Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

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Is this the speech or excerpts of the speech, or someone saying what he said?:confused3

No that's the whole thing. I know it looks choppy because of the layout, but that's the speech in it's entirety. No editorial comments are added.
 
.....I am beginning to believe that there are some Republicans voting in the Democratic primaries for Obama – and not because they honestly want Obama as the next US President but because they feel that he can be ripped to shreds easier in the general election than Hillary can. I even heard one CNN correspondent say that he’d heard the Republicans were urging other Republicans to do this since McCain is so far in the lead and their race is basically over.

(I can't believe i found Dolce in political thread.....:hippie: )


I voted for HC on Friday.

While in line, I saw (& heard) many in my line indicating that they were Republicans, but were voting Obama. Also among friends & business types, I have observed several reasons for this:

- They hate (& have always hated) HC.
- They think BO would be easier to bring down in the VERY long General Election season.
- If they have to have a Democrat, they'd rather have to listen to BO for 4 years. (the only legit reason, imo).

It's crap that 30-40% of democratic voters (in Texas) will actually be Republican Voters.


Other topic......I will attend my first "caucus" on Tuesday night. (After 30 years of voting). It should be really interesting.

& finally, I'd way rather hang with Tina Fey & Jack Nicholson at a party than Queen Oprah & Kirk Watson (my state senator....ahaahhhaaahhhaaa). :)
 
I will hold my nose and my stomach and vote for Obama. I would never in a million years vote for a Republican because of their stance on a woman's right to choose and basic civil rights for gay and lesbian Americans.


Thanks. I like both almost equally, but just favor Obama by a little bit. It sickens me that any Democrat would sit back and watch more neocons get appointed to the Supreme court rather than vote for the Democrat they don't support.

What will they tell their daughters when Roe v Wade gets overturned, "Sorry but I didn't get Obamamania, or Hillary was to shrill"?


If we have really come to this as a party, we deserve to lose everything because we are stupid as the cons say we are.
 
I voted for HC on Friday.

While in line, I saw (& heard) many in my line indicating that they were Republicans, but were voting Obama. Also among friends & business types, I have observed several reasons for this:

- They hate (& have always hated) HC.
- They think BO would be easier to bring down in the VERY long General Election season.
- If they have to have a Democrat, they'd rather have to listen to BO for 4 years. (the only legit reason, imo).

It's crap that 30-40% of democratic voters (in Texas) will actually be Republican Voters.


Other topic......I will attend my first "caucus" on Tuesday night. (After 30 years of voting). It should be really interesting.

& finally, I'd way rather hang with Tina Fey & Jack Nicholson at a party than Queen Oprah & Kirk Watson (my state senator....ahaahhhaaahhhaaa). :)

Right - the Republicans have been choosing our nominee. That is just so wrong. It may come back to bite us in the General. Time will tell.
 

Thanks. I like both almost equally, but just favor Obama by a little bit. It sickens me that any Democrat would sit back and watch more neocons get appointed to the Supreme court rather than vote for the Democrat they don't support.

What will they tell their daughters when Roe v Wade gets overturned, "Sorry but I didn't get Obamamania, or Hillary was to shrill"?


If we have really come to this as a party, we deserve to lose everything because we are stupid as the cons say we are.

Believe you me - I am not happy about it (my decision to maybe not vote for Obama).

It will all depend on - if he gets the nomination - how he tries to bring over Hillary supporters to his side. If he deems us as in consequential - he and the party will get what they deserve.

And as far as the Supreme Court - if McCain gets in, and if he supports a judge that eventually overturns Roe v Wade - I will march and fight until a woman's right to choose is made into law.
 
I want to say thanks to the Obama supporters that came on here and responded to me since I couldn’t get a response on the Obama thread.
One last comment about Hillary, in her defense, and I’ll let this go: she is not lying or misleading people when she now says that when she placed that 2002 vote it was not necessarily go to war but to give the US President full trust and authorization in hopes that he would push the UN and push more arms inspections and would only use war as the very last resort.

I do recall several Senators in 2002 really upset with Bush in how he took that vote and went straight to war with it – this has nothing at all to do with Hillary (although I'm sure she was one of the upset Senators). I remember hearing that they weren’t necessarily trying to go to war with that vote but give Bush ammunition to put pressure on the UN.

So, recalling that I had heard that Senators in 2002 were upset with Bush and the war, I did a quick search and brought up Hillary’s own words from October 2002 on this issue.

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=233783



(I can't believe i found Dolce in political thread.....:hippie: )

I can't believe that Hound actually stepped foot on the CB and away from his beloved DL threads. :faint:

:goodvibes

I voted for HC on Friday.

While in line, I saw (& heard) many in my line indicating that they were Republicans, but were voting Obama. Also among friends & business types, I have observed several reasons for this:

- They hate (& have always hated) HC.
- They think BO would be easier to bring down in the VERY long General Election season.
- If they have to have a Democrat, they'd rather have to listen to BO for 4 years. (the only legit reason, imo).

It's crap that 30-40% of democratic voters (in Texas) will actually be Republican Voters.

That's just not cool. I'd say that all elections should be closed so that one party couldn't do that to another but then I wouldn't be allowed to vote for Hillary on Tuesday if that were the case.


Other topic......I will attend my first "caucus" on Tuesday night. (After 30 years of voting). It should be really interesting.

I'm glad that I actually heard about the caucus so that I can show up -I hadn't been aware that Texas even had one until now. :confused3
 
No that's the whole thing. I know it looks choppy because of the layout, but that's the speech in it's entirety. No editorial comments are added.

Thanks!

Right - the Republicans have been choosing our nominee. That is just so wrong. It may come back to bite us in the General. Time will tell.

(for my umeenth time :lmao: ) That is why we have Superdelagates, they are suppose to vote PARTY line, NOT popular vote.

I firmly believe (based on primary voting) that if we have Obama as the Dem nominee, McCain will be the next president.:guilty:
 
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Thanks!

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I firmly believe (based on primary voting) that if we have Obama as the Dem nominee, McCain will be the next president.:guilty:

See the things Is, I fear very much that if Clinton is the nominee we will have a McCain presidency... If fact this is what I have heard from quite a few news sources..

I have nothing against Hillary and will vote for her if she is the nominee
 
See the things Is, I fear very much that if Clinton is the nominee we will have a McCain presidency... If fact this is what I have heard from quite a few news sources..

I have nothing against Hillary and will vote for her if she is the nominee

Based on Rebuplican voters voting for the Democratic nominee, Obama, and that there isnt a 'organized GOP for Obama group", and obama wins mostly in the states where GOP can vote in Democratic primaries...I say Obama dont have a chance in the General election.

Thats the problem. Up until now, the news sources/polls have ONLY asked Obama supporters/voters this question. (hence the news bias)! I believe Zoogby came out with a poll yesterday, saying that Obama would be better than McCain....but that is in response to what people have been hearing on the news.

I always look to see who the pollsters asked the questions of and HOW IT WAS PHRASED.:eek:
 
Thats the problem. Up until now, the news sources/polls have ONLY asked Obama supporters/voters this question. (hence the news bias)! I believe Zoogby came out with a poll yesterday, saying that Obama would be better than McCain....but that is in response to what people have been hearing on the news.

I always look to see who the pollsters asked the questions of and HOW IT WAS PHRASED.:eek:

I can tell you what I know from personal experience..I know a few Republicans who say they will vote for Obama..They wouldn't vote for Clinton for any reason... I know lots of independants who would vote Obama in an Obama-McCain election but would vote McCain in a McCain/Clinton election..
Not to mention all the Republicans who will get up off the couch JUST to vote against Clinton... They are less likely to get off the couch to vote against Obama
 
If Obama was in the Senate back in 2002, I have a hard time to really believe he would have gone against the majority of American people and voted against the war.

It's SOOOOO easy to say "Well I would have done this" when you were NOT in those shoes. At least Hillary is admitting her mistake ;)
Just like I know now it was a mistake to go to war.
I have been wondering about the same thing. I finally googled "Obama 2002". While I do think that he might have had a different reaction if he was in the US Senate, he was an Illinois state senator at the time. A week before Hillary voted for the war (a decision I cannot find fault in), Barack spoke at a rally in Chicago. This is what he said:

http://usliberals.about.com/od/extraordinaryspeeches/a/Obama2002War.htm

"I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances. The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil.

I don't oppose all wars. My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil.

I don't oppose all wars. After September 11, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this administration's pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again.

I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income, to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

Now let me be clear: I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power.... The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors...and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.

I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars. So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to make sure that...we vigorously enforce a nonproliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil through an energy policy that doesn't simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.

Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair."
 
I can tell you what I know from personal experience..I know a few Republicans who say they will vote for Obama..They wouldn't vote for Clinton for any reason... I know lots of independants who would vote Obama in an Obama-McCain election but would vote McCain in a McCain/Clinton election..
Not to mention all the Republicans who will get up off the couch JUST to vote against Clinton... They are less likely to get off the couch to vote against Obama

I added 2 lines to my post.

Yup i know these people too, But I also know people who will vote for McCain over Obama.:confused3

I think these type of voters actually cancel each other out.

I also live near a Military installation, I have lots of Military workers as neighbors. They will vote for Hillary based on her plans to leave Iraq, she has consulted and gets MUCH support from many Military big wigs. The list is on this thread a few pages back.

Obama plans are all his own, he hasnt consulted with any Military leaders!:eek:
 
And yet my devotedly Republican DH plans to vote for Hillary just because he likes Hillary. Or so he claims... ;)

Fox News has been reporting a poll that shows McCain beating Obama this morning. I wonder who they poll? Maybe they just pass a survey sheet around the office. ;)
 
And yet my devotedly Republican DH plans to vote for Hillary just because he likes Hillary. Or so he claims... ;)

Any way you can infiltrate this??? Sneak in the Booth with him?? Make sure he does the 'right thing"!!!!!:lmao:
 
I added 2 lines to my post.

Yup i know these people too, But I also know people who will vote for McCain over Obama.:confused3

I think these type of voters actually cancel each other out.

I also live near a Military installation, I have lots of Military workers as neighbors. They will vote for Hillary based on her plans to leave Iraq, she has consulted and gets MUCH support from many Military big wigs. The list is on this thread a few pages back.

Obama plans are all his own, he hasnt consulted with any Military leaders!:eek:

MY military friends are pretty much voting Obama..The ones who aren't voting McCain that is
 
MY military friends are pretty much voting Obama..The ones who aren't voting McCain that is

:confused3

Northern NJ & NE PA(mostly all former NY'ers) are very much Clinton territory here.
 
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Northern NJ & NE PA(mostly all former NY'ers) are very much Clinton territory here.

Yes, I can see why that area would be very pro-Clinton..

The Obama rally yesterday had a lot of military people at it..
 
MY military friends are pretty much voting Obama..The ones who aren't voting McCain that is
I think that it doesn't tell us much to know how our friends are voting. Birds of a feather and all of that... I know that my friends and family are wildly scattered between Obama and Hillary with one devout Romney fan thrown in. Where THAT one came from, I'll never know.
 
Obama on the run from Rezco story! A Chicago news story from last April!
Very telling!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOFT8jtuVpo

Yes that all seems so suspicious to me and would like to know all the facts. there may be nothing to it but sure would like to know before he gets the nod. If we find there is any criminal intent at all against Obama or even just a hint about it ....that will make it even harder to vote for him.

I can tell you what I know from personal experience..I know a few Republicans who say they will vote for Obama..They wouldn't vote for Clinton for any reason... I know lots of independants who would vote Obama in an Obama-McCain election but would vote McCain in a McCain/Clinton election..
Not to mention all the Republicans who will get up off the couch JUST to vote against Clinton... They are less likely to get off the couch to vote against Obama

I find that so strange because to have someone so Conservative vote Obama throws me :confused3 I find more of my Conservative...far right friends that is will vote Hillary because she is not as far left as Obama. When you listen to Obama talk he is a true far left liberal where Hillary leans to the moderate side a little.

See I am hearing the opposite. I am hearing that they do not like Obamas chattering and are tired of it...so they are turning to Hillary. That is the ones that will vote for her to win not to get her out so Obama gets in and runs against McCain because they wasn't him to run against him.

And yet my devotedly Republican DH plans to vote for Hillary just because he likes Hillary. Or so he claims... ;)

Same here Dh my REP has switched to Hillary and he will not vote for Obama at all. He does say that he is a great Orator but all he hears are the same speeches and feels he is hollow.

Fox News has been reporting a poll that shows McCain beating Obama this morning. I wonder who they poll? Maybe they just pass a survey sheet around the office. ;)

Also how are they asking the questions...and to whom...I don't go by the polls to much but I do like to see what they are and than see the outcome. As for the caucuses I don't put any faith in them at all and think that they are the most unfair way for a state to pick one over the other with a hand full of the people that cannot at that time and vote. What about the ones that cant get out....
 
MY military friends are pretty much voting Obama..The ones who aren't voting McCain that is

Here in San Diego most of my Military friends say they will vote Hillary if not McCain and a few Obamas....Also Dh sells Tool and equipment all through the US and most of his accounts are Military. He has been asking them how they feel about McCain and the 100 years and they have said for the most part that they will stay in if that is what it takes to win, however they don't agree with him on 100 years

He has also asked if they were to vote for one of the 3 candidates who are they choosing and why ...Dh has said that the remarks were well they want McCain but will vote for Hillary NOT Obama because they feel that if Obama gets in he will pull out just because he says it in his campaign and that he has been apposed of the war all along and that scares them when it comes to the protection of this country, they feel he will bring us more 9/11...

Where they believe if Hillary gets in and sees that they are winning than she is more apt to change her decision not to stay but do it more slower than Obama. They want out but not at the expense of the soldiers lives lost or the loosing of this war. They agree that "Yes" Hillary will for sure pull out but not to make a point like Obama will...it will be because at that time it is the right thing to do.
 
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