Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

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Nope, haven't changed my stance. I will be voting for McCain come November (unless a REALLY good Independent comes into play)
I am more of a moderate Democrat so voting for McCain won't be SO bad ;)

I figure I have two choices; One vote for Obama or two vote for McCain. I don't trust Obama and think he will mess up this country more then it already is so I can not in good faith vote for Obama. I don't have much trust in McCain either but at least he has been around the block and doesn't claim to be a "different" politician. :rolleyes1

Obama's true colors are coming out. I just read in my newspaper some people that voted for him in the primaries are now rethinking that vote.
I say I few months too late! :headache: Now we have a crummy Democrat candidate!
 
Those Republicans who don't like McCain - have a second choice - Bob Barr. Ugh - even "I" might leave the country if he got in!

Those Dems who don't like Obama - have a choice in either Raplh Nader (shudder) or Cynthia McKinney (for the Green party).

Right now - I'm voting for Obama - still hoping he chooses Clinton as a running mate (though all indications say that's a no go).

So I'll see how the campaign plays out and who the VP choices are.

It bums me out that as a lifelong democrat - its the first time - I'm not 100% behind our candidate.......
 
Those Republicans who don't like McCain - have a second choice - Bob Barr. Ugh - even "I" might leave the country if he got in!

Those Dems who don't like Obama - have a choice in either Raplh Nader (shudder) or Cynthia McKinney (for the Green party).

Man, there isn't a good choice anywhere, is there? :sad2: Out of all the people to run this country these (plus Obama and McCain) are our choices?!?! :scared1:

I will be honest and say I don't know much about McKinney, so I can't quite group her with everyone yet.

I think we need a do-over!

I am fed up with the Presidental election and my local Senate race. Now rumor flying around is Jesse Ventura may run as an Independent in the Senate race :scared1: :sad2: :sick: :scared1: :scared:
I thought I was done with Jesse when his governor term was up!
Something tells me if Jesse runs he will win :scared: I swear, He is more crazier everyday :scared1:
 
Man, there isn't a good choice anywhere, is there? :sad2: Out of all the people to run this country these (plus Obama and McCain) are our choices?!?! :scared1:

I will be honest and say I don't know much about McKinney, so I can't quite group her with everyone yet.

I think we need a do-over!

I am fed up with the Presidental election and my local Senate race. Now rumor flying around is Jesse Ventura may run as an Independent in the Senate race :scared1: :sad2: :sick: :scared1: :scared:
I thought I was done with Jesse when his governor term was up!
Something tells me if Jesse runs he will win :scared: I swear, He is more crazier everyday :scared1:

Just read - Jesse's not running! Maybe Al Franken can use humor to get things done in the Senate!? :)
 

I don't know much of anything about McKinney either. I kind of like the Green Party but I figure a vote for them is pretty much pointless. What we need is more strong parties.
 
Man, there isn't a good choice anywhere, is there? :sad2: Out of all the people to run this country these (plus Obama and McCain) are our choices?!?! :scared1:

I will be honest and say I don't know much about McKinney, so I can't quite group her with everyone yet.

I think we need a do-over!

I am fed up with the Presidental election and my local Senate race. Now rumor flying around is Jesse Ventura may run as an Independent in the Senate race :scared1: :sad2: :sick: :scared1: :scared:
I thought I was done with Jesse when his governor term was up!
Something tells me if Jesse runs he will win :scared: I swear, He is more crazier everyday :scared1:

I was just watching Larry King with Ventura on as a guest.....as my dad always use to say " the world is going to hell in a hand basket"...what ever that means :rotfl2:

Thanks for the Welcome back...it was nice
 
Just read - Jesse's not running! Maybe Al Franken can use humor to get things done in the Senate!? :)

I heard that last night! :cool1: :woohoo:

I am so glad he isn't running. I never liked the guy and was so disappointed when he was elected governor. I think he is even more crazier now then when he was governor. The guy has a few screws loose.

I am not a Franken fan at all, so I feel the same way about our local Senate race as I do with our Presidential race~crummy candidates :sad2:

I have no idea what I am going to do as far as our Senate race, won't vote for Coleman, don't really like Franken....waiting to see who the Indenpendent person will be, but don't have high hopes for someone good.

Usually I am excited come election years, but this year it seems like just one big headache of crummy candidates.

At least Jesse Ventura isn't running....now THAT I can be happy about ;)
 
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Hey all you Hillary supporters!

I haven't really been on any political threads lately. Both candidates right now are just not up to par. Obama seems to throw himself down notches and I wasn't going to vote for McCain either way. The news is mostly painful to watch when it comes to politics. Will probably still tow the democratic line, but it'll be hard this year to do that.

Anywho, just busy taking my mom to the Dr's office and she was told hospice is in her near future. It's hard to drive with mom in the back seat crying. I wanted to pull over and console her, but she told me to keep driving because she was sick of sitting up. I finally was able to talk her down from it and get a real conversation going. I can understand why she broke down like that. At the Dr's, even my mouth dropped open from shock of hearing it.

DISUNC-Sounds like you had a wonderful time in WDW and US! What a vacation. 2 weeks, I'm jealous! I hope next time, we'll be able to go longer than 6 nights. The kids ask me at least every other day when we'll go back.

I was given points for being rude last night, so I may have to stay off the Community board, just to have those points expire in 15 days. Going to have to watch my p's and q's. I don't know how I'm going to do that, they seem to run around like crazy lately.

Oh well, talk later about all the great politics going on...yeah, right.
 
Hey all you Hillary supporters!



Anywho, just busy taking my mom to the Dr's office and she was told hospice is in her near future. It's hard to drive with mom in the back seat crying. I wanted to pull over and console her, but she told me to keep driving because she was sick of sitting up. I finally was able to talk her down from it and get a real conversation going. I can understand why she broke down like that. At the Dr's, even my mouth dropped open from shock of hearing it.
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I am sorry about your mom :(

Take care of yourself
 
Hey guys… there is a little chatter going on that some of the SD’s are seriously considering switching back to Hillary and vote for her at the convention should the DNC hold a fair convention and put her name on the ballot and role call like their supposed to. (But, hey, when does the DNC ever follow the rules??)

This is one of the primary reasons that the Obama campaign and the DNC (Brazile, Dean) don’t want Hillary’s name on the ballot: remember, the only reason that Obama is the current Dem nod is because enough SD’s have publically stated that they’ll vote for him at the convention. But that vote has not yet been cast. As of today, neither Hillary nor Obama have enough regular delegates to clinch that nomination. There is no true nominee at this point, despite how much Obama likes to pretend otherwise. Should the SD’s vote for Hillary at the convention she could very well end up being the Democratic nominee.

I don’t know if enough SD’s are on the fence right now to make a difference … but if Obama continues on with his current destructive path, maybe there could be an upset at the convention next month.
 
Anywho, just busy taking my mom to the Dr's office and she was told hospice is in her near future. It's hard to drive with mom in the back seat crying. I wanted to pull over and console her, but she told me to keep driving because she was sick of sitting up. I finally was able to talk her down from it and get a real conversation going. I can understand why she broke down like that. At the Dr's, even my mouth dropped open from shock of hearing it.

kinntj, I'm so sorry. That's rough. :hug: You and your mom are in my thoughts and prayers.
 
It was asked where we stood for who we’re going to vote for.

As of today, I will vote for John McCain. (I don't think anyone is surprised by that statment. :rolleyes: ) I hope that I still feel that I can cast my vote for him come November. I do not want to sit at home and not exercise my right to vote but this is a rough election candidate wise, especially with our current economy situation and a never ending war. It’s been a little easier for this decision since I’ve begun to research his platform a bit. I wasn’t planning to vote Republican this election – I thought that the only way to create real change in this country was to elect a Democrat. Foreign policy is my main concern, along with the economy.

But ironically, it’s looking like Obama would be Bush’s 3rd term – not McCain. It’s the man, his greed, his arrogance and who he’s owing favors to that has created a horrible Bush administration – not a right wing platform. Obama is showing to share many of the same characteristic’s as Bush – just Obama falls under a left platform. Sometimes. Depends on who his audience is. I don’t know how many people I’ve heard state in regards to Obama and this election that they feel they are reliving the 2000 election with Bush.

I read Larry Johnson’s blog. Here’s a piece of his biography:

Larry C. Johnson is CEO and co-founder of BERG Associates, LLC, an
international business-consulting firm with expertise combating
terrorism and investigating money laundering. Mr. Johnson works with
US military commands in scripting terrorism exercises, briefs on
terrorist trends, and conducts undercover investigations on
counterfeiting, smuggling and money laundering.

Mr. Johnson, who worked previously with the Central Intelligence
Agency and U.S. State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism, is a
recognized expert in the fields of terrorism, aviation security,
crisis and risk management.

He had this to say on his blog today and this is one reason I cannot vote for Obama – he does not know what he is doing. He will mess up everything in this country and that scares the you know what out of me.

Barack Does Not Understand Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran
By Larry Johnson

Absolutely pathetic. Rhetoric instead of understanding. His major address on Iraq today was a flop. It is bad enough that George Bush (and John McCain) has played politics with Iraq, touting the surge as the fix instead of admitting that a change in U.S. tactics on the ground achieved the progress we are witnessing in Iraq. McCain is hooking his fortunes to Petraeus, which appears to be a pretty good bet. But Barack demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding about the military and how they are being used.

He insists that we must get out of Iraq because our Army is sapped and our troops worn out. And it is true that our military has been tremendously weakened by the war in Iraq. But then what does he propose? Moving more troops and personnel to Afghanistan. Excuse me? If we must withdraw from Iraq in order to rest and refit our troops then how does it make sense to expand military operations in Afghanistan.

In fact, how do you rebuild an Army while sending it out on a new mission that holds the real risk of a new war with Pakistan? War with Pakistan? That’s right. When Obama insists that we will root out camps in the tribal areas of the Northwest Frontier Province aka FATA (Federally Administered Tribal Areas). No two ways about it. If we send troops into Pakistan that is an act of war.

Barack ignores some key realities in Iraq.The mission of U.S. soldiers and Marines in Iraq has changed dramatically without explaining the shift to the American people. For starters U.S. troops are no longer regularly conducting raids against suspected terrorist targets that involve entering the homes of Iraqi civilians and taking Iraqis into custody. A couple of years ago our guys were kicking in doors, rousting sleeping families, and hauling off guys we suspected of helping the insurgents. That helped fuel the insurgency because the Iraqis felt violated and wanted revenge. Worse, we put the men in prison with actual insurgents and provided a easy recruitment forum that helped feed the insurgency.

The decline in violence in Iraq was achieved after U.S. commanders paid attention to intelligence, which indicated that most of the insurgent violence was carried out by unemployed Iraqis who agreed to plant bombs for cash. We started paying tribal sheikhs who in turn are paying young men, who had spent their days planting bombs against our troops, a salary to protect their villages from foreign fighters. And guess what, the violence tapered off.
Most of the U.S. military effort in Iraq is focused on training and support of Iraqi troops. We also are continuing to go after foreign fighters with success but the troops carrying out that mission are spending three months a year in Iraq, not 15 months.

Iraq has been effectively ghettoized–i.e., Sunnis and Shias are living in separate enclaves, usually protected by Iraqi troops drawn from their area. Life in those areas is returning to a level of normalcy but sectarian violence and revenge killings continue. The key for the United States is to not be in the middle of the sectarian violence.

The issue is not so much one of “pulling U.S. troops” out of Iraq. They are being withdrawn regardless of the President’s position because the mission itself has changed. What needs to be decided, and what Barack completely ignored, is what kind of relationship will we have with the Iraqi government going forward.

Will U.S. forces still be permitted to conduct unilateral operations against foreign fighter targets in Iraq? These are by and large Al Qaeda sympathizers and Sunni extremists. The Shia dominated government will likely approve such operations because it helps protect them and their people.

Are we willing to accept an Iraqi government dominated by leaders closely aligned with Iran? If we completely pull our troops out of Iraq we leave Iraq under the effective control of Iran and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. I am not advocating a war with Iran. I think we can deal with the Iranian threat thru diplomatic means. But simply pulling U.S. troops out without any thought about the consequences for Iranian influence in the region is irresponsible.
Barack also is ignoring the reality in Afghanistan. It is not a Taliban war but a tribal war. The Pashtun tribe is one of the largest in the world. It stretches from Afghanistan to Pakistan. Any strategy to counter the Taliban must focus on dealing with the tribal leaders and exploiting differences that exist within that tribe. Threatening military action in Pakistan, as Barack did today, without a clear plan puts him in the same category of George Bush, who pursued military action without a clear objective or understanding of the logistics needed to sustain the effort.

Barack’s speech today may have made sense in October 2002, but it is an inadequate, poorly thought out strategy for 2009 and ahead.
 
Hey all you Hillary supporters!

I haven't really been on any political threads lately. Both candidates right now are just not up to par. Obama seems to throw himself down notches and I wasn't going to vote for McCain either way. The news is mostly painful to watch when it comes to politics. Will probably still tow the democratic line, but it'll be hard this year to do that.

Anywho, just busy taking my mom to the Dr's office and she was told hospice is in her near future. It's hard to drive with mom in the back seat crying. I wanted to pull over and console her, but she told me to keep driving because she was sick of sitting up. I finally was able to talk her down from it and get a real conversation going. I can understand why she broke down like that. At the Dr's, even my mouth dropped open from shock of hearing it.

DISUNC-Sounds like you had a wonderful time in WDW and US! What a vacation. 2 weeks, I'm jealous! I hope next time, we'll be able to go longer than 6 nights. The kids ask me at least every other day when we'll go back.

I was given points for being rude last night, so I may have to stay off the Community board, just to have those points expire in 15 days. Going to have to watch my p's and q's. I don't know how I'm going to do that, they seem to run around like crazy lately.

Oh well, talk later about all the great politics going on...yeah, right.


:hug: Sorry to hear about your Mom.:flower3:

This was my first 2 weeker ever!:yay: Very nice.
Dont know when I will be back, it was sooooooooooooooo difficult to get away from work, and get Caretakers for the parents in!:headache: :headache:

They all survived ..BUT the telephone calls three times a day were :headache: :headache: :headache: ! (and a left list for everrrything..well except how to set up the HD tv when they all pushed all the wrong remotes.)

They had a 13 in picture on a 55 inch TV. I dont know WHAT THEY DID!:confused3 :lmao:
 
Anywho, just busy taking my mom to the Dr's office and she was told hospice is in her near future. It's hard to drive with mom in the back seat crying. I wanted to pull over and console her, but she told me to keep driving because she was sick of sitting up. I finally was able to talk her down from it and get a real conversation going. I can understand why she broke down like that. At the Dr's, even my mouth dropped open from shock of hearing it.

So sorry to hear this.

My Mom recently passed in May - we are still in shock from it and find it hard to really believe.

Speaking from experience, try to be with your Mom and imprint these days with her to your memory.

We all thought Mom was going to recover, and didn't really get to say goodbye or tell her how much we loved her.....

And yeah - at times like these - politics is that last thing that's important.

:hug:
 
Kinntj...sorry to here about your Mom....and your family's hardship about her....you will be in my prayers...

So today I am back to voting for McCain.....:rotfl2: talk about flip flopping :lmao: ...I feel that we need to be drilling and everything else.....my republican side says we need to do all we can do to set our selves up for the now and the future....and I am all for signing the petition to have Pelosi removed.

the more I listen to Obama the more I hear him saying....UMMMMM......popcorn::
I wonder if when the time comes to vote maybe I should just go enie meanie miney Moe....:confused3 :goodvibes
 
Hey guys… there is a little chatter going on that some of the SD’s are seriously considering switching back to Hillary and vote for her at the convention should the DNC hold a fair convention and put her name on the ballot and role call like their supposed to. (But, hey, when does the DNC ever follow the rules??)

This is one of the primary reasons that the Obama campaign and the DNC (Brazile, Dean) don’t want Hillary’s name on the ballot: remember, the only reason that Obama is the current Dem nod is because enough SD’s have publically stated that they’ll vote for him at the convention. But that vote has not yet been cast. As of today, neither Hillary nor Obama have enough regular delegates to clinch that nomination. There is no true nominee at this point, despite how much Obama likes to pretend otherwise. Should the SD’s vote for Hillary at the convention she could very well end up being the Democratic nominee.
I don’t know if enough SD’s are on the fence right now to make a difference … but if Obama continues on with his current destructive path, maybe there could be an upset at the convention next month.

Oh my, if that was to happen I would be doing the biggest happy dance :dance3: :cool1:

I seriously doubt that would happen though --- can you imagine the uproar of the Obama supporters! :scared1:
 
Oh my, if that was to happen I would be doing the biggest happy dance :dance3: :cool1:

I seriously doubt that would happen though --- can you imagine the uproar of the Obama supporters! :scared1:

Umm, let's see- they'll stamp their feet and refuse to vote for Hillary out of spite?
 
Umm, let's see- they'll stamp their feet and refuse to vote for Hillary out of spite?
nope. I'd vote for Hillary if she got the nomination.

Unlike the PUMA set (who have made it really hard for me to wear my favorite pair of shoes ;) ), I do believe in party unity, and personally don't understand how someone that was once a Hillary supporter can genuinely and honestly go for McCain. It's like saying, I want a glass of wine... and then drinking motor oil.
 
nope. I'd vote for Hillary if she got the nomination.

Unlike the PUMA set (who have made it really hard for me to wear my favorite pair of shoes ;) ), I do believe in party unity, and personally don't understand how someone that was once a Hillary supporter can genuinely and honestly go for McCain. It's like saying, I want a glass of wine... and then drinking motor oil.


Me, too of course. But if Hillary did get the nomination, I will be interested to see how the McCain supporting Hillaryites try to sell her to any disgruntled Obama supporters now that they have convinced themselves that the Supreme Court nominations mean ****, McCain really is a good guy, etc. etc
 
Hey all I'm sorry I haven't been on this thread much. Politics has really been a sore subject for me. I prefer to focus on my own two week Disney getaway:cloud9: Glad you had a good time Disunc!

It bums me out that as a lifelong democrat - its the first time - I'm not 100% behind our candidate.......

I feel ya. I'm not even 1% behind our candidate. I think he's a disaster in the making.

Hey guys… there is a little chatter going on that some of the SD’s are seriously considering switching back to Hillary and vote for her at the convention should the DNC hold a fair convention and put her name on the ballot and role call like their supposed to. (But, hey, when does the DNC ever follow the rules??)

This is one of the primary reasons that the Obama campaign and the DNC (Brazile, Dean) don’t want Hillary’s name on the ballot: remember, the only reason that Obama is the current Dem nod is because enough SD’s have publically stated that they’ll vote for him at the convention. But that vote has not yet been cast. As of today, neither Hillary nor Obama have enough regular delegates to clinch that nomination. There is no true nominee at this point, despite how much Obama likes to pretend otherwise. Should the SD’s vote for Hillary at the convention she could very well end up being the Democratic nominee.

I don’t know if enough SD’s are on the fence right now to make a difference … but if Obama continues on with his current destructive path, maybe there could be an upset at the convention next month.

I've heard this too. One of my clients who is really involved in politics quoted me a number of 151 supers are all that need to flip for this "nomination" to be up in the air. I don't really know where that # comes from. I've been trying to find the info. There is a pretty decent number of SD's that are undeclared. About 100. The assumption of course being that they haven't declared because they are Hillary supporters. So I'm hanging on to that thin thread of hope. The last three weeks have not been kind to Obama and a lot can happen in the 5 weeks till the convention. :scared:

Hey all you Hillary supporters!

I am so sorry about your mom. :flower3: Sending lots of good vibes your way!
 
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