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I agree, don't let "socialization fear" stop you. I pulled my 8 yo out of public school right before spring break (last friday) and after spring break we will start HSing (we have been doing fun educational things over spring break!) I can honestly say that her calendar is already full! I got online, I found local groups, yahoo groups and even started a meet at a local library. Don't let this stop you if everything else about HS is a fit for your family.
 
I think you see the evidence of this all of the time in the schools. Kids who are not developmentally ready to read being diagnosed with disabilities rather than just not being ready.

This is exactly what finally got my dh completely on board with homeschooling. There is absolutely no way my ds will be ready for school in just a couple of months. We'd be down there dealing with "behavioral problems" constantly.
 
Hey guys! I am wondering if anyone uses Math U See and can give me advice. My middle son really struggles with math and just cannot GET some of the concepts--like adding ten to a single digit number. He simply does not see why it should be automatic. He is in the end of second grade and he's freaking me out. I am trying to decide between Primer and Alpha. Either one of them is pretty low for his age, and most of Alpha would seem to fit but they cover adding 10s in Primer and that is where he is stuck right now.

If anyone who has used it could tell me if you can do Alpha without getting that concept I would love it. I do have the state conference coming up in a few weeks here but I am on a mind rolll so I want to know NOW!;)
 
Hi DawnM,

Thanks for welcoming me :) Yes, have 5 really great MKs! Our oldest is going to go Tien Shan in Almaty next year (for many reasons) . Your friends must be in Kyrgyzstan, since Faith is in Bishkek. Anyway, it'll be fun to watch the discussions going on, and offer what I can when I have time. I'm mostly a lurker here, but am a regular on the camping forum.

Keep up the good fight!

Liesa
 

Hey guys! I am wondering if anyone uses Math U See and can give me advice. My middle son really struggles with math and just cannot GET some of the concepts--like adding ten to a single digit number. He simply does not see why it should be automatic. He is in the end of second grade and he's freaking me out. I am trying to decide between Primer and Alpha. Either one of them is pretty low for his age, and most of Alpha would seem to fit but they cover adding 10s in Primer and that is where he is stuck right now.

If anyone who has used it could tell me if you can do Alpha without getting that concept I would love it. I do have the state conference coming up in a few weeks here but I am on a mind rolll so I want to know NOW!;)

I would go with Alpha. We started with Primer with my middle dd last year when she was 5 and began Alpha several months ago at 6 (we consider her a 1st grader). Alpha goes back over most all of Primer other than the initial number recognition and beginning counting. If he can count and recognize the numerals 0 - 9 I would definitely go with Alpha. We started our oldest dd in Alpha in 2nd grade and just had her basically fly through it and Beta to make sure we didn't miss any concepts. She's almost through Gamma now (4th grade, she'll be 10 next month). It has worked great for us. We started our oldest with Horizons but it just wasn't a good fit for either of us.



A big welcome to all the newbies! There's always room for more here in the friendly homeschooling thread! :thumbsup2
 
Hey guys! I am wondering if anyone uses Math U See and can give me advice. My middle son really struggles with math and just cannot GET some of the concepts--like adding ten to a single digit number. He simply does not see why it should be automatic. He is in the end of second grade and he's freaking me out. I am trying to decide between Primer and Alpha. Either one of them is pretty low for his age, and most of Alpha would seem to fit but they cover adding 10s in Primer and that is where he is stuck right now.

If anyone who has used it could tell me if you can do Alpha without getting that concept I would love it. I do have the state conference coming up in a few weeks here but I am on a mind rolll so I want to know NOW!;)


My son *really* struggles in math! He is 1st grade, reading at a 3rd grade level. We were doing horizons math and had finished 1/2 the year and they were moving on and he was stuck way back. We switched to Singapore and experienced the same thing. in Jan I ordered Math U See Alpha. We started very slow at the beginning *AGAIN* and he is *FINALLY* getting it! Its been a slow uphill journey, but math u see has been AWSOME for him! It helps so much to "build" the numbers. At first I thought it was a joke, but he has been about to get a good grasp of the concepts by "seeing" the numbers.

Goos luck! I think Alpha is the place to start! My son was stuck at the same place. It will begin with "build the number 52" with blocks. Very creative. It will reinforce what he knows and moves on quickly.
 
Special Bulletin: Homeschool Ruling Vacated; Court Will Reconsider

Pacific Justice Institute has just received word that the court ruling
which declared most forms of homeschooling unlawful in California has
been vacated. This means the Rachel L. decision, which has sparked a
nationwide uproar, will not go into effect as it is currently written.

For the complete story, go to
http://www.homeschoolfacts.com/news/index.php/Homeschool_News

Just to clarify, the rehearing does not mean the current decision in Rachel L. will not go into effect as it is currently written. The rehearing means that the Court of Appeals will revisit their decision. In this particular instance, the Court has alluded to the fact that they will make a more complete review rather than the traditional cursory look that occurs when there is a rehearing.

The San Francisco Chronicle has a good article here:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/26/BA7CVR0TG.DTL&tsp=1

The new hearing will be in June 2008. It appears that rather than a cursory review, as is usual in such a review, the Court is going to take a more complete review and has even invited written arguments from various interested non-parties. This, however, DOES NOT mean homeschooling parents. However, 'friend of the court' (amicus) briefs will likely be filed by a number of homeschool groups.

If you live in California and homeschool, write to the Superintendent and ask him continue his support of parental choice in education and to publicly state such support to the Court.

http://www.cde.ca.gov/

:teacher:
 
Special Bulletin: Homeschool Ruling Vacated; Court Will Reconsider

Pacific Justice Institute has just received word that the court ruling
which declared most forms of homeschooling unlawful in California has
been vacated. This means the Rachel L. decision, which has sparked a
nationwide uproar, will not go into effect as it is currently written.

For the complete story, go to
http://www.homeschoolfacts.com/news/index.php/Homeschool_News

Just to clarify, the rehearing does not mean the current decision in Rachel L. will not go into effect as it is currently written. The rehearing means that the Court of Appeals will revisit their decision and while such a review is being undertaken that nothing NEW related to this case can be enforced. However, no new law had been set. The court only affirmed longstanding law that was on the books but not necessarily enforced. The new implications of that existing law are what has sent shock waves through the homeschool community.

The San Francisco Chronicle has a good article here:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/26/BA7CVR0TG.DTL&tsp=1

The new hearing will be in June 2008. It appears that rather than a cursory review, as is usual in such a review, the Court is going to take a more complete review and has even invited written arguments from various interested non-parties. This, however, DOES NOT mean homeschooling parents. However, 'friend of the court' (amicus) briefs will likely be filed by a number of homeschool groups.

If you live in California and homeschool, write to the Superintendent and ask him to continue his support of parental choice in education and to publicly state such support to the Court.

http://www.cde.ca.gov/

KEEP HOMESCHOOLING!
 
That is one of the best things I have ever heard pertaining to homeschooling. Kudos to your friend!
Thank you! It was a very convincing argument.:)

So has the california homeschool issue not been settled? I thought the governator had said he would veto it if it reached him. Am I confused? I really hate to see states go after homeschoolers. They are basically saying that parents don't know what's best for their children. Are they going to ban us from having children next? :rolleyes: I'm sorry for the sarcasm, I just feel so bad for all those parents having to deal with this. :hug:
 
I just got caught back up and wanted to tell everyone Thank You for your support and for letting me vent!! You guys are the greatest. I have to say hs has been the best decision we ever made. One of my dd you couldn't get her to pick up a book, now I can't get her enough books!!

Tracy
 
I would go with Alpha. We started with Primer with my middle dd last year when she was 5 and began Alpha several months ago at 6 (we consider her a 1st grader). Alpha goes back over most all of Primer other than the initial number recognition and beginning counting. If he can count and recognize the numerals 0 - 9 I would definitely go with Alpha. We started our oldest dd in Alpha in 2nd grade and just had her basically fly through it and Beta to make sure we didn't miss any concepts. She's almost through Gamma now (4th grade, she'll be 10 next month). It has worked great for us. We started our oldest with Horizons but it just wasn't a good fit for either of us.

My son *really* struggles in math! He is 1st grade, reading at a 3rd grade level. We were doing horizons math and had finished 1/2 the year and they were moving on and he was stuck way back. We switched to Singapore and experienced the same thing. in Jan I ordered Math U See Alpha. We started very slow at the beginning *AGAIN* and he is *FINALLY* getting it! Its been a slow uphill journey, but math u see has been AWSOME for him! It helps so much to "build" the numbers. At first I thought it was a joke, but he has been about to get a good grasp of the concepts by "seeing" the numbers.

Goos luck! I think Alpha is the place to start! My son was stuck at the same place. It will begin with "build the number 52" with blocks. Very creative. It will reinforce what he knows and moves on quickly.

Oh thanks so much both of you!! I am relieved to hear from people who have been in my shoes. I knew I could count on you DIS homeschoolers!:worship:

With that said, I have another question! :rotfl: I HATE one of the co-ops we are in. Hate it. But I am friends with the women who are in it and am going to our state conference with them in a few weeks. I teach the 4-6 year old class with a curriculum that i do not like at all. (If anyone of you remember, last summer I wrote about a geography curriculum that two other moms and I were writing. Well, it was going in a direction I really didn't like or agree with and so I bowed out.) This co-op is supposed to be totally planned by the whole group and decisions of changes are supposed to be made by the whole group but these two women have pretty much taken over. They have their little side conversations and decide where the group as a whole is going. Plus there is a bunch of extra stuff to do--for instance at the end of the year, we do a HUGE festival type things for families and friends to come and see. Basically it is like an open house, but MUCH bigger. Honestly I haev nothing to prove and my in laws would come to an event for my kids if it was about them playing in the mud. They don't care what it is, they just adore their grandchildren. Then there is a big summer event our group "runs" which basically means that the one woman tells us all what to do. Both of these events take a lot of time and energy neither of which I have.

So, I want to quit. But it is in the middle of hte year. The last three weeks we have been out because my kids had chicken pox. We have all been so much happier. (My boys don't like to go either!) How bad would it be if I scheduled my son's new OT appts for Monday mornings?:confused3 ;) Kind of kidding, but on the other hand not so much. The next 9 weeks feels endless to me!! Help!!
 
How bad would it be if I scheduled my son's new OT appts for Monday mornings?:confused3 ;) Kind of kidding, but on the other hand not so much. The next 9 weeks feels endless to me!! Help!!

Seems simple. If you don't love it, don't waste the gas or time. Schedule the appts then. Sounds like a good way out without stomping toes. If that doesn't work out, tell them you feel the kids are going in a different direction. You would like to remain friends, but co-op doesn't seem to be working.

Good luck! :thumbsup2
 
So has the california homeschool issue not been settled? I thought the governator had said he would veto it if it reached him.

The California homeschool issue has NOT been settled. Governor Schwarzenegger has said that he will work with the legislature to make sure parents do have such a choice as homeschooling. Because this is all based on a legal case, he has no veto power. The trial court ruled in favor of the State and upheld the law on the books. The appeals court affirmed that ruling. Now, the appeals court has now said it will reconsider the ruling.

The problem is that the court can't ignore the law that currently exists. The court ruled that all children between the age of six and 18 must be enrolled in a recognized California public school or be subject to one of the State’s limited exemptions to compulsory education. (as per the CA Education Code that is currently the law in CA)

Even on the HSLDA website they have never outright said that a parent can educate their children at home without certain criteria being met to comply with the CA Education Code. http://www.hslda.org/laws/default.asp?State=CA

Keep in mind though, the case of Rachel L. originated in the trial court after the oldest of the family's children reported to government officials that the children were being physically and emotionally mistreated by their father. It was not brought as a 'homeschool' case. The fact that the children were being homeschooled came in to play later.

At some point, the attorney for two of the three minor children in the case petitioned the Appellate Court for extraordinary writ relief, asking the Court to direct the trial court to order that the children be enrolled in a public or private school, and actually attend such a school. Apparently, the attorney for the two children was dissatisfied with the trial court's earlier decision declining to order the children to attend public school. While the trial court found that homeschooling the children received was "meager", the trial court held that it could not order the children to public school because it believed that "parents have a constitutional right to school their children in their own home."
(emphasis mine)

The Appellate Court said the trial court was mistaken, and that California courts already have determined that that "under provisions in the Education Code, parents do not have a constitutional right to home school their children."

The Appellate Court was not stating that the parents do not have a constitutional right to home school their children under the United States Constitution. The Appellate Court was referring to the California Constitution only.

See, the California Appeals Court cited the United States Supreme Court's decision in another case (Pierce) and it recognized that parents have a fundamental right to the upbringing and education of their children under the U.S. Constitution, but the Appeals Court, more importantly for its purposes, cited that section of Pierce and another Supreme Court case that more particularly describes the right of the State to "regulate" the education of children.

Ultimately, the Appeals Court held that it had no actual facts before it to determine whether these parents in the case of Rachel L. actually complied with the California statutes or not. So, the Court sent the case back to the trial court for another hearing so that the parents could present evidence to prove that they are in compliance with California statutes. The Court also held that the trial court should order the parents to comply with the statutes and unless they had a legal ground for not doing so, the trial court must order the parents "(1) enroll their children in a public full-time day school, or a legally qualified private full-time day school and (2) see to it that the children receive their education in such school." At the new hearing before the trial court, then, the parents could provide evidence that they are in compliance with the statutes, thus giving the trial court a legal ground for not ordering the children to enroll in a public or private school.

The public needs to understand that this decision is only binding on the parties in this particular case. Even so, the parents in this case may not necessarily have to send their children to public school. They may be able to prove they are in compliance with the law such that the trial court will have no grounds to order the children back to public or private school. If the parents cannot prove they are in compliance, and if the trial court does order the children back to public or private school, the parents still could appeal that decision to California's Supreme Court.

Does this case act as a precedent? Yes, but it is only a precedent for a trial court that may hear a similar case in the future. Even at that, the trial court could find one or more facts to be different in that future case such that it may decide that this Appeals Court case is not of any precedential value. Courts do that all the time. Or, the Appeals Court in another case may declare its decision in In re Rachel L. to be reversed at some point in the future. Courts do this less often, but they do it nonetheless.

Or, more importantly the public has other recourse with elected officials. The parents in California, or any state, at any time, regarding any Court decision, may ask the legislature to clarify the state law and to overturn any Court decision.

The point is, contrary to popular belief and fear mongering headlines, as you can see from a careful reading of the Appeals Court's actual decision, the Court did not rule that "homeschooling in California is illegal". It would appear that nothing really has changed as a result of this decision. The Appeals Court did not overturn California's existing statutes. The Court upheld them. If parents comply with the statutes, they are just as free to homeschool as they were before this decision.


So, where are we now? The Appeals Court has decided to grant the petition for rehearing. That means the prior decision of the Appeals Court is vacated until it rules after the oral arguments in June 2008.

Don't panic! The law hasn't changed and so long as Californian's who homeschool comply with the law then there is not a problem. It's just like the rest of the country -- comply with the law (no matter how many hoops you have to jump thru) or risk not being permitted to homeschool.


Sorry for such a long post but I wanted to make it as clear as possible what this all means to the homeschool community.


Keep Homeschooling!
 
Eeyore's Tiara-
hey- Just wanted to tell you about a math program that is new to me. You may have already heard about it. It's called Teaching Textbooks and 2 brothers (I think from Harvard) created a homeschool math curr. and it's done on your computer. I did the sample pages and it's looking wonderful for us!! My oldest is going into pre-algebra and my middle is doing 5th grade math(they were both about a year ahead, due to previous math courses). So, anyway, I had talked to a homeschool rep. from Christianbook.com and this is what she suggested-it's suppose to be the 1st math program created specifically for hs.:worship: Finally!! I don't know if that's exactly true, but it's what they are saying! And this is the 1st year they have included 5th and 6th grade. I just wanted to let you know about it because my kids at this point in the school year are tired of math as well. It's a new thing and it will really help me as well.
Check it out and see what you think. I personally haven't done anything on the computer because I wanted more of a hands on, & we are more into the Charlotte Mason style and so we read a lot of books. This is great because it's just one subject and I can focus on other subjects with my other children. :teacher: Keep it up hs'ers!! We are a fun bunch!!! Blessings!
 
My DD used Teaching Textbooks (PreAlgebra) this year and I have to say I *love* the product.

You will receive the lectures (the exact same lessons as in the workbook) on disk, giving you the option doing the lessons on the computer or from the workbook. There may be times when you combine the two. For instance, when introduced to a new concept, it helped DD to watch/listen to the lecture and work the practice problems on the computer, then do the regular lesson in her workbook.

Althought Teaching Textbooks is kinda pricey, I think it is SO worth the cost and would definintely recommend it to those of you looking to change up your Math curriculum.
 
Another family that LOVES TT! DD11 does not like math. She is actually pretty good at it but does not enjoy it. We have tried Saxon and Abeka. It was a fight with both of them. Keys to Curr. was ok, again not her favorite.

She is finishing up TT7, getting ready to go into Pre-algebra this summer. She does not fight with me, will do more then 1 lesson a day. It has been a blessing!

I am planning on DD9 starting TT this summer. Just have to test her to see what grade level.
 
Another vote for Teaching Textbooks. I heard about it right here on this list and got it for DD this last year. It is a bit pricey, but I managed to find it used and since DD never used the book, only computer, when she went to school, I resold it for the exact same price I bought it for. How cool is that??

DD is also math phobic and she really like TT.

I am still thinking on my whole co-op problem.
 
lOL, Julie...take it from someone who thought her world had caved in, when i was kicked out of the HS group...friends hang by you regardless! I'd say bag the co-op. Sometimes it just isn't the right mix. And, deal with your buddies in the way you see fit. I was really honest with a couple, and kept things personal with the acquaintances. In the end, it worked out. The hsers that "had" the concept that hsing is about what is best for "me and mine" just as it is about "them and theirs" understood.
 
Eeyore's Tiara-
hey- Just wanted to tell you about a math program that is new to me. You may have already heard about it. It's called Teaching Textbooks and 2 brothers (I think from Harvard) created a homeschool math curr. and it's done on your computer. I did the sample pages and it's looking wonderful for us!! My oldest is going into pre-algebra and my middle is doing 5th grade math(they were both about a year ahead, due to previous math courses). So, anyway, I had talked to a homeschool rep. from Christianbook.com and this is what she suggested-it's suppose to be the 1st math program created specifically for hs.:worship: Finally!! I don't know if that's exactly true, but it's what they are saying! And this is the 1st year they have included 5th and 6th grade. I just wanted to let you know about it because my kids at this point in the school year are tired of math as well. It's a new thing and it will really help me as well.
Check it out and see what you think. I personally haven't done anything on the computer because I wanted more of a hands on, & we are more into the Charlotte Mason style and so we read a lot of books. This is great because it's just one subject and I can focus on other subjects with my other children. :teacher: Keep it up hs'ers!! We are a fun bunch!!! Blessings!

Thank you! I appreciate the tip on the math. It is like pulling teeth around here to get her to do math. If it werent for her love of science, she wouldn't do math at all. We have a hs book fair coming in May. Do you think they would have it? Or should I look for it online? Will it also work for a child who is too smart for their own good? My middle daughter solves the math problems in her head while leaning over her sister's shoulder. It drives my older daughter mad. Will it challenge my middle girl and hopefully keep her busy?

Has anyone heard of math bootcamp? There is an academy for hs's around here that offers a bootcamp for ages 2 years thru 12th grade. I'm just wondering if anyone has ever tried anything like it. It's offered only during the summertime.
 


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