Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

[MAKmom]

Do the die hard Obama supporters know that it is ok to admit Obama is not PERFECT. He can still get elected if he is not PERFECT.

Can you imagine them saying " This Wright thing sucks I wish he would distance himself...but even if he doesn't I still like him better than Hillary or McCain"

That is what normal people would do.

 

[robinb]

I think some do know he's not perfect while others are not sure .

 

[punkin]

I really do respect your concern because I think it comes from a good place, although I admit I don't quite understand it. None of the recent scandals have really upset me ... I try to ignore them because diggin' up and dishin' dirt is all part of politics.

I think that the pastors who have supported McCain are even bigger nutjobs than Wright. If McCain is elected, they have a far better chance to influence our government than Wright would if Obama is elected. McCain is going to have to promise something to the religious right to get them to come out and vote for him and I shudder to think what that might be.

First of all, I expect nutjob support for republicans. Second, this is more than just support; this is someone Obama specifically names as his moral compass and refuses to repudiate. Huge difference IMO.

 

[JARNJ3]

I understand where you are coming from and I do share your concerns. The thing is, for some of us it's not just us "being in a snit because our fav didn't get the nom,"

I realize that you like Obama but some of us don't. And when I say we don't like him, I don't mean hold your nose and vote variety. I mean we flat out think he would be a danger to this country. So how do we reconcile that? I think McCain is a danger, I think Obama is a danger.

And for the record I've donated enough of my time and money to the DNC I'm comfortable in my status as a Dem.

I feel the same way. I don't think he's got the experience to end this war responsibly - I don't think he has the experience of being a uniter across party lines.

I've seen Hillary work across party lines. More than 30 former generals are backing Hillary as qualified to be Commander in Chief.

And - yes - a - die hard democrat here since college as well.......

I often wonder where we would be in this time and place, if only Florida's ballot were easier to interpret .......

 

["Got Disney"]

I try to remember Obama didn't say it though.

I can even understand the preacher's anger about racism. What I have trouble digesting is how he's supposed to be a preacher for Christianity - and no way would Jesus have said those things......

Its the overall problem with religion - most of them believe that "our way is the only way" and are in a symbolic fight to get to heaven......

I get his generation also. I get he is bitter and racist and do not hold that against him. But I do know it does not belong in a church and I do believe that a wanna be POTUS should not be going to that church. I also feel that Obama and Michelle agree with him no matter what Obama says...or they would for sure not be listening to a pastor like that.

being a Jesus freak for many of my hippy years and attending years of Bible study groups of all ethnic groupss and going to many black church revivals because of all the energy spilling from those churches walls I would never ever have stayed in a church that spoke of such hate...even if it was once in awhile. Once would have made me, the Jesus freak that I was, very upset and never go back.

Yes, I understand it was over the top rhetoric. Believe me I get it, but it is still despicable and anyone who listened to this type of drivel for 20 years and did and said nothing, does not have the judgment and discernment to be president. Particularly if the man making the statements is then elevated to "moral compass" status.

I cant get past that either. I try to say it is not coming out of Obamas mouth than on my next thought the 20 years and his moral compass take hold and I shake my head

I guess I am the only one who found the sermon offensive. I don't think it was powerful at all. I think it was full of half truths and lies and outright America bashing (and not in any constructive manner either). America is putting whom in jails and giving them drugs? What is this man even talking about? Sorry, if this hysterical ranting is what Obama favors as spiritual leadership and moral compass, I agree with KikiFan, he is not the man I want in the oval office.

I also agree. I always felt that Michelle had a racist edge to her and wondered about Obama. Because I have so many black friends I could understand the inequality that they still have to put up with. So I was okay with the understanding that there could be legitimate reasons for being a little racist on there parts.

But the church took it over the edge. Even if he were to walk away from the church at this time. I would feel it was because of his career and not his belief that his past Rev and the new one are way over the edge.

 

[JARNJ3]

Some reasons why I will be writing in Hillary's name if she doesn't get the nomination:

HALPERIN’S TAKE: If Obama Has The Nomination Wrapped Up, Why is His Campaign Going After Clinton So Hard?



1. They want to drive up Clinton’s negatives as high as they can, to keep her from improving her standing in head-to-head matchups with McCain, because they know the Clinton campaign would use such polls as an important electability talking point with superdelegates.

2. They want to get the media focus off of Rev. Wright.

3. They want to demonstrate their toughness (to themselves, to the Republicans, and to those watchful superdelegates).

4. They want Clinton to feel there is a cost for staying in the race.

5. They want to remind superdelegates that Clinton would carry substantial baggage into the general election as the nominee.

6. They want to improve Obama’s standing with white voters by artfully playing the Lewinsky card (as when they talked about the circumstances that led to Bill Clinton being photographed in the White House with Rev. Wright).

7. They are angry at the Clinton campaign.

8. They think — contrary to the media conventional wisdom — that Clinton can still beat them.

9. Because they can: the media continues to highlight the Clinton campaign’s negative tactics in a disapproving way, but only rarely points out the intensified negative tone and rhetoric Obama’s campaign has been using – even though it conflicts with the candidate’s professed desire for a new kind of politics.

 

[punkin]

Some reasons why I will be writing in Hillary's name if she doesn't get the nomination:

I think I will do the same. I just can't stomach voting for 100 more years in Iraq.

 

["Got Disney"]

Oh the pain the pain.......I hope (no pun intended) that if Obama gets the nomination that he does not do anything more to push me over the edge...I am tinkering there as it is. But 100 years...that's a long long time.

DH my Rep DH who is voting for Hillary at this time said there is no way he will ever vote for Obama. So if he votes for McCain if Obama gets in than there is no need for me to vote because Dh will just cancel my vote out.

Oh the pain the pain...I need a hug

 

[Planogirl]

I wish that all of you would vote for the Democratic candidate whoever it is but I understand why you don't want to. A person has to vote their conscience and if that person can't justify voting for Obama (or for Hillary on the other side) then that's that.

I personally find it a struggle to stay determined to vote for whoever and who knows what I'll decide later on. If only they would somehow unify!

 

[punkin]

If only they would somehow unify!

I wonder if that's still possible at this stage? We Dems seem to be getting pretty polarized.

 

[Planogirl]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";24066087]DH my Rep DH who is voting for Hillary at this time said there is no way he will ever vote for Obama. So if he votes for McCain if Obama gets in than there is no need for me to vote because Dh will just cancel my vote out.
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My DH is the same! He was in Hillary's camp long before I was and keeps telling me that Obama scares him. (He can't or won't explain why though.) This is a man that voted for Reagan, Bush Sr and GWB so it's really strange.

 

[JARNJ3]

I wonder if that's still possible at this stage? We Dems seem to be getting pretty polarized.

I think its possible. But I am repeatedly told it isn't...... by some in this community.....

So what do I know?

 

[Planogirl]

I think its possible. But I am repeatedly told it isn't...... by some in this community.....

So what do I know?

I keep hearing that too but of course they don't make the decisions. Plus they'd actually have to go after McCain for a change.

 

["Got Disney"]

My DH is the same! He was in Hillary's camp long before I was and keeps telling me that Obama scares him. (He can't or won't explain why though.) This is a man that voted for Reagan, Bush Sr and GWB so it's really strange.

DH also voted for all of the above I always teased him about Reaganomics...Obama really bothers him. He says he just does not trust him. Maybe because they are Rep and Obama is so far left. More so than Hillary.

If it was not for the 100 years in Iraq he would vote for McCain. McCain is more moderate to me that conservative. His views on many things hit me as liberal. But that 100 years is sooooooo long...eek

I love that Hillary is such a fighter and that she does not get stirred up so easy. Obama seems to be getting a little shaky when talking under pressure. She just gets better under pressure.

She needs to show that Obama has lost some momentum and get the majority of all the other states left and she will be sitting much better.


I am sitting here drinking a cup of coffee in my Hillary mug that a Obama supporter( my sons chaperon teacher) bought me when in D.C in a gift shop...he gave me this and I gave him a Obama T-shirt and pin. We laughed as we gave them to each other as we thought of each other and how our candidates were important to each of us.

There was no bashing only respect and caring for the others opinion...so much that we took the time to think of each other when we saw the gifts. Sure wish it could be the same on the DIS.

 

[Aristocath]

I wish that all of you would vote for the Democratic candidate whoever it is but I understand why you don't want to. A person has to vote their conscience and if that person can't justify voting for Obama (or for Hillary on the other side) then that's that.

I personally find it a struggle to stay determined to vote for whoever and who knows what I'll decide later on. If only they would somehow unify!

Just a few minutes ago I was scanning my yahoo homepage and there was an article from one of the major news organizations (can't remember right now, maybe Reuters) about Hillary and Barack and a unified Democratic party. Hillary was asked about the intense supporters for both candidates not voting for "the other guy" if their candidate loses. She said that would not be a wise decision and to think twice about it and said the current division in the party won't last. Barack was asked basically the same thing and he too said the party would pull together but that the chosen candidate would have some work to do.

My personal plan is to vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is because I care about my country and either one is better than McCain. I have three sons and I fear that with McCain as president, registering for the selective service at age 18 may become more than a minor formality.

 

[Planogirl]

I agree! This "alleged Democrat" (as mentioned elsewhere) plans to vote for either candidate too.

Which makes me wonder if the Obama supporters who won't vote for Hillary are also alleged Democrats? What a shame.

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

Obama may have lost one of his supers plus the guy happened to be one of the people who was going to help prevent Puerto Rico from being a total landslide for Clinton.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/27/puerto.rico.governor/index.html

 

[KikiFan]

I promise not to respond, but may I ask why you think Obama is a "danger" to this country? You do realize that he's got nearly the same experience in the Senate that Hillary has, correct? And that he's a constitutional scholar that would drop over dead before he pulled the kinds of stunts that Shrub has pulled in the Oval Office?

I can understand someone saying that they don't think he has enough experience on the national scene. But constantly saying how much of a "danger" he is? That part, I just don't get.

Thanks for taking my call, and I'll hang up and listen.

You know I've debated answering this post all day because I really don't think I need to justify my feelings about Obama in this thread of all places. But I'm going to assume that your question is sincere.

I believe that this country is sitting on the edge of a precipice. Eight years on Bush and Cheney has damaged us almost beyond repair. The next 4 years will be a very critical period in our history. I believe it takes someone strong and experienced.

You and I have very different opinions on what "nearly" means. Hillary was sworn into the senate in Jan of 2001. Obama was sworn in on Jan 2005. That's 7.5 years of Experience vs 3.5. Yes, I know that Obama has experience on the state senate. But imo that's not the same as working on a national scale. That's where Hillary's experience dominates imo.

I truly believe that Hillary has a much better concept of working on a national scale, she's got a better handle of world politics, she's got some previously established relationships with world leaders. She's got some reflected good will based on being Bill's wife since many world leaders truly like BC. I believe repairing our international relationships is a major priority, and I believe Hillary is better able to do that.

Outside of his (admittedly incredible) speeches I have not been impressed with Obama. His answers in the debates were less then satisfying. The Wright situation has left me questioning his judgement as well as his political savvy. How could he not know how Rev Wright would play to the "average white person" He seems to be tone deaf to why people have an issue with his membership in that church. For someone so determined to be a uniter - he seems to have a real knack for dividing people, and being oblivious to how or why it's happening.

I think Obama has the potential to be a good president one day. I believe he's got some great ideas and not enough experience to really get them done But this country doesn't have the time for a learning curve ... at least not one as large as he's going to need. That's why I think he's dangerous.

I don't expect to have changed your mind about Obama. But hopefully you'll understand why I believe what I believe - even though you don't agree.

And most of all, I hope you'll go back to the silly fool in the Obama thread and tell them that not everyone who thinks Obama is dangerous is a racist. I'm far from it. My own daughter is bi-racial. I would love for her to be able to see another biracial person reach the pinnacle of power in this country. But I don't believe it's Obama - at least not at this time.

 

[Hound 109]

Well said, Kiki.

I agree with everything you stated. Except I don't have a bi-racial daughter.

But i hope my white bread daughter gets to see a woman elected President this year.....& I hope that Harold Ford is the first Black elected President in 2016.....& I hope my Asian American son gets to see an Asian American elected President during his lifetime.....but preferably after a Latin American President is elected first.

 

[DISUNC]

According to GOP articles, they hate McCain and will vote Democrat.
According to DEM articles the Dems are split and will vote for McCain in November.


Soooooooooooooooo If we all believe all the articles...Rebuplicans will vote for the Democrat candidate, and the Democrats will vote for McCain!

This is a weird election.

I will decide who I am going to vote for in November....Plllllllenty of time for this.