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I would venture a guess that those people that didn't use the old FP system efficiently will also be the same ones that won't use the new FP system efficiently. We never rode 20 rides a day using FP. We were glad to get a couple. Spontaneity was nice. Sounds like that has gone. So what is gained with the new FP? I am not a fan of the saying, "for the greater good". It rarely works out that way. It sounds like there is more to lose than to gain.

My guess is that it isn't for the greater good but how technologically updated they could get the system. People are always in a rush to get the new "cool" thing. In writing it does look advanced and cool. It seems and I could be wrong that this new system had a lot more supporters in the beginning but as they keep placing rules and obstacles on it more people are jumping to the other side.

I never used the old FP system unless it was right there or I had a ride any ride anytime FP. (I hope those are still handed out.) so the new system I will take one FP+ for TT and RD Soarin. It doesn't mess with my plans but to the majority it seems like it does. To me what is gained is ill actually use it or try. So to some people it works and others it doesn't. But then again I would be fine without FP+ and I see that. It all goes back to "what's fair?" And who is answering that question.

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My point is that Disney cannot sustain EVERYONE wishes to ride TT multiple times a day. It is a capacity issue. I have no problem for you to pay more to get the ability. .

If its a capacity issue, how on earth can you pay more to get the ability,
you are not making any sense.
 
My bad. I thought you ran ms dos as an os by itself with no gui or windows. So you ran windows 95 instead right? You probably have no idea what am I talking about. What you described on coding is not really coding in ms dos in any remote way. I don't think you were really in the it profession for a long time. Your terms for the job is a bit confusing to say the least.

I wasn't engaging in the conversation because it has nothing to do with disney and/or FP+

You can believe what you want I don't give two fits.

It seems to me your picking on me because you can't dispute anyone else. Have fun. I'm done.

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LuvFFPlus said:
My bad. I thought you ran ms dos as an os by itself with no gui or windows. So you ran windows 95 instead right? You probably have no idea what am I talking about. What you described on coding is not really coding in ms dos in any remote way.

I don't think you were really in the it profession for a long time. Your terms for the job is a bit confusing to say the least.

This is an inadvertent way of p*ssing someone off. Stop acting like you're on a pedestal.
 
Well, I spent Nov 22-29 at WDW, and my experience with FP+ was mixed. I am a rope-dropper, so FP+ was great for my family later in the day once lines started to build. Keep in mind that I also was able to schedule mine before the tiers, and I think I would have felt less positively with the towering in place.

My main quarrel with the system is how buggy MDE is and how difficult, or often impossible, it was to change a FP+ for any reason. The kiosks were not conveniently placed, and the app constantly crashed or wouldn't complete transactions... I felt like I spent a lot of time of my phone on busy days and sometimes NEVER managed to change what I needed to. And if I couldn't change a FP+ because of MDE problems, and then the time passed, then I lost that FP slot for the day. So there were some days I only got one or two FP+ opportunities total because the app crashing prevented me from changing something when I needed to. That was incredibly frustrating and disappointing.

We stayed at POP, so we didn't have access to FP- to make up for the FP+ losses. It was annoying watching other people able to pull FP from the machines when we couldn't, knowing that we'd lost 1 or 2 of our only FP+ opportunities because of app problems. I probably could have gotten compensation with anytime paper FP from guest services if I had cared to make a big deal about it, but I decided to shrug it off and move on because I was tired of dealing with it. We just rode standby instead, which was actually not as big a deal as I thought it would be. I would have felt differently had crowds been heavier on those days, which luckily they weren't.

On the other hand, on the days on which I didn't need to change anything, and I stuck with my original plan, I had no complaints. FP+ lines were not long, and I never waited more than around 10 minutes or so. Sometimes the lines LOOKED long when you walked up because of the rate of MB scanning, but then once you were scanned you could just walk right through and practically get on the ride within a few minutes. So the lines might look long to passers-by, but really they weren't bad. I also found CM's to be very efficient and accommodating.

As for standby lines, until the parks became very crowded on Wed and Thurs, they were not bad at all. Rarely more than 30 minutes, usually more like 10 or less. I didn't find it prohibitive, and we did much of our riding without FP with the exceptions of a couple of headliners.

I realize that YMMV, and even with the MDE frustrations, my family still had a wonderful trip. I do think that the tiers are a terrible idea, but I am not opposed to FP+ in general. I just think Disney needs to first of all work out the MDE bugs, and then they need to forget the tiers, and finally be consistent with what they allow guests to have. I hated that our resort choice prevented us from enjoying the same privileges as all other guests, especially with the FP+ change/loss problems I experienced. I had to make a conscious choice to go with the flow and decided that I would set an example for my kids by having a good attitude regardless of my frustrations, and the result was more good than bad, no doubt. But that's because I chose to make it that way, not because Disney made it easy on me! Lol!

However, I do think I will be waiting to plan another Disney vacation until they work out some of the problems with the system and decide exactly where they want to go with FP+ in general. This is obviously a rough patch for WDW at many levels, and I hope they are able to work out a compromise between FP+ and FP- so that a backup exists for guests when the technology fails them.
 
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My guess is that it isn't for the greater good but how technologically updated they could get the system. People are always in a rush to get the new "cool" thing. In writing it does look advanced and cool. It seems and I could be wrong that this new system had a lot more supporters in the beginning but as they keep placing rules and obstacles on it more people are jumping to the other side.

I never used the old FP system unless it was right there or I had a ride any ride anytime FP. (I hope those are still handed out.) so the new system I will take one FP+ for TT and RD Soarin. It doesn't mess with my plans but to the majority it seems like it does. To me what is gained is ill actually use it or try. So to some people it works and others it doesn't. But then again I would be fine without FP+ and I see that. It all goes back to "what's fair?" And who is answering that question.

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Agreed.

I thought it was fair before the changes. If someone had taken the time to get 20 FP, they weren't breaking any rules were they? (General question) Anyway, I don't care what other people are doing if they aren't breaking the rules. If people were busy getting 20 FPs then they weren't on a ride or in a line so they lost some park experience time up front. IOW, it all evened out on it's own IMO.

Now everyone just has to experience longer lines and increased wait times from what is reported.

I hope it gets changed back before we return to WDW. But I'm not counting on it.
 
FP+ cannot exist without tiers. It is as simple as that. If it could exist...it would. Disney is not adding tiers to sabotage their own program.
 
pitterpint23 said:
Luv started posting on this thread only .. at around 3 pm..

Only one post from kellyny yesterday night in between.. its them LOLOLOL

So now I understand you all think i am kellyny and feel the need to gang up on me too? Here in FL we have a cyber bully case sounds very similar to what all of you are doing. So what is kellyny's view on fp+? I can assure you that I am not kellyny and I am not at ny nor from ny. Whats your spin now?
 
I don't see it on the mobile app, but at least on the main site there's the ability to put posters of your choice on Ignore. You don't see their posts unless they are quoted.

I haven't figured out how to do it via the mobile app, but if you do have someone on your ignore list and are using the mobile app, it is like they don't even exist. The posts don't show at all, unlike on my desktop version. :)
 
So now I understand you all think i am kellyny and feel the need to gang up on me too? Here in FL we have a cyber bully case sounds very similar to what all of you are doing. So what is kellyny's view on fp+? I can assure you that I am not kellyny and I am not at ny nor from ny. Whats your spin now?

Hard to imagine two folks with the same tortured syntax. (I imagine if one is the creator of the tortured syntax, one might not appreciate how easily recognizable it is.)
 
bcrook said:
FP+ cannot exist without tiers. It is as simple as that. If it could exist...it would. Disney is not adding tiers to sabotage their own program.

I agree with you bcrook.
 
going/again said:
If its a capacity issue, how on earth can you pay more to get the ability,
you are not making any sense.

Of course you can. Similar to the dinner pkg on fantasmic. Of course the non paying guest gets less space but hey if that will get you off my case.
 
Ride capacity does not change. The average number of rides/attractions per guest (assuming attendance is flat) will not change and may actually will go up as empty seats in less popular attractions fill up. What FP+ does is level the playing field. It is distribution of wealth on an amusement park level. For everyone who was riding 20 attractions per day through careful management of FP and planning there were people who only got a handful in. The 20's will go down, and the handfuls will go up. From a statistical stand point you can think of it as the standard (or more accurately the mean) remains the same but the standard deviation goes down. Most people on DIS are probably on the high end of the curve. Their experience will become "less". But it is all for the greater good. At least in Disneys eyes.

The problem with this logic is... The people who didn't use FP before are not going to use it now either. And now they have the added pleasure of longer stand-by lines. The 'educated' FP user will use FP+ and the 'clueless' FP non-user will still stand in stand-by. The old FP system was super easy to use. 'Get as you go' and yet, there were people who still had no idea how to work it. The new FP+ system is confusing even to the seasoned FP user. Between creating an online acct., smartphone, making reservations, etc. I don't see it helping the people who Disney is hoping to help. (If that is even their goal). I think it is more that Disney is creating a system that will eventually have us all paying for more FP+ reservations.

Personally, I liked the old FP system. It was fair for everyone if you knew how to use it. As a DVC owner, I will give it a go this April and see if it impacts the quality of my vacations. If my experience suffers, I will be selling my DVC.
 
ShayBells said:
I wasn't engaging in the conversation because it has nothing to do with disney and/or FP+

You can believe what you want I don't give two fits.

It seems to me your picking on me because you can't dispute anyone else. Have fun. I'm done.

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You have nothng to say because you are pretending something you are not just to prove a point. I on the other hand is not pretending what I said.
 
LuvFFPlus said:
So now I understand you all think i am kellyny and feel the need to gang up on me too? Here in FL we have a cyber bully case sounds very similar to what all of you are doing. So what is kellyny's view on fp+? I can assure you that I am not kellyny and I am not at ny nor from ny. Whats your spin now?

Cyber bully case?! You're out of your mind. You did it to US. called me ignorant... without warrant . Explain that, high and mighty..
 
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