Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

[jacksonsmom]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";24949118]Hooo Hummmm....sigh also.....It irritates me when they say they don't want to upset the black voters...why not just say Obama voters will be upset as well a Hillary's supporters.

When they use the term "Black voters" that is racist to me. we white folks must not upset the black folks because that would be politically incorrect to due so. They run the risk of Obama supporters not coming out and Hillary's supporters not coming out.

It will be hard for me to vote for Obama because I just don't like him and I feel the same way about his wife. I think she is a racist and also a anti American ( to a point) in wolfs clothing. I cant see me voting McCain unless he makes me have a WOW moment but don't see that happening.

Funny how we have come a long way from loving both candidates to not.
And don't forget even if Obama gets the nomination and if he looses it will all be Hillary's fault because she did not get out of the race when it started...like the first week None of this will be Obamas fault because he is a great leader and the uniter. Geesh....in addition if McCain does a bad job as POTUS that will also be Hilliary's fault because if she got out than McCain would not be in and Obama would have been our President instead...so either way there will be no happiness among the OS...So why not just put Hillary in and avoid all that..that's HOW I ROLL [/QUOTE]

I hate that statement too. It just stinks of racist yet no one will admit it.

I say if the SDs are stupid enough to put Obama as the candidate then the Dems DESERVE to lose the election to McCain.
I am a pretty hard Dem, I even supported Mondale when he ran against Reagan , but I can not and will not throw ANY support behind Obama. I plain and simple do not like the guy, I don't trust the guy, he will say anything to get elected and I can not stand his wife even more. yes I know all polictians will say anything to get elected but at least they don't pretend to not be a normal polictian! Obama preaches all this "new way" "hope and change" and I haven't seen a bit of it!

I keep saying the good thing is if Obama gets the nom, he will lose to McCain and then hopefully we won't have to deal with him any more
He will be a thing of the past

 

[wvjules]

Did the Obama thread disappear? Just trying to figure out why wvrevy is the 3rd highest poster on the HILLARY thread.

 

[jacksonsmom]

Did the Obama thread disappear? Just trying to figure out why wvrevy is the 3rd highest poster on the HILLARY thread.

Maybe they secretly support Hillary

 

[kinntj]

I found you guys!

Lots of great articles to read from you guys...thanks! This is the only way I catch up on stuff going on with the primaries. I should be done studying for finals tomorrow, so I'll be able to get ready for our vacation!

 

["Got Disney"]

Did the Obama thread disappear? Just trying to figure out why wvrevy is the 3rd highest poster on the HILLARY thread.

Thats funny how did you figure that ou by his file?

 

[TexasErin]

Just checking in to say "GO HILLARY!" I hope and pray she at least ties Obama in NC and wins BIG in Indiana!

 

["Got Disney"]

I found you guys!

Lots of great articles to read from you guys...thanks! This is the only way I catch up on stuff going on with the primaries. I should be done studying for finals tomorrow, so I'll be able to get ready for our vacation!

I see you only have 4 days left before you leave Bet your excited!!! mostly to leave after finals...and not to have to worry about them or miss anything. Have a great time and sure wish I was going with you

 

[wvrevy]

Did the Obama thread disappear? Just trying to figure out why wvrevy is the 3rd highest poster on the HILLARY thread.

Nah...it's still there. Just thought I'd step in to correct some misinformation, and it seems some people weren't very happy about that.

Maybe they secretly support Hillary

Ummm....no. A few months ago, sure...though it wasn't a secret. But since she went to the kitchen sink? Not so much.

 

["Got Disney"]

Just checking in to say "GO HILLARY!" I hope and pray she at least ties Obama in NC and wins BIG in Indiana!

GO HILLARY

 

[MerryPoppins]

I guess it is OK if the female vote feels disenfranchised if Obama is the nominee.....

Exactly what I was thinking. GMTA!

Just stopping by to say I'm cheering our girl on today.

Come on Hillary!

 

[MyManGoofy!]

I guess it is OK if the female vote feels disenfranchised if Obama is the nominee.....

Misogyny is alive and well.

 

[MyManGoofy!]

Nah...it's still there. Just thought I'd step in to correct some misinformation, and it seems some people weren't very happy about that.



Ummm....no. A few months ago, sure...though it wasn't a secret. But since she went to the kitchen sink? Not so much.

For goodness sake - Obama has his kitchen sink too. Probably just has a more upscale and urban look - like a man purse?

 

[wvrevy]

For goodness sake - Obama has his kitchen sink too. Probably just has a more upscale and urban look - like a man purse?

Rather than debate, the point, I'm still waiting on someone to explain exactly how women would be "disenfranchised" if the nomination went to the person with the most states won, the most delegates, and the most votes. I don't understand how that would be "disenfranchising" anyone.

 

["Got Disney"]

For goodness sake - Obama has his kitchen sink too. Probably just has a more upscale and urban look - like a man purse?

Rather than debate, the point, I'm still waiting on someone to explain exactly how women would be "disenfranchised" if the nomination went to the person with the most states won, the most delegates, and the most votes. I don't understand how that would be "disenfranchising" anyone.

I think the reasoning was that is not okay to upset the black voters, Obamas biggest voters...but it is okay to do it to the woman voters(Hillarys biggest voters). In the end there will be voters upset. Cant help that either way. It is mostly a 50/50 vote so at least 50% will be hurt and dissapointed.

 

[kinntj]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";24950046]I see you only have 4 days left before you leave Bet your excited!!! mostly to leave after finals...and not to have to worry about them or miss anything. Have a great time and sure wish I was going with you[/QUOTE]

Thanks! I'm very excited. Been waiting 2 years to go.
Don't worry, the next time you go, I'll be wishing I was going too.
Since I'm planning a trip to Hawaii next, it'll be awhile before we get back to WDW. I'll have to let it all sink in this trip.

Here's to HILLARY and her victory tonight!!!!

Here's to Wvervy and that he gets a clue!!!

 

["Got Disney"]

Thanks! I'm very excited. Been waiting 2 years to go.
Don't worry, the next time you go, I'll be wishing I was going too.
Since I'm planning a trip to Hawaii next, it'll be awhile before we get back to WDW. I'll have to let it all sink in this trip.

Here's to HILLARY and her victory tonight!!!!


Here's to Wvervy and that he gets a clue!!!

I'm okay will be going to DL for 4 days with only my girl friends in July and than 7 days concierge in July than we hop on DCL for our 7 day cruise
Cant wait and have been waiting for the last year and a half.

 

[MyManGoofy!]

Interesting article by James Carville:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e22ab770-1ab8-11dd-aa67-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1

Democratic divisions will be hard to bridge

ByJames Carville

Published: May 5 2008 18:20 | Last updated: May 5 2008 18:20

The contest for the Democratic nomination is being largely portrayed as an historic confrontation between the first ever electorally-credible African American and the first ever electorally-credible woman running for president of the US. That in itself is sufficient to warrant blanket coverage, consuming interest and at times hysterical commentary on what is without question an unprecedented contest.

However, all of the coverage is missing what is most fascinating about this race. It is not the biographies of the two remaining Democratic candidates, or the number of voters who have been energised by the primary process, but the way in which the rivals are erasing and redrawing the lines of demarcation that exist within the Democratic party.

Readers should keep in mind that in parliamentary, multi-party systems in which proportional representation allows parties to cater to smaller subsets of the electorate, contradictions exist mostly within the government. However, the US two-party system makes the parties so broad that it is all but inevitable that contradictions will exist within the parties themselves.

The contradictions within the Republican party are visible on the surface and, in the view of Democrats, have delightfully led to all manner of internecine hand-wringing. The evangelical Christian and social conservatives find themselves in a marriage of convenience (does this violate a marriage’s sanctity?) with economic conservatives, who in turn wonder about the single-minded obsession of the national security-focused conservatives. Consider it as the Pat Robertson Republicans versus the Rockefeller Republicans versus the Reagan Republicans. All represent different wings of the party and, as you might guess, a bird with three wings does not fly so well.

But the Democratic party, like any family, also has its own contradictions. Although the divide is less obvious, it is still significant and is a major factor (in addition to the talent and uniqueness of our candidates) in both the closeness and the caustic nature of the Democratic primaries.

There are two main parts of the Democratic party. The first and fastest growing is what I refer to (somewhat uncreatively) as “Party A” Democrats. Party A Democrats tend to be urban or suburban. They are traditionally better educated, white, more affluent, heavily female, socially liberal and reform-oriented. Examples are candidates such as Adlai Stevenson, Eugene McCarthy, Gary Hart, Mike Dukakis, Paul Tsongas, Bill Bradley and Howard Dean.

The other side of the party is a more broad coalition of working class people who are generally less affluent, less educated and look to the federal government to soften the harsher edges of capitalism. They tend to be either urban or rural. I refer to them as “Party B” Democrats. They favour increased funding for federal programmes from Medicare to unemployment compensation to subsidised student loans. This wing of the party has included labour unions, older voters, African-Americans and non-college- educated young voters. Party B Democrats have been much more responsive to classic “I’m on your side” Democratic rhetoric. Candidates from this faction include Harry Truman, Hubert Humphrey, Walter Mondale, Bill Clinton and (uncomfortable as he seemed in this ideological space) Al Gore.

In the past, the less affluent, pro-government wing of the party has consistently won. But what makes this race so wonderfully complex and textured is that Barack Obama, an almost prototype Party A Democrat, reaches right into Party B and yanks out African-Americans – a group that makes up almost a quarter of the Democratic party. Hillary Clinton, whose message is almost exclusively Party B, pulls a significant vote among older, educated white women, who most of their lives have been firmly in the Party A camp. Those who dismiss this as identity politics fundamentally underestimate the impact – an impact that could be felt long beyond 2008 – of this contradiction within a contradiction in the traditional factions of the Democratic base.

Underlying all of this is the inevitable game of electoral chicken that is almost certain to erupt at the conclusion of the contest. The winner, with help from the loser, is not only going to have to bridge the fissures within the party but also to find a way to re-embrace those racial and gender identity voters who now find themselves aligned with a new wing of the party. If Mrs Clinton wins the nomination, do the Party B African-Americans who have embraced Mr Obama’s campaign feel comfortable remaining in the party and voting for Mrs Clinton? Conversely, are the Party A, older, college-educated white women comfortable embracing Mr Obama’s candidacy after supporting Mrs Clinton so fervently?

Only time will tell and it is certainly not as simple or easy as it seems. When you consider that African-Americans make up slightly less of the Democratic party as self-identified evangelical or social conservatives do for the Republican party (about 25 per cent), you get a sense of how serious this could be for Democrats. One can only imagine where the Republicans would be without that percentage of voters, and the same can be said of the Democrats.

As President George W. Bush could tell you, it is one thing to call yourself a uniter, it is another to actually unite people. For the Democratic nominee, it is going to be one demanding, difficult job requiring an inordinate amount of patience and skill. But then again, that is what a president has to do.

The writer, former campaign manager for President Bill Clinton’s 1992 election, now co-hosts XM Radio’s 60/20 Sports and is a CNN political contributor

I've decided that if Obama wins the nom - I'll vote for him - but I am NOT happy about it. For the first time - I will be voting against a candidate instead of for a candidate........

Rather than debate, the point, I'm still waiting on someone to explain exactly how women would be "disenfranchised" if the nomination went to the person with the most states won, the most delegates, and the most votes. I don't understand how that would be "disenfranchising" anyone.

It all stemmed from the Carville article talking about a rift in the party. Come on Rev - keep up!

 

[Uncle Remus]

Lots of talk about the black voters supporting Obama, shall we disenfranchise these voters?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRZ_AJRQHNc

 

[wvrevy]

It all stemmed from the Carville article talking about a rift in the party. Come on Rev - keep up!

Ah, but a "rift" isn't disenfranchisement. Basically, Carville is saying that one group or the other is going to have to deal with their candidate losing, and those two groups are not the "usual suspects" in the Democratic Party.

There is a video floating around out there of Carille giving this speech, and I highly recommend it. He's thoroughly ticked me off at times, but the guy really is a brilliant strategist and political mind.

 

[wvrevy]

Here's to Wvervy and that he gets a clue!!!

Yeah...it's me that's causing the division. Maybe you could point out the last insult I gave to someone specifically - by name - on this or any other thread.

Also, you might want to check out board rules. Last I checked, personal attacks were anathema on this board. Not that I would report it, but someone else might.