Here now, and here is the problem

[mesaboy2]

The rules allowed them to get 3-4 FP's no one was doing anything other than what WDW allowed, why if they got there at RD should they not have more chance to ride than say someone who gets there mid afternoon, surely that's what the whole point of RD is about.

 

[LuvFFPlus]

Have you actually visited WDW and used FP+? Have you visited during a high traffic period? Have you visited and not used any of the back door methods to obtain additional FP+ or FP- capability?

If your respond negatively to any of the above, your opinion is no more valid than those who have not visited. At least, by your own stated standard of validity......

I posted this on another thread. Still waiting for a response......

The answer to your question are all yes. Actually I am there now. Are you satisfied with my answer so far? I even attempted to book tsmm for today last night.

So have you tried it yet? What was the problem you had with the system while you are here?

 

[mesaboy2]

The answer to your question are all yes. Actually I am there now. Are you satisfied with my answer so far? I even attempted to book tsmm for today last night. So have you tried it yet? What was the problem you had with the system while you are here?

You have posted--since yesterday--133 times while at WDW? That makes me sad.

 

[going/again]

Please use logic and reason to support your claims.

You do know this applies to you as well.

 

[LuvFFPlus]

The rules allowed them to get 3-4 FP's no one was doing anything other than what WDW allowed, why if they got there at RD should they not have more chance to ride than say someone who gets there mid afternoon, surely that's what the whole point of RD is about.

I agree with what you said about RD. What I was talking about is the 60 days out pre-booking for 3 to 4 fp on one single ride. Someone posted that they were afraid of the ADR problem when everyone is on FP+. Ability to pre book 3 to 4 of the same ride will cause a problem worse than adr for that particular ride.

 

[LuvFFPlus]

You do know this applies to you as well.

I am trying to have a conversation with you. So please let me know how your solution would be for a system that allows on site guest to pre book fp without causing a particular ride to be totally booked.

 

[ShayBells]

I'm actually more interested on your MS-DOS opinion. So what do you think of the memory allocation tricks that you have to do so that things load properly? That was a pain sometimes but boy was it fun too! Did you have to write your own start up settings for something before?

Does it matter. It's obsolete now. I was coding it back when I was 8 when you had to in order to run anything and fix everything on windows 95. And FYI HTML is obsolete I believe they are up to 5.0 now but with the way the upgrade their standards who knows anymore. It's why I switched professions. Good day sir.

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[clsteve]

You have posted--since yesterday--133 times while at WDW? That makes me sad.

No wonder riding rides isn't a priority....

 

[bcrook]

My point is that Disney cannot sustain EVERYONE wishes to ride TT multiple times a day. It is a capacity issue. I have no problem for you to pay more to get the ability. Just like the Universal system. Love it, more revenue and more happy customer.

There is one other issue that plays in this. Disney is upselling the rides and attractions with this new system. The MDE does a great job of marketing the attractions.

So what I see happening to some degree is this...

My kids like to ride ToT several times a day. We used to be able to pull ToT passes throughout the day. Everybody had the same chance. Even during peak times FP were available later in the day.

But now, all the FP slots are being taken by Disney to be distributed as they wish. Mostly they have been turned over to marketing and accountants. Disney is now trying to convince every person who is coming to DHS that they NEED a FP for ToT. They may not even know what it is. All the FP are distributed in advance and being used to get people to commit to specific park on a specific day.

It seems inefficient actually.

None of this applies to TSMM. That is a truly unique beast. Only 10,000 slots for a family ride with 35,000 attendance is going to cause a problem. Build another ride next door to solve that one.

 

[Love Tink]

My point is that Disney cannot sustain EVERYONE wishes to ride TT multiple times a day. It is a capacity issue. I have no problem for you to pay more to get the ability. Just like the Universal system. Love it, more revenue and more happy customer.

Some posters on the Dis have long had concerns about "fairness" and whether everyone gets an equal opportunity to ride. For example, here's a post from almost a year ago by a poster called KellyNY:

The unfair part is very principle that there are not enough of FP for everyone. First come first serve scenario is nice but family with runner who will take care of all the FP is not the same as a single mom for example, whose running will be much more limited. We are not in Sparta. When system is based on fast legs, there is no fairness. With paid system, I am sure if family go to Disney, it is expensive no matter how cheap you can get, still a lot, family can save a bit longer and invest in FP+ or staying onsite which is most likely how this payment will be presented.

 

[CanadaJulie]

You have posted--since yesterday--133 times while at WDW? That makes me sad.

 

[LucyBC80]

I agree with what you said about RD. What I was talking about is the 60 days out pre-booking for 3 to 4 fp on one single ride. Someone posted that they were afraid of the ADR problem when everyone is on FP+. Ability to pre book 3 to 4 of the same ride will cause a problem worse than adr for that particular ride.

And it all goes back crowd capacity. If they invested the money they are spending with fp+ into new rides, even if took WDC 3 years to build them, in the end crowds would not flock to one or two rides, thus not making tiering or even pre-booking needed.

It all boils down to Disney wanting the crowds but not offering enough in return. I fail to understand how can one silly kid roller-coaster can take over three years to build while down the road they are building a whole new themed area in 18 months. And before talking to me about attention to details, please look up the conceptual art for both NF and HP2 and see what has been actually been done so far. For pete's sake Disney has spent 18 months working on FAKE WALLS.

 

[gina2000]

The answer to your question are all yes. Actually I am there now. Are you satisfied with my answer so far? I even attempted to book tsmm for today last night.

So have you tried it yet? What was the problem you had with the system while you are here?

Are you THERE now? Or are you HERE now?

I've not been, nor have any plans. I've made no bones about that. My concerns are capacity vs crowds, a problem we experienced before these changes. I can see FP+ helping first time visitors still learning the ropes. I can see it hindering my family' style. But we won't be back til some new attractions open to alleviate the pressure on the headliners and to whet our taste.

Over 100 posts while at WDW! You must have a lot of time waiting on standby lines......

 

[going/again]

Assumptions again. Name calling to it's best. Come on keep pile on.

If you read what YOU actually wrote then its hard not to assume anything else, maybe you should re read it to see if you actually meant to write what you did.

 

[Robbi]

Have you actually visited WDW and used FP+? Have you visited during a high traffic period? Have you visited and not used any of the back door methods to obtain additional FP+ or FP- capability?

If your respond negatively to any of the above, your opinion is no more valid than those who have not visited. At least, by your own stated standard of validity......

I posted this on another thread. Still waiting for a response......

He's using a backdoor method because he booked an onsite resort, got magic bands, cancelled onsite, is staying offsite, but still has access to FP+.

 

[Silock]

Some posters on the Dis have long had concerns about "fairness" and whether everyone gets an equal opportunity to ride. For example, here's a post from almost a year ago by a poster called KellyNY: The unfair part is very principle that there are not enough of FP for everyone. First come first serve scenario is nice but family with runner who will take care of all the FP is not the same as a single mom for example, whose running will be much more limited. We are not in Sparta. When system is based on fast legs, there is no fairness. With paid system, I am sure if family go to Disney, it is expensive no matter how cheap you can get, still a lot, family can save a bit longer and invest in FP+ or staying onsite which is most likely how this payment will be presented.

Lol Kelly and Luv have the exact same posting style and wording. Coincidence? I think not.

 

[bcrook]

And it all goes back crowd capacity. If they invested the money they are spending with fp+ into new rides, even if took WDC 3 yeas to build them, in the end crowds would not flock to one or two rides, thus not making tiering or even pre-booking needed.

Five years ago somebody said, we can't just keep building rides we have to figure out a way to get more people in hall of presidents, watching off kilter, eating up the amazing ride capacity of haunted mansion. And this is their result.

Oh, just think what could have been built in that same time period with the 1 billion. Even building more interesting standby lines tipped their hands.

I think interactive queues and visually appealing spaces are wonderful but not at the expense of innovative attractions.

 

[LucyBC80]

I've not been, nor have any plans. I've made no bones about that. My concerns are capacity vs crowds, a problem we experienced before these changes. I can see FP+ helping first time visitors still learning the ropes. I can see it hindering my family' style. But we won't be back til some new attractions open to alleviate the pressure on the headliners and to whet our taste.

That's exactly what will happen to us as well.

But you know what? The whole system is designed to beneficiate new visitors but it won't. The majority of Disney guests have no idea how to work with the new bands and the new fastpasses. They get these bands upon check in and have NO idea what to do with them because they barely have a MDE account, let alone the knowledge to book fp+ or dining reservations.

 

[Robo]

I think interactive queues and visually appealing spaces are wonderful but not at the expense of innovative attractions.

Or even just more capacity for the most popular attractions.
(Constructing duplicates or very similar attractions to the busiest rides.)

Like the new Dueling Dumbos have solved that ride's formerly infamous bottleneck.

 

[gina2000]

He's using a backdoor method because he booked an onsite resort, got magic bands, cancelled onsite, is staying offsite, but still has access to FP+.

My point exactly. And that's IF the poster has actually been to WDW during FP+ testing and especially during a high volume week.

We are going to see a whole new, most likely more expensive, way of touring once this all shakes out. I'm just glad I'm not the test guinea pig paying thousands for the honor.