Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

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Yeah...it's me that's causing the division. :sad2: Maybe you could point out the last insult I gave to someone specifically - by name - on this or any other thread. :rolleyes:

Also, you might want to check out board rules. Last I checked, personal attacks were anathema on this board. Not that I would report it, but someone else might.

You reported me...a DIS mod let me know that and when you did not only did I get points for my statemenst to you ...you were also given points...so yes you do report.

I love how you are always asking for us to find a thread where you do this :lmao: Like we are going to waist most of our time hunting it down. Some have called you on it however on other threads. We already know how you play your game. We are not stupid. Sorry wvrevy but we have your number:thumbsup2
 
Yeah...it's me that's causing the division. :sad2: Maybe you could point out the last insult I gave to someone specifically - by name - on this or any other thread. :rolleyes:

Enough. I like this thread and really do not want it closed. Please play nice or go play somewhere else (preferably the Obama thread). :mad:
 
Enough. I like this thread and really do not want it closed. Please play nice or go play somewhere else (preferably the Obama thread). :mad:

It wasn't me throwing around the insults. I'd suggest you direct your comments to the person that was doing so.
 

Yeah...it's me that's causing the division. :sad2: Maybe you could point out the last insult I gave to someone specifically - by name - on this or any other thread. :rolleyes:

Also, you might want to check out board rules. Last I checked, personal attacks were anathema on this board. Not that I would report it, but someone else might.

You know what - you are right - you have not directly attacked a person or called anyone names specifically.

But you are a smart guy Rev - you have to know that tone can speak so loud without having to say a word. (Holy carp - what am I writing a greeting card??? I digress.)

Seriously though, on many occasions during this election cycle I have been left with the impression that my support for Hillary makes me a bigot, stupid, a racist, a neo-con, uneducated, illogical and flat out dismissed. I am sure I could go on with a little research. And although I am addressing you, by no means am I calling you out. This has come from many directions on this board and others as well as in the media and people IRL.

Contrary to what some might like to believe - I am an intelligent and educated woman who has chosen her candidate based on many factors - none of which include any of the above attributes. I do not like being made to feel like I am some kind of intellectual and moral inferior because my choice is different from yours (general "you"' of course).

I also do not like to hear the name calling and character vilification towards my choice. Hildebeast etc... Name one name that the HS use for Obama that is derogatory as that. Obama's supporters may think that he has chosen to take some kind of political highroad (up to debate) - but they apparently did not make the same choice. There are SOME (note: some has been bolded, underlined and italicized to emphasis the idea of not all but some.) OS that sound EXACTLY like the neo-cons during the Clinton years when they speak about the Clintons now.

So - forgive me when I (and possibly others although I would never presume to speak for anyone) get a little testy over things that the OS say here.
 
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While I am an OS, I do not engage in slander of anyone for their choice. Heck, my parents are republican for cryin out loud. They voted for RON PAUL today.

But on the OS side, we have been called elitist, latte drinking (I hate coffee), kool aid drinking, blind, unrealistic and others by people on this board so HS are not the only ones being called names for supporting their candidate. Obama has also been called a "boy", the anitchrist and others. I will say that the hilldebeast name is vile and should never be used.
I am also a woman who has educated herself on the issues and the people running. I feel that Obama is the better candidate for a lot of reasons. I have also been made to feel a lot of things for chosing Obama - a traitor to my sex for not picking Hillary, a follower for falling for Obama's "pretty speeches", trying to make up for racism because I happen to be white and many others.


However, I do like coming over here to see what makes you guys support her. And as far as I am concerned as long as you vote based on issues and have learned what the candidates stand for, please vote. But if it is based on lies and who to have a beer with - stay home.

We all have been made to feel defensive of our choices and I can only hope that when this is all over the democrats can come together and kick the republicans out of office.

Thanks for letting me come by and say hi. :flower3:
 
Ok...my last post for a while over here, I promise (but, hopefully, at least some of you will appreciate what I have to say below):

You know what - you are right - you have not directly attacked a person or called anyone names specifically.

But you are a smart guy Rev - you have to know that tone can speak so loud without having to say a word. (Holy carp - what am I writing a greeting card??? I digress.)

Which I think is part of the problem, frankly. I tend to be the sarcastic sort (which I'm sure comes as a terrible shock ;) ), so a lot of times my comments are not meant in the "tone" that people may be reading them. I honestly hold no animosity towards the vast majority of the people on this thread.

Seriously though, on many occasions during this election cycle I have been left with the impression that my support for Hillary makes me a bigot, stupid, a racist, a neo-con, uneducated, illogical and flat out dismissed. I am sure I could go on with a little research. And although I am addressing you, by no means am I calling you out. This has come from many directions on this board and others as well as in the media and people IRL.

I really have tried - here and in other places - to ensure that I have stated that I do understand people that have chosen to support Hillary's bid for the presidency. This largely comes down to a matter of opinion, not facts...which means that it's perfectly understandable how two intelligent, well-informed people can look at the two candidates and come to two completely different decisions. It's really just a matter of personal preference, and has very little to do with racism or anything else, including misogyny. Are there bigoted Hillary supporters? Of course...and there are just as many misogynist Obama supporters (and keep in mind, I'm not referring to people on this board). But please don't think that I'm including you (and I mean that to you, punkin, and others I've disagreed with here) among that group. Believe me, that's never been my intention.

Contrary to what some might like to believe - I am an intelligent and educated woman who has chosen her candidate based on many factors - none of which include any of the above attributes. I do not like being made to feel like I am some kind of intellectual and moral inferior because my choice is different from yours (general "you"' of course).

Yeah...but you are from Florida. ;) Kidding, kidding...please don't shoot. :teeth:

Seriously, though...I honestly hope I haven't made you or anyone else feel that way, as I certainly don't believe you are any of those things. Heck...I've had a lot of fun picking on the Cons with you and several others on this thread. :)

I also do not like to hear the name calling and character vilification towards my choice. Hildebeast etc... Name one name that the HS use for Obama that is derogatory as that. Obama's supporters may think that he has chosen to take some kind of political highroad (up to debate) - but they apparently did not make the same choice. There are SOME (note: some has been bolded, underlined and italicized to emphasis the idea of not all but some.) OS that sound EXACTLY like the neo-cons during the Clinton years when they speak about the Clintons now.

That kind of thing doesn't bother me in the least. What I've consistently had a problem with has been the attacks not on Obama, but on us, the people that support him. Going back to the "kool aid" and "cult" references and right up through being told to "get a clue" (as if, just as you said, I am somehow uninformed about the process). The attacks coming on the Obama thread are directed towards HILLARY, for what we feel are her underhanded tactics in attempt to win the nomination. That is simply not the case here. I've seen quite a few people say they "don't trust" Obama, but have yet to see a single reason why that is the case, other than some vague reference to Rev. Wright. I've got a lot bigger problem with that kind of thing than with any silly name calling towards the candidates.

So - forgive me when I (and possibly others although I would never presume to speak for anyone) get a little testy over things that the OS say here.

Again, most of what I've seen from Obama supporters has been trying to defend themselves from the slurs being thrown around over here about us. As I've told a couple other Hillary supporters here privately, if the more reasonable people would step up and simply point out that attacks on fellow Democrats aren't helping Hillary, and they are hurting the party, then none of us would feel the need to do so. Oh, we might still post here occasionally, but things would be one heckuva lot more civil between the two sides.

Ok...now I'm gonna go away so you guys can have your thread back. (Please...hold your applause ;) ) Have fun. :thumbsup2
 
While I am an OS, I do not engage in slander of anyone for their choice. Heck, my parents are republican for cryin out loud. They voted for RON PAUL today.

But on the OS side, we have been called elitist, latte drinking (I hate coffee), kool aid drinking, blind, unrealistic and others by people on this board so HS are not the only ones being called names for supporting their candidate. Obama has also been called a "boy", the anitchrist and others. I will say that the hilldebeast name is vile and should never be used.
I am also a woman who has educated herself on the issues and the people running. I feel that Obama is the better candidate for a lot of reasons. I have also been made to feel a lot of things for chosing Obama - a traitor to my sex for not picking Hillary, a follower for falling for Obama's "pretty speeches", trying to make up for racism because I happen to be white and many others.


However, I do like coming over here to see what makes you guys support her. And as far as I am concerned as long as you vote based on issues and have learned what the candidates stand for, please vote. But if it is based on lies and who to have a beer with - stay home.

We all have been made to feel defensive of our choices and I can only hope that when this is all over the democrats can come together and kick the republicans out of office.

Thanks for letting me come by and say hi. :flower3:

:flower3: :hug: thanks for your input...it is appreciated :thumbsup2
 
[QUOTE="Got Disney";24952521]:flower3: :hug: thanks for your input...it is appreciated :thumbsup2[/QUOTE]

Hey Got Disney, It's been a long road to now, it'll be a long road till Nov, I just want both Democratic threads to do well...without any troubles. I've found the last week or so sad, and don't want to miss anyone else. :flower3:
 
Ummm....no. A few months ago, sure...though it wasn't a secret. But since she went to the kitchen sink? Not so much.


The kitchen sink is what she THREW.....she "went" to the mattresses. While BO continues to bore with his pedantic platitudes.

The dude really.....ahhhhh......likes to .......uhhhh......talk alot....ahhhh....without really.....uhhhhh....saying anything.

:)
 
Hey Got Disney, It's been a long road to now, it'll be a long road till Nov, I just want both Democratic threads to do well...without any troubles. I've found the last week or so sad, and don't want to miss anyone else. :flower3:

same here and you can call me Robin :thumbsup2
 
I'm on my way to pick up my daughter. In a few hours, my beautiful daughter will be dressed in a gorgeous formal gown, and she'll be standing on stage at the Meyerson, singing her heart out.

And the only thing I can think about is that I can't wait that long to find out if Hillary is winning or losing.

I'm so pathetic. :lmao:

Good luck everyone! I'll be with ya in spirit even if I'm not on line!

GO HILLARY!!!! :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2:
 
I'm on my way to pick up my daughter. In a few hours, my beautiful daughter will be dressed in a gorgeous formal gown, and she'll be standing on stage at the Meyerson, singing her heart out.

And the only thing I can think about is that I can't wait that long to find out if Hillary is winning or losing.

I'm so pathetic. :lmao:

Good luck everyone! I'll be with ya in spirit even if I'm not on line!

GO HILLARY!!!! :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2:

Tell your daughter to break a leg. :thumbsup2
 
Yeah...it's me that's causing the division. :sad2: Maybe you could point out the last insult I gave to someone specifically - by name - on this or any other thread. :rolleyes:

Also, you might want to check out board rules. Last I checked, personal attacks were anathema on this board. Not that I would report it, but someone else might.

I do owe you an apology! After being away from the board and playing outside with the kids, I came back in and reread the posts. It's one of those moments, where I just didn't know why I wrote what I did. I'm sorry I attacked you. :flower3: If anyone reported me, I wouldn't be upset by it...then I would deserve points by those remarks.

You are not responsible for the division in the party, but your comments to me were like this :stir: It's nothing we haven't heard before over and over again. We know where the #'s are and where we would hope they would be as supporters of Clinton. Doesn't make us right or wrong, it just makes us strong supporters of our candidate. I know you're very passionate about Senator Obama. I don't hate the man and I would vote for him over the other side. I'm just hoping it won't come to that.

You don't have to leave, just don't constantly fling stuff in our face that every article and detail (even as skewed as you think they are) is completely wrong. Where's that beating a dead horse thing when you need it?

Truce?
 
I've seen quite a few people say they "don't trust" Obama, but have yet to see a single reason why that is the case, other than some vague reference to Rev. Wright. I've got a lot bigger problem with that kind of thing than with any silly name calling towards the candidates.

Last I heard, the OS wanted us to quit talking about Obama here on this thread. Didn't know you wanted us to spell it out. I'll have a go at it if you really want me to. And since these are my opinions, I want you to know I'm not stating facts. This is how my journey has gone these past few months.

I liked Obama in the beginning. I liked his message and his delivery. He's intelligent and articulate...things I look for in a candidate. He seemed to always stay calm, even under pressure and I liked that. My DS in college was working for him during the primary and obviously liked him.

But gradually, all of his speeches started to sound the same to me. And he seldom spoke about how he was going to do things. Yes, I know, it's all on his website. (I'm so tired of hearing that.) I went there and read all the hows and whys. But it was almost like he was more comfortable talking about change and we can do it and pumping his followers up. I grew tired of the same ol' thing.

Meanwhile, Hillary was talking about issues and how she'd go about making changes. I liked what I heard, so I started to lean in her direction. After all, her stands on issues are very close to his. I liked her take on the health care plan better than his. I liked what she had to say about making college more affordable. And I liked the fact that she has more experience. Yes, I know, Obama has experience too. But I think talking about her experiences and his are like comparing apples to oranges. I think she has more experience that will help her hit the ground running. My opinion, remember?

Then there were the debates. In debates, he didn't hold up as well as in his speeches. He often would say his take on an issue was pretty much like Hillary's answer. In the last debate, he didn't handle the questions well at all. I know, that's a hot button for some of the OS. They think the questions were not important issues. I think seeing how he did under pressure was even more interesting than his answers. He seemed uncomfortable and his feathers got ruffled. Then he refused to have any more debates. I've seen Hillary handle tough questions and she's not afraid to do it again. In fact, I think she thrives on debating. She seems to look like she's enjoying it most of the time. Whoever gets the Democratic nod better be ready to face tough questions from the Republicans. I think Hillary can and will.

Then there are several issues that have come up during the last few months. I think there may be skeletons in Obama's closet. I've heard some things that may not be true, but they make me nervous. Yes, Hillary has had her skeletons too. But most of them have seen the light of day...old news. Obama's are new. Fresh meat for the Republicans. That's not entirely his fault, but it's true.

Then there was Rev. Wright. Obama handled it, finally. Giving him the benefit of the doubt...if he really didn't know that Rev. Wright held those beliefs and if he doesn't agree, why didn't he quit that church immediately when this story broke? I believe he knew. Those clips I watched were not of a congregation shocked to hear what their minister was saying. They'd heard it before and they agreed with him. I know if my priest said those things it would spread through the congregation like wildfire. Everyone would know, even if they weren't in the pews that Sunday. I'm not racist. But I'm beginning to be offended that it's acceptable for a man to say the kinds of things he said, but if I said those things about African Americans I would be drawn and quartered. And yes, these were not things Obama said, but he did say some things that offended me. Things like "typical white woman". Put them together and it makes me nervous. I want a black president. I just want one that is going to pull us together more. I want unity, not more division.

I'm tired of the "I'm different. I'm not your usual politician." I see a very intelligent politician before me. I think he's just giving lip service to what he thinks his people want to hear. That's okay. Just don't tell me you're different if you're same ol' same ol'. (And he's using attack ads just as much as Hillary, from what I've seen, so he's not above that either.) Makes me nervous when he claims to be what my gut tells me he is not.

Finally, I don't think he can beat McCain. I think we need the best Democrat out there, that has the best chance of winning the election.

So, that pretty much explains where I'm coming from. You can say that I'm wrong....don't have my facts straight. But I've listened to both sides of each issue. I finally landed with both feet in Hillary's camp. This is where I intend to stay unless Obama gets the nod.
 
Results from Indiana are starting to come in.
 
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