how cut the crime rates down. What a crock of bologna. Once again even the Mayor, who is a black man, makes himself look good on paper and in the limelight of a camera and thinks this is the answer.

An article from the NYC Civil Liberties Union on their website:

•In 2002, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 97,296 times.
80,176 were totally innocent (82 percent).
•In 2003, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 160,851 times.
140,442 were totally innocent (87 percent).
77,704 were black (54 percent).
44,581 were Latino (31 percent).
17,623 were white (12 percent).
83,499 were aged 14-24 (55 percent).
•In 2004, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 313,523 times.
278,933 were totally innocent (89 percent).
155,033 were black (55 percent).
89,937 were Latino (32 percent).
28,913 were white (10 percent).
152,196 were aged 14-24 (52 percent).
•In 2005, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 398,191 times.
352,348 were totally innocent (89 percent).
196,570 were black (54 percent).
115,088 were Latino (32 percent).
40,713 were white (11 percent).
189,854 were aged 14-24 (51 percent).
•In 2006, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 506,491 times.
457,163 were totally innocent (90 percent).
267,468 were black (53 percent).
147,862 were Latino (29 percent).
53,500 were white (11 percent).
247,691 were aged 14-24 (50 percent).
•In 2007, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 472,096 times.
410,936 were totally innocent (87 percent).
243,766 were black (54 percent).
141,868 were Latino (31 percent).
52,887 were white (12 percent).
223,783 were aged 14-24 (48 percent).
•In 2008, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 540,302 times.
474,387 were totally innocent (88 percent).
275,588 were black (53 percent).
168,475 were Latino (32 percent).
57,650 were white (11 percent).
263,408 were aged 14-24 (49 percent).
•In 2009, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 581,168 times.
510,742 were totally innocent (88 percent).
310,611 were black (55 percent).
180,055 were Latino (32 percent).
53,601 were white (10 percent).
289,602 were aged 14-24 (50 percent).
•In 2010, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 601,285 times.
518,849 were totally innocent (86 percent).
315,083 were black (54 percent).
189,326 were Latino (33 percent).
54,810 were white (9 percent).
295,902 were aged 14-24 (49 percent).
•In 2011, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 685,724 times.
605,328 were totally innocent (88 percent).
350,743 were black (53 percent).
223,740 were Latino (34 percent).
61,805 were white (9 percent).
341,581 were aged 14-24 (51 percent).
•In 2012, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 532,911 times
473,644 were totally innocent (89 percent).
284,229 were black (55 percent).
165,140 were Latino (32 percent).
50,366 were white (10 percent).
•In 2013, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 191,558 times.
169,252 were totally innocent (88 percent).
104,958 were black (56 percent).
55,191 were Latino (29 percent).
20,877 were white (11 percent).
•In the first quarter of 2014, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 14,261 times.
11,573 were totally innocent (81 percent).
7,535 were black (54 percent).
4,013 were Latino (29 percent).
1,694 were white (12 percent).