Albort
ODV Crew
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- Oct 9, 2006
China.
And Diana Sawyer will go there to investigate.
naw, give it to Japan... maybe they can create HD Twinkies.
China.
And Diana Sawyer will go there to investigate.
I just had an amusing mental image of the Chinese eating Twinkies and making our Olympic Ceremony uniforms.China.
And Diana Sawyer will go there to investigate.
You're talking consulting type work. I'm talking laborers. If someone shows up the machine shop every day to work the same hours doing the same job, should he be an independent contractor?
Again, if someone feels the company they work for treats them like dirt, they are free to leave that company, are they not?
China.
And Diana Sawyer will go there to investigate.
Let's be fair. Everyone is "greedy" because everyone wants to make money. Now, in this specific situation, Hostess told the Union workers that they (Hostess) could no longer contribute 2% towards their (the union) retirement and that the union would need to pick up that tab. They told the union that if they (Hostess) continued to contribute that amount, it would put them out of business. The union refused to budge and now EVERYONE is out of a job. In this specific situation, it sounds like the union was greedy and uncaring.
You statement said, "Independent contractors are just an excuse for a business to not pay insurance or social security on an employee." When others show that your statement is not true you just reinvent what you said.
Many laborers in construction, for example, are independent contractors. It has been like that for as long as I can remember.
All the independent contractors I know go to the same place every day, work the same hours and do the same job every day. Some have been at the same place for over a decade. Independent contractors go back over a century. They are not a new invention.
For you, the glass is always half empty.
Have they or will the employees lose their pension balances? I assume they had a cash value of their existing pensions.
Have they or will the employees lose their pension balances? I assume they had a cash value of their existing pensions.
So an employee with a high school education chooses to work as an independent contractor? I don't think so. My state just kept Linda McMahon from becoming a senator and one of the biggest gripes was that her wrestlers in the WWE were paid as independent contractors even though it's a physically taxing job.
As for the companies that did leave, they probably had no intention of staying. They were just trying to put the onus on someone else and some people still fall for that.
And go where, exactly?
Not just talking to you, luvmy3 but I see this so many times in these types of threads. "If you don't like the working conditions, find another job". There are no other jobs.
I don't think it's quite that simple. I think it gave the hedge funds an excuse to liquidate the company without looking like the bad guys. The end game was always liquidation.
I don't either. More power to people who do well for themselves; however, I do agree with the other posters that say some go to far. As stated above, many corporations do get huge "local" tax breaks and incentives to hire workers as well as all sorts of other write offs. I do believe that employers who have a thriving business owe just a tad bit more to an employee than a "just a job." It's fine that we can say the Hostess workers were low-skilled, low income folks or that folks in these types of jobs don't deserve much. That's also a bit of a misconception. Working in a plant, food line, assembly line, almost always takes some sort of skills/smarts to run the equipment, troubleshoot the equipment, and just be safe on the equipment.
Corporations have been "lucky" in this economy that people are far more desparate and are willing to work jobs that don't pay for their skill sets. I think the economic downturn, coupled with the lack of worker protections, have made employees easy prey for greedy corporations. I think you can be rich AND have a conscience.
I don't either. More power to people who do well for themselves; however, I do agree with the other posters that say some go to far. As stated above, many corporations do get huge "local" tax breaks and incentives to hire workers as well as all sorts of other write offs. I do believe that employers who have a thriving business owe just a tad bit more to an employee than a "just a job." It's fine that we can say the Hostess workers were low-skilled, low income folks or that folks in these types of jobs don't deserve much. That's also a bit of a misconception. Working in a plant, food line, assembly line, almost always takes some sort of skills/smarts to run the equipment, troubleshoot the equipment, and just be safe on the equipment.
Corporations have been "lucky" in this economy that people are far more desparate and are willing to work jobs that don't pay for their skill sets. I think the economic downturn, coupled with the lack of worker protections, have made employees easy prey for greedy corporations. I think you can be rich AND have a conscience.
And go where, exactly?
Not just talking to you, luvmy3 but I see this so many times in these types of threads. "If you don't like the working conditions, find another job". There are no other jobs.
No, I'd say it's half full because I believe people can be good and do the right thing. You, on the hand, seem to think it's natural for people to be devious and uncaring. So I'd say you're the one who is a little pessimistic.