Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

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Honestely, this is the type of stuff that really bothers me. Didn't Obama outspead her? Why is everyone always putting her down for every move she makes? 18 milion people wanted her. Obama didn't win by a landslide, it was a close race. She had a right to stay in until it was over.


I agree. She spent what she needed to, this is how elections are run. But don't mind that poster anyway-he is trying to be your thread's "clown" like the Obama thread had.
 
Will be interesting to see how NJ plays out - its Hillary country. It could be very close Obama\McCain split - but I think I see Obama squeaking it out.

Obama's people have been trying to call me up - I haven't taken their calls. I may end up voting for him - but he's not getting any money from me!!! Hillary got my political expenditures for the year!

A to say the least sobering post-mortem on the Clinton candidacy:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...hillary_clinton_paid_a_heavy_price_for_p.html


Hmmm funny how all the articles I read are more on Hillary than Obama or McCain....negative or positive they just cant seem to move on :rotfl2: they are all Hillary lovers in disguise I tell ya. Also funny how they all say the HS are all negative when it's many OS spreading all the dirt:confused3 but again that's the double standard...that is ::yes::
 
[QUOTE="Got Disney";25583499]Hmmm funny how all the articles I read are more on Hillary than Obama or McCain....negative or positive they just cant seem to move on :rotfl2: they are all Hillary lovers in disguise I tell ya. Also funny how they all say the HS are all negative when it's many OS spreading all the dirt:confused3 but again that's the double standard...that is ::yes::[/QUOTE]


How do you know its an OS who wrote the article? The person who posted the article is no OS -he's a con thru and thru. This might come as a suprise to you, but not all cons are in love with Hillary.
 

How do you know its an OS who wrote the article? The person who posted the article is no OS -he's a con thru and thru. This might come as a suprise to you, but not all cons are in love with Hillary.

I think there are people out there that would bash Hillary regardless of who they support. I have no idea if the writer of the artical really supports Obama, but I do think they are not treating Clinton as an equal compared to other canidates.
 
How do you know its an OS who wrote the article? The person who posted the article is no OS -he's a con thru and thru. This might come as a suprise to you, but not all cons are in love with Hillary.

I never said it was an OS....I said that the HS are being blamed for all the dirt when the OS are doing the same...yet in the articles and in the media ya dont hear about that....
 
Our media is controlled and bias. What a shame that they have been so critical of one canidate. Hillary gets this and Obama got compared to Bobby Kennedy all weekend.
 
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[QUOTE="Got Disney";25583499]Hmmm funny how all the articles I read are more on Hillary than Obama or McCain....negative or positive they just cant seem to move on :rotfl2: they are all Hillary lovers in disguise I tell ya. Also funny how they all say the HS are all negative when it's many OS spreading all the dirt:confused3 but again that's the double standard...that is ::yes::[/QUOTE]

Why is it a great surprise that, when a losing candidate flushes $212,000,000 down the crapper, it stays a lead story? It's a story of hubris, how not to run a campaign, and how to lose.

In that respect, Hillary ought to shake hands with Rudolph Giulani.

Btw, regardless of whether Obama outspent Hillary or not, he came out the winner. That's the other side of the story.

And what "dirt"? Did she spend $212,000,000 on a losing campaign or not? That isn't "dirt". That's a fact. Since when do facts become "dirt"?

Instead of pointing fingers at everyone, Hillary ought to be pointing fingers at herself and wonder why, when she had it all going in (money, name recognition, sense of inevitability, etc.,) she lost. Maybe Mark Penn should've been given the boot instead of a paycheck when it became clearly obvious his advice strategy wasn't a winning one? Maybe someone in Hillary's high priced campaign should've looked at the rise in Hillary's negatives as she was in "kitchen sink mode". They would've seen what the rest of us saw: It wasn't working.

This can go on and on, but the fact is, Hillary spend $212,000,000 to lose.
 
Why is it a great surprise that, when a losing candidate flushes $212,000,000 down the crapper, it stays a lead story? It's a story of hubris, how not to run a campaign, and how to lose.

In that respect, Hillary ought to shake hands with Rudolph Giulani.

Btw, regardless of whether Obama outspent Hillary or not, he came out the winner. That's the other side of the story.

And what "dirt"? Did she spend $212,000,000 on a losing campaign or not? That isn't "dirt". That's a fact. Since when do facts become "dirt"?

Instead of pointing fingers at everyone, Hillary ought to be pointing fingers at herself and wonder why, when she had it all going in (money, name recognition, sense of inevitability, etc.,) she lost. Maybe Mark Penn should've been given the boot instead of a paycheck when it became clearly obvious his advice strategy wasn't a winning one? Maybe someone in Hillary's high priced campaign should've looked at the rise in Hillary's negatives as she was in "kitchen sink mode". They would've seen what the rest of us saw: It wasn't working.

This can go on and on, but the fact is, Hillary spend $212,000,000 to lose.
The bar was raised pretty high on spending by Obama. To compete, she had to spend big. Like I said, this has been the tone of this campaign, he is fluffed up while she is trashed.
 
I just want to ask, where all the women's libbers speaking up for Hillary in the media?

I realize that the ones from the 1970's would be pretty old now (and we don't need to see 60 year old women burning their Bras!) I just don't know why there isn't more of an outrage over Hillary's treatment.
 
I just want to ask, where all the women's libbers speaking up for Hillary in the media?

I realize that the ones from the 1970's would be pretty old now (and we don't need to see 60 year old women burning their Bras!) I just don't know why there isn't more of an outrage over Hillary's treatment.

FYI, feminism was never about blindly following. It was about choice. Many feminists, myself included, never saw Hillary as a feminist icon.

Hillary made her choices in her campaign and many feminists rejected those choices. That's what feminism was all about.

Btw, how many among Hillary's supporters decry the fact that blacks supported Obama overwhelmingly as somehow being wrong, but expected women to follow Hillary no matter what? You can't have it both ways.
 
FYI, feminism was never about blindly following. It was about choice. Many feminists, myself included, never saw Hillary as a feminist icon.

Hillary made her choices in her campaign and many feminists rejected those choices. That's what feminism was all about.

Btw, how many among Hillary's supporters decry the fact that blacks supported Obama overwhelmingly as somehow being wrong, but expected women to follow Hillary no matter what? You can't have it both ways.

I dont recall anyone here or much anywhere else complaining that Obama got most of the black vote....we were complaining that anytime we said that we were being called racist for saying it...

Never complainded about woman following Hillary either...only that when we stated it it was because the woman that were doing it were either racist or just voting for her because she was a woman....
 
FYI, feminism was never about blindly following. It was about choice. Many feminists, myself included, never saw Hillary as a feminist icon.

Hillary made her choices in her campaign and many feminists rejected those choices. That's what feminism was all about.

Btw, how many among Hillary's supporters decry the fact that blacks supported Obama overwhelmingly as somehow being wrong, but expected women to follow Hillary no matter what? You can't have it both ways.

As I stated all along, I would hope that people would pick the best canidate and not pick someone because of their race or gender. I picked Hillary because I thought she was and still belive she is the best canidate, not because she is female. It has nothing to do with feminism. When I see her being treated differently, that is when I get outraged.
 
I just want to ask, where all the women's libbers speaking up for Hillary in the media?

I realize that the ones from the 1970's would be pretty old now (and we don't need to see 60 year old women burning their Bras!) I just don't know why there isn't more of an outrage over Hillary's treatment.

I've heard commentators suggest that the feminist movement was so successful, that younger women already feel like equal counterparts with their male contemporaries.

As to the media bias? I couldn't believe what I heard on Saturday. I was with Dad, who was watching ABC - they broke into regular programming to broadcast Hillary's speech.

They then - after 10 minutes - cut her off and started commenting on it! I couldn't believe it!

It took me 5 minutes to realize that she was still speaking - and then they go to the commentator in the room - who is speaking to them, as Hillary is still speaking!

Their commentary? It was a great speech - but there's some people there booing Obama. It was all about the negative angle - not at all about the speech itself.

Then we switch to CNN, she's still speaking - and is enthusiastically endorsing Obama.

I thought it was a perfect example how the media (ABC) was trying to spin the story........
 
I've heard commentators suggest that the feminist movement was so successful, that younger women already feel like equal counterparts with their male contemporaries.

As to the media bias? I couldn't believe what I heard on Saturday. I was with Dad, who was watching ABC - they broke into regular programming to broadcast Hillary's speech.

They then - after 10 minutes - cut her off and started commenting on it! I couldn't believe it!

It took me 5 minutes to realize that she was still speaking - and then they go to the commentator in the room - who is speaking to them, as Hillary is still speaking!

Their commentary? It was a great speech - but there's some people there booing Obama. It was all about the negative angle - not at all about the speech itself.

Then we switch to CNN, she's still speaking - and is enthusiastically endorsing Obama.

I thought it was a perfect example how the media (ABC) was trying to spin the story........

She was trashed on MSNBC too. I'm amazed at the lack of respect by most media.
 
Anyone know where I can find a link to the whole speech? I got to see it, but my mom missed it. She was very disappointed and has only seen clips.
 
I should have realized that they'd have it there. Duh. Thanks. I sent her the link.
 
Some of the states where Obama had huge crowds (Ohio, Penn, Texas) he lost to Clinton. That means nothing. I don't think anyone will claim he isn't strong in Metro areas.

Right. Crowds don't mean much. I found out the hard way.

Remember this?

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And this?

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I was so SURE of a BIG Kerry/Edwards victory after seeing those crowds. Those things dont fool me anymore.
 
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