Homeschooling Debate

chrissyk said:
I can see your point, but I have to disagree with this part of it. I went to a private, independent school for all of my pre-college education. In grades 6-8, I was bullied by what I can only term pre-teen animals. with the experience.

That's why I said that there are certain cases when homeschooling, while isn't ideal, is necessary.

I would homeschool for these reasons:

If the school system is just beyond repair
If the child has learning disabilities that the school is not equipped to handle properly
If the child is being bullied and the school system is not protecting him.
 
We are just beginning our forth year of homeschooling. Let me say that the school district that we live in is a very good one and we loved the teachers at the school. Our issue began when our son couldn't get the one-on-one attention that he needed. We fully understood that the teachers couldn't give him that and so we chose to begin homeschooling. We didn't take the decision lightly, in fact, there were many sleepless nights worrying and praying. We did listen to what we felt God was leading us to do and that was to give up our second income for me to stay at home for our son. We left our daughter in PS for about six weeks because I just didn't feel like I could bring them both home at the same time. Our daughter was in the advanced classes, etc. Our son has CAPD issues along with some fine and gross motor skill problems. When we pulled our son he had just finished 1st grade and still couldn't read one word on his own. By the end of our first year of homeschooling he was reading and is now reading chapter books.

We are very active in our Co-Op, going on field trips, Scouts, Church, music, etc. I do not in any way feel that we are depriving our children and we feel we are giving them a great learning experience. Our children not only know how to talk with children their own age, they are very good at talking with people of all ages.

Just had to put in our experience and wishing all homeschoolers a wonderful school year!
 
I very rarely agree with parents choice to homeschool their children. I have known a few families that have lived in districts where the elementary schools had metal detectors at the doors, no, I wouldn't send my kids there either, but then, Minnesota has statewide open enrollment so a child could go to any school in the state if they wanted.

I hear a lot about how homeschooled kids are "socialized" because they participate on a soccer team. Well, an hour practice here or there just isn't the same as the day in, day out contact with kids. For those that were bullied in middle school or any school, yes, it would have been easier to be homeschooled then to be bullied, but you developed the skills to deal with those types of people and you ARE going to run into them for the rest of your life. Being in school not only teaches you things out of books, but it also teaches you coping skills to get along in the real world.

Having taught high school, we often got kids in our classes that had been homeschooled up to high school. Most often, they have a VERY hard time adjusting to high school life. They don't have the skills to deal with large groups of teens for long periods of time. Yes, academically, they are often a head of many in the class, but not always. Most of the time, even if they are very smart, some big gaps in their education show up, BUT, because they are smart they pick up on the new tasks fairly quickly. Homeschooled parents often THINK their kids are doing just fine, but frankly, they never see what their child is like when they are not around and most often, they are not as confident as you think.

I will give you one example of many, many homeschooled kids I have come across--this family homeschooled their children K-12. These kids played soccer, had PE classes with other homeschooled kids, etc. Did all the homeschool "socializing" things. Well, time for college. The oldest DD has been to 4 different schools in 2 years, the longest stay 2 months. Her mom says it is because she is too smart for the rest of the kids. The DD said it was too scary being away from home. Now the DD, who should be a junior in college, is at home, not going to school and does everything with her mom because she has no friends. It is really sad. Her parents are REALLY nice people, just very narrow minded and very sheltering of their children, although when you talk with them, they don't see it that way. They think they are "socializing" their children because they play soccer and have these joint PE classes. NOPE.

I guess because I see the kids after they have been homeschooled, I see things very differently then their parents because I dealt with them when the parents were not there. Kids never act the same for their parents then they do at school or with other people (homeschooled or not).
 
I think it takes a special gift to be a teacher and just because you are a parent and have children that you are given that gift and life's lessons are best taught away from home and a "protected" atmosphere. It goes beyond spending time with other kids. It goes with dealing with peer pressure, bullies, teachers, not getting pick for cheerleading, etc. I don't knock a parents choice though. To each his own.

I am curious though, how does college look at home schooling? Is it harder to get expected to certain colleges especially since they are looking at so much more than academics now?
 

These discussions always make me laugh! I successfully homeschooled two kids through elementary school. I put them back in for Junior High because I felt the time was right. I still chuckle when the teachers ask me how I can possibly have TWO great, respectfull, motivated kids! I just tell them it was luck.... :teeth:

Just one other comment...another poster made mention on how it was good that homeschoolers recognized the need to put their kids back in school to properly prepare for college. My son in now entering his third year in public school and we are still waiting for the school to catch up to where we left off in his schooling.... Now not flame me for that comment, it is just a fact. I love having DS and DD in school now because I don't work and I love the free time! I have definitley earned it! :rotfl2:
 
golfgal said:
I will give you one example of many, many homeschooled kids I have come across--this family homeschooled their children K-12. These kids played soccer, had PE classes with other homeschooled kids, etc. Did all the homeschool "socializing" things. Well, time for college. The oldest DD has been to 4 different schools in 2 years, the longest stay 2 months. Her mom says it is because she is too smart for the rest of the kids. The DD said it was too scary being away from home. Now the DD, who should be a junior in college, is at home, not going to school and does everything with her mom because she has no friends. It is really sad. Her parents are REALLY nice people, just very narrow minded and very sheltering of their children, although when you talk with them, they don't see it that way. They think they are "socializing" their children because they play soccer and have these joint PE classes. NOPE.

This same thing happened with my sister. She went to "real" school all her life.
Honestly it happens quite a bit in small town..kids afraid to leave the nest sort of thing.
I really believe situations like that depend more on the chids personality than on how they were schooled.
 
Skatermom23 said:
. My son in now entering his third year in public school and we are still waiting for the school to catch up to where we left off in his schooling.... Now not flame me for that comment, it is just a fact. :rotfl2:

I don't want to flame you, but do you realize how many parents think that their kids are sooooo far ahead of other kids? Just because you covered more ground than the school did, doesn't make it a better experience. It's like those kids that win spelling bees - sure, they were drilled in spelling, but is it really good for the kid over all?

I'm sure your kid is a wonderful kid, but I just cringe when I hear parents say things like this. If I had a nickle for every time I heard a parent in my town, home school and not home school say that there kid was just sooooo far ahead the other kids -- I'd have a lot of nickels.
 
One other comment--I think that homeschooled kids should have to be tested yearly by an independent examination to evaluate their progress, just like kids in the public schools. While most homeschooled kids are at or above grade level, we all know that is not always the case. If a child is behind in an area, then the parents are aware of that and can make modifications to their lesson plans. Right now, there are very few states that have any kind of accountability practices for homeschooling.
 
Skatermom23 said:
Just one other comment...another poster made mention on how it was good that homeschoolers recognized the need to put their kids back in school to properly prepare for college. My son in now entering his third year in public school and we are still waiting for the school to catch up to where we left off in his schooling.... Now not flame me for that comment, it is just a fact. I love having DS and DD in school now because I don't work and I love the free time! I have definitley earned it! :rotfl2:


If public school is so far behind your son, why would you leave him there?
 
tiff211 said:
I am curious though, how does college look at home schooling? Is it harder to get expected to certain colleges especially since they are looking at so much more than academics now?

Actually it's not as hard as you may think. Most homeschoolers I know, myself included, take very careful measures to meet or exceed anything the college could want or ask for.

My DD is just in 7th grade, but I have already been in contact with several of the likley choices of University's for her to ensure we are doing and will be doing all we should.

She is in a program where she receives report cards, transcripts, and yearly portfolios of her work. When she gets to high school she will be taking credited college prep courses, as well as recieve her diploma and assitance with college placment.

I have 100% confidence that she will be able to attend any college or university she wants.
 
golfgal said:
One other comment--I think that homeschooled kids should have to be tested yearly by an independent examination to evaluate their progress, just like kids in the public schools. While most homeschooled kids are at or above grade level, we all know that is not always the case. If a child is behind in an area, then the parents are aware of that and can make modifications to their lesson plans. Right now, there are very few states that have any kind of accountability practices for homeschooling.

Not sure about all states, but this is the case in Georgia.
We have to go to an outside source to have standardized tests administed starting in 3rd grade.
 
auntpolly said:
I don't want to flame you, but do you realize how many parents think that their kids are sooooo far ahead of other kids? Just because you covered more ground than the school did, doesn't make it a better experience. It's like those kids that win spelling bees - sure, they were drilled in spelling, but is it really good for the kid over all?

I'm sure your kid is a wonderful kid, but I just cringe when I hear parents say things like this. If I had a nickle for every time I heard a parent in my town, home school and not home school say that there kid was just sooooo far ahead the other kids -- I'd have a lot of nickels.


When kids in middle school can't write an essay or finish a book without reading it aloud with the teacher, then yes, I think we did have a better experience. Believe me, I am not one to go around saying my kids are better, otherwise I would have pulled them back out long ago. The fact is that they were successfully homeschooled, academically, physically, socially etc.. They have merged with their peers wonderfully with the exception that teachers single them out for their good behavior, positive attitude and exceptionally good study habits. :rotfl:
 
DrCavin said:
I didn't read every post word-for-word, so I may have missed this. What about homeschool kids participating in sports? Do they just participate as if they are going to the public school?

We also have organized homeschool sports teams that play against the public school teams.
 
golfgal said:
For those that were bullied in middle school or any school, yes, it would have been easier to be homeschooled then to be bullied, but you developed the skills to deal with those types of people and you ARE going to run into them for the rest of your life.

It's been a good 20 years since middle school, and I've NEVER run into people like those bullies again. Like I said, many of them found their way to jail. Society has a way of dealing with people like this once they become adults. When they do what they did to me in middle school as adults, it becomes assault and battery, etc. That sometimes lands them in jail, sometimes on probation, and usually on the fringes of society. Might one of their brethren rob me at gunpoint someday? Sure. Otherwise, I don't hang with that crowd and I have no reason to run into them while out in society at large. Sorry, but I did NOT benefit from the experience of being afraid for my physical safety in middle school. It did not teach me anything other than to fear school because the adults wouldn't/couldn't protect me.

NO WAY would I allow my own child to experience this. I am glad that we have the option of homeschooling in this country. I wouldn't be doing it to shelter my child. I'd be doing it for a specific time frame in order to prevent them from having to deal with what I dealt with.
 
Skatermom23 said:
When kids in middle school can't write an essay or finish a book without reading it aloud with the teacher, then yes, I think we did have a better experience. Believe me, I am not one to go around saying my kids are better, otherwise I would have pulled them back out long ago. The fact is that they were successfully homeschooled, academically, physically, socially etc.. They have merged with their peers wonderfully with the exception that teachers single them out for their good behavior, positive attitude and exceptionally good study habits. :rotfl:

sigh, OK. Are you one of my neighbors? Your kid sound just like theirs.
 
The law in Ga is testing every 3 yrs, starting in 3rd grade. Testing can be done in the home by the parent.
The code states that the test must be administered in consultation with a person trained in the administration and interpretation of norm-referenced tests.
 
sha_lyn said:
The law in Ga is testing every 3 yrs, starting in 3rd grade. The testing does not have to be done by an outside source. Testing can be done in the home by the parent.
The code states that the test must be administered in consultation with a person trained in the administration and interpretation of norm-referenced tests.

Well, I'm not trained in the administation and iterpretation of norm-referenced test...so I guess for I should have said for US that means an outside source. :teeth:

Really, it's no big deal. Our homeschool association sets up the days and locations each year at test time, and everyone signs up and pays the testing fees accordingly.
 
chrissyk said:
I can see your point, but I have to disagree with this part of it. I went to a private, independent school for all of my pre-college education. In grades 6-8, I was bullied by what I can only term pre-teen animals. Apparently several of them are in jail now, which does not surprise me in the least. I went to school to learn. They went to school to victimize someone. In grades 6-8, I was the chosen unlucky one for whatever reason. Before that, other kids in the class had been the victim.

:earseek:

(Just an FYI--I have not heard that about Hoover....not that anywhere is immune. Holy moly!).
 
Ohio- standardized tests yearly or review by certified teacher. We are accountable. The teachers and educational system is not.

Per "sheltering", I think that no one is as sheltered from the "real world" like a kid in school. What is "real" about that situation? My real world is nothing like that. Most of the HS children I know spend time with people who are not "peer driven." They go on trips (one group just helped build a orphanage in Honduras, another has spent 2 months working on a Reservation in New Mexico.) We spend time in Nursing Homes, and the Homeless Shelter and food pantry.

They are involved with people of all ages, and circumsances, not 28 kids just like themselves.
 
DrCavin said:
I didn't read every post word-for-word, so I may have missed this. What about homeschool kids participating in sports? Do they just participate as if they are going to the public school?


As explained--there are homeschool sports teams...and there are community sports teams.

In Florida--homeschooled students not registered as or with a 600 (private) school are eligible for extra-curricular offerings (and actually--probably academic as well...I'll have to read more on that). There are criteria--like if on something with limited spaces--I can't go sue for my child to be allowed part of it. But if my kid wished to do something..we can make arrangments and otherwise legally take part in it.

Each state is different though. So I cannot speak for the other 49.

Homeschool teams have been permitted into division play.
 


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