Homeschooling Debate

Hey, Jenny. Funny, I was going to start a thread along these lines when I read that other thread too but decided it would make me too crabby. I just don't get why people with no experience with homeschooled kids have such huge issues and gripes with it. Yeah, I know some people don't do a good job, but does that mean we should condemn all of us who make this choice?

Yes, the public schools in our district suck. I never would be doing this if my kids went to the school where my sister teaches. But that is not why I continue to do it. I love it, my kids love it, we are having FUN learning and we love love love the flexibility. I never have to worry about taking my kids out of school for WDW!
 
HS students may have a difficult time fitting in the heirarchy of a regular classroom of their peers, but in a mixed crowd I would bet on a HSer any day. And, quite frankly, RL is not made up with same aged peers, but with a variety of people with varied backgrounds. Not exactly the average classroom situation.

Per the sciences, it is difficult, but not impossible. Our HS group has an elementery and a high school science co op each year to make the labs, etc a bit easier.
 
I see no problem with home schooling so long as the kids have other activities outside the home so they learn proper social interaction.

I also want to commend you on sending them back to public school once they were older to prepare them for college.
 
malibuconlee said:
I see no problem with home schooling so long as the kids have other activities outside the home so they learn proper social interaction.

I also want to commend you on sending them back to public school once they were older to prepare them for college.
I've seen some parents do a great job with HS aged kids. I just worry that I would not be one of them..It does work for some,but probably would not work for me,and I'm not willing to take that chance.
 

Brier Rose said:
Unless I just live in an area with a lot of exceptional homeschoolers, I don't know any that can't relate to the "outside" world or are so immature that can't "handle" a conversation with their peer group. In fact it's quite the opposite!

I hope that's not directed towards my post, because that's not what I meant at all.

SPAM said:
i dont, by any means, think homeschooling is a bad idea but i personally know several homeschool kids that have been homeschooled most of their lives and are now teenagers and they have def. been affected socially by it. they have trouble relating to people, or knowing social boundaries.
This is more of what I meant.
 
Jenny, I have a question...

One of my friends is seriously considering homeschooling her sons. I told her that I don't have the patience and organizational skills that I think would be necessary to homeschool effectively and that I really respect parents that do. She said that if she had to be home with her sons to teach them during the day that she wouldn't have the patience either. Now, I don't have the first clue about homeschooling. I asked her if she planned to stop working and she said that it wasn't necessary. She said that there are programs/courses that her sons could do online, during the day, while she was at work. BTW, her sons are entering 8th grade this coming year. I'm curious, is that another way to homeschool?
 
First off, I want to say some people do a great job of home schooling. I have a teaching certificate from the state of IL for elementary education. I am a stay at home mom. I have never considered home schooling my children. Lots of people ask me why. I don't for a lot of reasons: It is hard to be objective with your own children. I do think that children benefit from learning how to get along with others including teachers they may or may not like. Being held accountable for their actions outside of the home is important. When choosing a home, the number one issue for me is the school district we are in, therefore ending up in a substandard school isn't an issue.

I work with my children at home. I made sure they had the skills and background to be ready for school, and I support their teachers 100%. I don't have a problem giving them all the tutoring they may need after school, but I want my children to grow towards independence. That means dealing with difficult situations at school, budgeting time, getting along with others, choosing friends wisely... the whole nine yards.

I know some people home school because they believe they have to. I just wonder how many out there have the skills? I know some do, but I fear for the children of those who do not.
 
RitaZ. said:
Jenny, I have a question...

One of my friends is seriously considering homeschooling her sons. I told her that I don't have the patience and organizational skills that I think would be necessary to homeschool effectively and that I really respect parents that do. She said that if she had to be home with her sons to teach them during the day that she wouldn't have the patience either. Now, I don't have the first clue about homeschooling. I asked her if she planned to stop working and she said that it wasn't necessary. She said that there are programs/courses that her sons could do online, during the day, while she was at work. BTW, her sons are entering 8th grade this coming year. I'm curious, is that another way to homeschool?
There are online HS programs..I'm not a big fan of them as the only source of schooling. A child is not meant to sit in front of a computer for 3 hours a day.JMO,but that's not schooling.
That said,I do know working parents who homeschool..They do it in the evening and on weekends.
 
Twinkles6892 said:
I hope that's not directed towards my post, because that's not what I meant at all.

No I wasn't directing that toward you, just saying it in general because I hear it a lot.

Quite honestly I don't want my DD to act like most of the 13 year old I know! A broad statment I know, so please those of you with 13 year olds don't be offeneded..OK. :)

But, Just an example...
My DD had a best friend that was homeschooled her whole life. Due to certain circumstances, her mother had to put her in one of the public schools here. The change in that child in a years time was unbelivable!
Now granted it was a combination of the public school influence and the mothers new lack of involvment, but I'm sad to say I do believe she "adapted" in the worst way possible. Definatly became a product of her new enviorment.

She and my DD are friends no longer. Because my DD is not interested in boys, sex and fighting that's "cool", they out grew each other.
Thank God!!
 
I personally think to do an excellent job at least one parent needs to be present 85% of the time. Leaving 13/14 year olds alone during the day isn't good for homeschool kids or public school kids - just think of how much trouble public school kids get into in that 3pm - 6pm window when their parents aren't home from work (my neighbors son routinely had parties at the house and made "big fire" with gasoline on their driveway!)
 
I needed to add, I think it is quite funny actually when people say, for instance, "I know this one girl who was homeschooled and she has no social skills." Ha ha ha. LIke you don't know any kids who are in high school and have been going to public school their entire lives that don't have good social skills. PLEASE. Come to my church, I will introduce you to several. There are going to be extremes in everything. One homeschooled kid you know now takes drugs. Uhhh, what about the p.s. kids. Or even private school?

I don't want to be confrontational about this at all, but what is up with this issue? I honestly can't figure out why people have such a problem with this. Yes, there are bad homeschoolers, I will admit that freely, but any good teacher will tell you that home life is the #1 predictor of success in school so how do we know these kids wouldn't be messed up in public school too?

I have to admit something embarrassing though :blush: I am teaching VBS at our church this week. There is this one midlle school kid who is a group leader for the kindergarteners. He is constantly answering the questions for the little ones, raising his hand, insisting on being called on etc. Seriously, this kid has NO social skills. And yes, I did find myself thinking "Pleeeeease don't let him be a homeschooler giving the rest of us a bad image." Found out today, he is not and the staff had serious reservations about letting him volunteer.

I was thinking it would be fun for some of you who are not familiar with any homeschoolers to read about our typical schedule. It's going to make my post pretty long though, so beware!

Daily: Start school around 9:00
First topic is spelling. We use a formal curriculum that is supposed to take 15 min but often takes us 20-25 DD also has some time to work on either Logic or Language arts depending on the day.
Second topic: math
While DD is working on her spelling review and her math assignment, I work with DSs on counting, colors etc. This year DS 1 starts K so he will have a bit more to do.
Third topic All do history together. We are learning about Rome right now and do a combo of reading and hands on projects. The other day we made wax tablets and figured out what each of our ages looked like in Roman numerals.
Snack time
Fourth: Science At home this year we are learning about the Human body, reading books, looking at models and internet sites that show blood flow for intstance and making paper models as well as doing experiments for strength, lung capacity, senses etc are all on the list.
Lunch
After lunch we try to leave open for art activities, play etc. We also have required book time in the afternoons. Many times our science stuff carries over till after lunch too.

However, we don't spend every day at the table. DD used to be in karate but has now finished. This fall she will be taking piano lessons,participating in youth choir, she is taking a class in drama, dance and music and she is in girl scouts. Seems a bit arts heavy, I know, but that is the kind of girl she is. We also have a Weds co-op where we expand our learning about history, are learning Chemistry this year and have one more elective subject as well as gym with a certified fitness trainer. On Friday afternoons we have a playgroup that gets together at a park or gym or whathave you and once a month we go to a local nature center where they do a class for us and we learn various things about the outdoors or animals.

This year we also have field trips planned to: the firestation, the bakery, the local newspaper, the local cable TV station, two living history sites, a homeless shelter and one other one that I am forgetting right now.

Anyway, just thought people might be interested in a bit of info. I am sure I forgot some things, but this gives you an idea of a typical day.
 
I have mixed feelings on home schooling, but the same can be said for public and private schooling as well.

I was a student not all that long ago (graduated from high school in 1998), and I saw some success stories and some failures. There did seem to be some “fitting in” problems with some of the home school kids. I don’t just mean that they weren’t in the “in crowd” (I certainly wasn’t myself), but some of them really seemed incapable of communicating with their peers. I do think that it can isolate kids too much. I think that some students don’t get good educations when being home schooled. Of course, the same exact things can be said for students in public and private schools.

Overall, I am more concerned with home schooling at the high school level than at the younger ages. I think that many parents don’t have the proper education/credentials to teach their children at that level. I know they have groups so experts can teach the home schoolers, and I think that’s a good thing. I do think that high schoolers who are home schooled might be in for a major shock when going to college though. I really think it’s an individual child thing as to whether it works or not. Goodness knows that if I had to teach my child calculus, they wouldn’t be very good at it, LOL! :teeth:
 
JennyMominRI said:
There are online HS programs..I'm not a big fan of them as the only source of schooling. A child is not meant to sit in front of a computer for 3 hours a day.JMO,but that's not schooling.
That said,I do know working parents who homeschool..They do it in the evening and on weekends.

Actually, we're doing an online program for the first time this year. There's not really a set amount of time per say that they have to be online at one time, and it's a combination of online, traditional textbooks, and CD-Rom.
We decided to go that route because DD was interested in the program, and we thought it serve as good practice with computer/typing skills that will be needed in the future career wise.

That said here's a link to the program for anybody who want's to check it out.
The Morning Star Academy
 
For those who thinks the teacher should be "qualified"---what exactly would be the qualification?

13 years is a wide range of qualifications for traditional teachers.
 
JennyMominRI said:
There are online HS programs..I'm not a big fan of them as the only source of schooling. A child is not meant to sit in front of a computer for 3 hours a day.JMO,but that's not schooling.
That said,I do know working parents who homeschool..They do it in the evening and on weekends.

Her sons are starting 8th grade, maybe she hasn't researched it enough. That was my impression too about it not really being homeschooling. My friend is tired of the stress and aggravation that she goes through with the homework and amount of projects the boys are assigned in PS. I think that she is desperate to find a solution to all the stress caused by the school problems.

I can tell you with almost 100% certainty that if I left my 13 yr. old at home, by himself all day with access to the computer to do "assigned classwork", he wouldn't do any of it. There wouldn't be any real learning going on.
 
Brier Rose said:
Actually, we're doing an online program for the first time this year. There's not really a set amount of time per say that they have to be online at one time, and it's a combination of online, traditional textbooks, and CD-Rom.
We decided to go that route because DD was interested in the program, and we thought it serve as good practice with computer/typing skills that will be needed in the future career wise.

That said here's a link to the program for anybody who want's to check it out.
The Morning Star Academy
I'm not knocking online programs.I'm knocking people that use them as their only means of schooling.I'm talking about sitting a child down in front of a computer and doing nothing else..I too utilized online programs
 
CEDmom said:
My biggest issue with homeschooling is that in many instances there's no accountability. In NJ for instance anyone can homeschool and parents aren't required to prove that their children are learning. Also, as Kasar said, while I don't want harm to come to my child she does need to learn the "hard knocks of life" at some point.

As states have their own requirements for education and then even differing requirements at county levels--each state sets their own requirements. Some require more than just a "we're homeschooling statement". In Florida it requires testing or portfolio review and at any time (with notice--I forget the lead time) the county can come and review the portfolio.

Some states require attedance records...some require so many hours per day.

Each state is different.
 
Twinkles6892 said:
I couldn't imagine being homeschooled! I've been very social all my life and I look forward to school. But it's good for some children who need to be kept away from the social aspect until they're a little bit older.

Lots of homeschoolers are quite the social butterflies--it is not just for introverts!
 
Lisa loves Pooh said:
As states have their own requirements for education and then even differing requirements at county levels--each state sets their own requirements. Some require more than just a "we're homeschooling statement". In Florida it requires testing or portfolio review and at any time (with notice--I forget the lead time) the county can come and review the portfolio.

Some states require attedance records...some require so many hours per day.

Each state is different.
For those who support parents having to *prove* that their kids are being educated properly,do you also believe that they should have to prove their kids a being fed properly,not being neglected etc. Generally the state assumes that parents are doing the proper things with regards to their children.It's only when some sort of neglect is suspected that the states step in.
Also do you think a child should have to conform to the standards of the local school district when that same child will NEVER recieve a diploma from that district.? I have to report to my local school district ,and yet,If I educated my children at home,through HS,they would recieve no acknowledgement at all from my school district. No diploma,nothing
 
Lisa loves Pooh said:
Lots of homeschoolers are quite the social butterflies--it is not just for introverts!
No kidding. My kids have friends from the UK ,Australia, all sorts of places. They can deal with adults just as well as they can deal with children.
 


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