Horrible Disney news.....

[bsusanmb]

I am very disheartened by the judgemental statements made in this discussion. I have no idea what the facts really are, and it really is none of my business.
What is offensive to me is that anyone in this day and age believes that a victim of rape could have avoided it, or have been smarter. Rape is a violent crime, not a sexual act. Victims suffer from PTSD,and their lives are never the same. There are not levels of rape.
Falsely accusing anyone of any crime is a terrible thing. But to take this story and take sides, or to "what if" is brutal to me. Let those who are the experts deal with this case.
My heart breaks for anyone who is sexually violated, female or male.
I recently posted a prayer request for my DD. Like any mother, I adored her, dreamed great dreams for her, taught her right from wrong, raised her to respect others and herself, set an example for her to follow to the best of my ability, and loved her with all my heart and soul. She was a sweet, quiet, pretty little girl, and no one could have predicted what happened to her. Until you are in the situation, you can't begin to say how you would deal with it, or what someone should have done etc. My DD became involved with drugs. This culture is so foreign to DH and I. After a few years of doing everything we could, trying everything to help her, including tough love, a 50 year old drug dealer preyed upon my 21 year old DD. You can read the rest of the story on the prayer request board. I found out two days ago that this evil man took my DD to Phila, owed money to drug dealers, and to get even, they held a gun to his head, and one by one raped my DD. As a mother, it devastated me to think of the suffering, the pain, the agony that my DD has gone through. How will she ever be able to go on living after all she has been through. Were we good parents? Yes. Did we love her enough? Yes. No one can predict what paths their children will take. I know that some of you will judge my DD, and say she got what she asked for, etc. No one deserves to be raped. No one deserves to be taken advantage of, or preyed upon.

 

[L107ANGEL]

I am very disheartened by the judgemental statements made in this discussion. I have no idea what the facts really are, and it really is none of my business.
What is offensive to me is that anyone in this day and age believes that a victim of rape could have avoided it, or have been smarter. Rape is a violent crime, not a sexual act. Victims suffer from PTSD,and their lives are never the same. There are not levels of rape.
Falsely accusing anyone of any crime is a terrible thing. But to take this story and take sides, or to "what if" is brutal to me. Let those who are the experts deal with this case.
My heart breaks for anyone who is sexually violated, female or male.
I recently posted a prayer request for my DD. Like any mother, I adored her, dreamed great dreams for her, taught her right from wrong, raised her to respect others and herself, set an example for her to follow to the best of my ability, and loved her with all my heart and soul. She was a sweet, quiet, pretty little girl, and no one could have predicted what happened to her. Until you are in the situation, you can't begin to say how you would deal with it, or what someone should have done etc. My DD became involved with drugs. This culture is so foreign to DH and I. After a few years of doing everything we could, trying everything to help her, including tough love, a 50 year old drug dealer preyed upon my 21 year old DD. You can read the rest of the story on the prayer request board. I found out two days ago that this evil man took my DD to Phila, owed money to drug dealers, and to get even, they held a gun to his head, and one by one raped my DD. As a mother, it devastated me to think of the suffering, the pain, the agony that my DD has gone through. How will she ever be able to go on living after all she has been through. Were we good parents? Yes. Did we love her enough? Yes. No one can predict what paths their children will take. I know that some of you will judge my DD, and say she got what she asked for, etc. No one deserves to be raped. No one deserves to be taken advantage of, or preyed upon.

OMG! I know your pain I agree this has taken a life of its own

 

[corie161]

I hesitate to even get involved in this conversation, but here goes...So far in reading the threads I don't think anyone as specifically said someone 'deserves' to be raped. The only thing I specifically saw mentioned was that they believe there are different levels of rape as there are murder or the like. Just because someone was in the wrong situation doesn't mean they 'deserved' to get murdered either, whether it was a surprised brutal attack or a back alley brawl. Both would be different situations and charged differently.

 

[momof2inPA]

I am removing my comments bc it caused too much controversy...Most women should know by now what rape is and if you don't I hope you are never put in a date rape situation (or violent of course) bc your opinions I am sure would change drastically.

How do you know who has or hasn't been in that type of situation? Do you think that all women who have been date raped are psychologically traumatized forever?

 

[momof2inPA]

I am very disheartened by the judgemental statements made in this discussion. I have no idea what the facts really are, and it really is none of my business.
What is offensive to me is that anyone in this day and age believes that a victim of rape could have avoided it, or have been smarter. Rape is a violent crime, not a sexual act. Victims suffer from PTSD,and their lives are never the same. There are not levels of rape.

I read your horrible story. If I had made the choices your daughter has made and been subject to the rape your daughter was, I would be traumatized forever. No one deserves to be raped, not even someone involved in drugs and prostitution. That's not what anyone is saying. I hope you find her. Your story sounds like the movie "Traffic."

 

[d4est]

How do you know who has or hasn't been in that type of situation? Do you think that all women who have been date raped are psychologically traumatized forever?

Your last sentence has confused me (not hard to do, lol). Are you saying that not all women who have been a victim of date rape are psychologically traumatized? Am I reading it wrong? Just asking. Not trying to start another arguement. Really, I promise!

 

[momof2inPA]

Your last sentence has confused me (not hard to do, lol). Are you saying that not all women who have been a victim of date rape are psychologically traumatized? Am I reading it wrong? Just asking. Not trying to start another arguement. Really, I promise!

I'm not saying they aren't hurt, upset, etc. I am 100% sure not everyone has PTSD and lets it effect the rest of their lives. Probably everyone who is dragged down an alley and raped is severely traumatized.

 

[d4est]

Thanks for the explanation! Sorry I didn't "get it" at first.

Not sure I would 100% agree with you. I think that some people have better coping skills & can move on, but IMO they will never forget & it will affect them forever, to varying degrees. (ie, trust issues, relationship issues, sexuality issues...etc) Not sure if you would call it PTSD, but I think it would still be something they carry with them forever.

Just my take...

 

[bsusanmb]

PTSD is just that - it is stress that has been caused by any traumatic action, spousal abuse, witnessing a murder, anything. PTSD can be manifested in many ways. It does not mean that you are insane. Many people suffer panic attacks long after the event and don't even realize that the original incident has an effect on the subconscious. I would venture to say that there are many personal beliefs within one's life that determine how one will recover from this pain. We all view the world differently, and have different values and mores.

I am not here to judge anyone. I would never do that. I do know that as a mother, I would have put myself in my daughter's place rather than have her suffer. I pray she is found, and that God gives me the grace to be a comfort and support, and gives her the strength to survive.

 

[Ona]

I, like others, am deeply saddened that so many of the DIS family have been affected by such a horrid thing.

I lived in the Commons for over a year in 2003 - 2004. While the complex is not actually run by Disney itself, there are Disney offices located inside and of course, all the residents are Cast Members; the majority being participants of the WDW International Program. The majority of residents of the Commons are not students. They range in age from 18 to 30+.

I don't want this to sound xenophobic, but some of the international guys were very forward

While I won't deny that all three properties (the Commons, Vista Way & Chatham Square) are worthy of their reputations in regards to partying, I must admit, I find this comment strangely irrelevant. Especially considering the only nationalities involved in this particular incident are French and Norwegian.

The Commons is safe. Anyone who has family members embarking on dreams as CMs as CPs, ICPs or IPs should not be at all concerned. I never felt any less than 120% safe and secure in the Commons and WDW. And from speaking to current residents of the Commons, nothing has changed since my time there. And it is definately far safer than the majority of places outside the "Disney Bubble".

I too, am joining the 'wait and see' crowd. There are other reports contradicting those in the media. All I know is that I was not there, so I cannot yet make any kind of fully informed opinion on the subject. We know the media is subjective; especially in regards to stories which portray Disney in a negative light. But equally, we know we (i.e. WDW fans in general) can be subjective in the opposite sense.

If it happened, I feel for the girl. I can't even begin to imagine what she must be going through. If it did not, I feel for the guys. Their names will be known. The Commons grapevine is very fast growing.

 

[mom2of2]

According to the news last night there was no rape. Evidently one of the men had a video camera and taped the whole thing. She was not grabbed off the street/sidewalk whatever but was a willing participant. There will be no charges filed.

http://www.wesh.com/news/7630418/detail.html

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

According to the news last night there was no rape. Evidently one of the men had a video camera and taped the whole thing. She was not grabbed off the street/sidewalk whatever but was a willing participant. There will be no charges filed.

http://www.wesh.com/news/7630418/detail.html

Well disgusting they taped ....conversely kind of smart since it proved their case.

Wow.

 

[damo]

I would think that these are not the kind of people Disney would like for CM's. I wouldn't be surprised if they all go home.

 

[d4est]

Amazing.

One has to wonder why she decided to lie. I wonder if more of the story will come out.

 

[minkydog]

Sad to say, but I figured there was more to this.

 

[cardaway]

According to the news last night there was no rape. Evidently one of the men had a video camera and taped the whole thing. She was not grabbed off the street/sidewalk whatever but was a willing participant. There will be no charges filed.

http://www.wesh.com/news/7630418/detail.html

Good for them.

Time to switch to how sad it would be if your boys were falsely accused of rape.

 

[BelleMcNally]

Good for them.

Time to switch to how sad it would be if your boys were falsely accused of rape.

Or how sad it is that it is 100x harder for a victim to have any credibility in court because people assume that they must be lying because others before them have.

(And, of course, a false accusation is terrible for the accused as well.)

 

[cleo]

That's why the 'wait and see' attitude is so crucial, IMO. The woman deserves all the support in the world, all the compassion in the world, as things are being sorted out. But if she's proven to have lied, I think she's the one who should have charges brought against her for false accusation. In this case, it could be PROVEN she lied, and that makes all the difference to me.

Investigators tell women who want to press charges just exactly how hard it will be, because of women like the one in this case. She has set women in this country back, doing us an enormous disservice (to put it kindly). For shame!

 

[Miss Jasmine]

Or how sad it is that it is 100x harder for a victim to have any credibility in court because people assume that they must be lying because others before them have.

(And, of course, a false accusation is terrible for the accused as well.)

I agree.

I was waiting and seeing,I never posted one way or the other on the newstory. I simply supplied information.

Women who lie are hurting other women who have suffered this act. This is what causes the Victim to be treated as the Suspect in these matters.

 

[MsLeFever]

but I know on my upcoming trip, I'm going to be looking at the men working at the World Showcase and wondering which one of them could have raped a co-worker.

Disney won't let workers with sunburns be out in the public eye. I highly doubt that these men (however this story pans out) will be working anywhere at Disney ever again.