Heads Up Regarding New Ticket Purchases

[Doctor P]

No, the current tickets explicitly are non-transferable, but that is next to impossible to enforce and the listings on Ebay are proof of this.

 

[DisneyDVClover]

Dis Happy a bio scan is merely an image of 2 fingers that is it nothing intrusive about it. I also do not believe they will allow you an AP without the scan so you may end up being out of luck with that one sorry.

 

[OneMoreTry]

I'm not sure but I am guessing a picture ID of some sort would then need to be used. Could cause a slight delay, but I am pretty sure no major problems

Sorry, but I'm not getting picture ID's for my kids. Or carrying them. that would be a "major problem for me."

 

[tjkraz]

I think it's safe to assume that a photo ID will NOT be required for a minor child. They will also not use the biometric finger scans for children. The process will most likely mirror the current entry policy for minor APs, PHs, PHPs, and so on--ticket equals entry.

Using the finger scans and, when not functional, picture ID will address the problem of adult abuse. Disney isn't foolish and they know there is little that can reasonably done to ID a child.

 

[DisneyDVClover]

We have passports for our kids as photo ID they are good for 3 years and then you renew them with a new photo cheap photo ID for 30 bucks so 10 dollars a year.

 

[sjdisneywedding]

Sorry, but I'm not getting picture ID's for my kids. Or carrying them. that would be a "major problem for me."

thats fine I hope for your sake they dont require the bio scan then, because if that fails and no picture id, good luck

at the very least you will have wasted a bunch of time

 

[sjdisneywedding]

I think it's safe to assume that a photo ID will NOT be required for a minor child. They will also not use the biometric finger scans for children. The process will most likely mirror the current entry policy for minor APs, PHs, PHPs, and so on--ticket equals entry.

Using the finger scans and, when not functional, picture ID will address the problem of adult abuse. Disney isn't foolish and they know there is little that can reasonably done to ID a child.

Yes but what about the child who is 10 who is considered an adult to Disney? Wouldnt they have to provide a bio scan? Or 11, 12 13, 14 etc whatever age you want to use.

what if the bio doesnt work for them, will they not be asked for some type of id?

 

[tjkraz]

Yes but what about the child who is 10 who is considered an adult to Disney? Wouldnt they have to provide a bio scan? Or 11, 12 13, 14 etc whatever age you want to use.

what if the bio doesnt work for them, will they not be asked for some type of id?

Of course not.

Yes, they will record the biometric patterns for anyone using and adult ticket. But if the scan fails, no CM is ever going to turn to a 12 year old and say "sorry, I can't let you join your family without a state ID."

When all else fails, common sense rules.

 

[senecabeach]

"It's certainly going to be a lot more beneficial to Disney than the current policies which feed half-used tickets onto the secondary market (eBay, et al) Disney has few alternatives with regard to children's passes, but ending the abuse by adults will go a looooooong way."

Please don't flame me..just trying to digest the new ticket requirements as it relates to me.

Abuse by adults??
Buy a ticket, use a ticket, who cares who uses it?

Ah...the "hidden agenda"..geared for people to pay current prices for "their own" ticket and they have probably pro-rated the expiration add on to future price increases!!.

It feels good to give family & friends my partial tickets to use and points @ my DVC for them to have a really great vacation, knowing they really can't afford it and would never get there any other way.

Im sure if D got a cut from E-bay, et al..this wouldn't be happening.

BTW...guess I should be happy that DVC dues will increase too??

So glad that I also have my 4 weeks of RCI timeshares, that I trade for 2-3 bedroom units in Orlando..and..pay $350-450 each..yearly dues..for many yrs. with NO increases in @ least 5 yrs!!

someone please...savedisney.com

 

[tjkraz]

Abuse by adults??
Buy a ticket, use a ticket, who cares who uses it?

Disney does, and always has. Tickets have always been sold as "non-transferrable", regardless of what people have actually done with them. With the new pricing scheme slanted toward buying more days and permanently locking the pass into one user, I think some of the immediate goals are pretty evident:

1. People buy more days than they really need due to the slanted pricing at the 7 and 10 day purchase options. This could have one of two effects:
a) People plan return trips sooner than they had previously anticipated, or
b) People give Disney their money up-front and then either stick the pass in a drawer indefinitely or never end up using it at all.

2. Rather than two people sharing a 7-day pass, you have two people buying their own passes. Since prices become more economical as you buy more days, Disney has either sold two short-duration tickets with higher profit margins, or two longer duration passes, which relate back to #1 above.

As I said in this thread or another, it's clear that Disney has quite a bit of money to make by helping to restrict activities that violate the "non-transferrability" clauses that have always existed. As a frequent visitor, DVC owner and shareholder, I'd much rather see them increase the bottom line via these new pass restrictions rather than another across-the-board price increase.

Im sure if D got a cut from E-bay, et al..this wouldn't be happening.

Yeah, but they can't, so it's irrelevant. Besides, tickets have always been sold as one pass, one user. I don't know why it's so hard to swallow that they are simply taking steps to ensure that people cannot use tickets otherwise.

BTW...guess I should be happy that DVC dues will increase too??

Huh?

someone please...savedisney.com

You're kidding, right? I'm certainly not a member of the Michael Eisner fan club, but Savedisney.com lost its relevance about 9 months ago. Does the movement even still exist? Last time I checked, Roy and Stan basically issued a mea culpa and backed the board's plan subsequent to Eisner's resignation.

And, at risk of beating a dead horse, I still don't see how anything Disney is doing with regard to tickets will HURT the company. Last time I checked, protecting the use of your product and thereby increasing revenues is supposed to be a GOOD thing.

 

[Tagrel]

How exactly is this biometric attachment to tickets going to work? Will a name be required for all ticket purchases (a name per ticket?) Will they each be activated like an AP is? If they are not, I don't see how showing ID means anything if the name of the ticket holder isn't on the ticket... MAN are the lines going to be long!

 

[tjkraz]

How exactly is this biometric attachment to tickets going to work? Will a name be required for all ticket purchases (a name per ticket?) Will they each be activated like an AP is? If they are not, I don't see how showing ID means anything if the name of the ticket holder isn't on the ticket... MAN are the lines going to be long!

If administered properly, it shouldn't be a big hassle. There should be no more than three entry points for receiving tickets:

1. Mail Order - Each ticketholders name and info could be gathered at the time of purchase. This could easily include passes purchased as gifts. The ready-to-use pass would be mailed to the purchaser with the owner's info already printed on the exterior.

2. Resort - Pretty much the same process as is used now. The resort already has guest names and addresses--it's just a matter of passing that data along to a printed park ticket.

3. Guest Services - Here there would be a delay (the same as with an AP purchase) as info is gathered and recorded.

Other points of purchase could be vouchers which are redeemable at Guest Services and/or the resort.

As is the case with APs, the biometric data is captured the first time a pass is used at the turnstiles, and verified during subsequent entries. If the biometrics don't work, a driver's license or photo ID is often requested before entry granted.

Although I've heard some colorful stories about the biometric rejection rate, I can honestly say that DW and I have a 100% success rate thus far. It must be working (within an acceptable margin for error) or Disney would have adopted something else by now.

All of the above is speculation based upon postings here, but it certainly seems feasible to me.

 

[Buz]

My DS13 has an AP, he is required to use the bio-scan. We bought and used the AP last Dec. He was 3 inches shorter than he is now. He used his AP again in June and today at MK with no problem. I guess all the growing didn't effect his bio-scan.

 

[eileenfk]

I have privacy issues, so here's a question:

we are planning to go the AP route next year. It's bad enough that DVC has my ssn. What if I don't want to give them a bio scan? Are AP's allowed without it? I'd be happy to carry my passport around rather than submit to this kind of intrusiveness. Next it will probably be a DNA scan. Where does it end?

I might not like the privacy aspect, however I recognize that if I am on Disney Property, they have a right to know I am there, and have a right to know who I am.

I think that this biometric thing has as much to do with security as it does with keeping people from stealing admission (by having multiple people use a multi-day pass intended for one person).
Of course, those who plan to do anything devious, while on Disney property, probably already have the old style admission tickets, or are stocking up on them right now.
At some point, I see them asking people to trade in the old tickets for the new tickets (giving all the same options on the new ticket as is on the old ticket).

- Eileen

 

[DrTomorrow]

[...] I think that this biometric thing has as much to do with security as it does with keeping people from stealing admission (by having multiple people use a multi-day pass intended for one person). [...] - Eileen

Eileen, I disagree. I believe that lost revenue - and the large black market for tickets - concerns Disney much more than knowing who's in the park. Aren't they still going to sell one-day one-park passes? If so, a potential bad-guy (or bad-girl) isn't going to worry about getting the cheapest ticket....

 

[tjkraz]

What if I don't want to give them a bio scan? Are AP's allowed without it? I'd be happy to carry my passport around rather than submit to this kind of intrusiveness.

It isn't a "bio scan", it is a biometric finger scan. You insert your index and middle finger into a reader making a "V" shape, and the reader takes measurements regarding the size of your digits. There is no fingerprinting involved or other intrusive scan.

Call me crazy, but seems like someone could go a lot further toward identity theft by getting info from a passport (like the CM you would have to show it to every time you walk through a gate) than they could knowing the contours of your fingers.

 

[Sammie]

Eileen, I disagree. I believe that lost revenue - and the large black market for tickets - concerns Disney much more than knowing who's in the park. Aren't they still going to sell one-day one-park passes? If so, a potential bad-guy (or bad-girl) isn't going to worry about getting the cheapest ticket....

Agreed and it eliminates the resale of them on Ebay.

 

[sjdisneywedding]

Of course not.

Yes, they will record the biometric patterns for anyone using and adult ticket. But if the scan fails, no CM is ever going to turn to a 12 year old and say "sorry, I can't let you join your family without a state ID."

When all else fails, common sense rules.

ohh of course what a silly question, my mistake.

whats the point of having them even get the scan in the first place then then?

 

[tjkraz]

whats the point of having them even get the scan in the first place then then?

Don't know for certain, but my guess would be that it's an operational issue. Perhaps all child APs are coded to completely ignore the finger scan while all adult APs (which probably do not directly track the age of the holder) will prompt for the scan.

I imagine it would also serve as a deterrent for those who do not fully understand the system.

 

[deerh]

By: senecabeach:So glad that I also have my 4 weeks of RCI timeshares, that I trade for 2-3 bedroom units in Orlando..and..pay $350-450 each..yearly dues..for many yrs. with NO increases in @ least 5 yrs!!

You go right ahead and stay OFF property, and all those hassles, I will stay at DVC and catch the bus!!!

No increases in 5 years??? Wonder how the properties will look in 10 years?
The same as Disney??
DeerH