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[LisaR]

The evidence suggests they weren't stopping them at all, they were more likely trying to slow them down so the other bikes could get ahead of them and have open highway to do tricks. Also if he got off the highway because they slashed his tires why didn't he get off till the second time he came to a stop? Could it be that they didn't slash his tires until after he ran over their friend and left the scene of an accident which is what they claim?

Note to self:
When a large group of motorcyclists surround my SUV, yell things at me from my driver's side window, and cut in front of me and slam on their brakes, assume that their only intention is to slow down my vehicle so they can have an open road to do tricks. Got it.

 

[JakeJenna]

You can't be serious?! How can you possibly think they had no intentions of harming the driver of the SUV? He took off, running over the motorcyclist because they were trying to break his window, were slashing his tires and caused the original accident! As for making up facts of previous incidents - they showed another video from last year where they did the same thing, except that driver didn't take off and they still beat him.

And no, I don't believe everything I read on the internet or see/hear on the news, but I certainly believe it more than somebody making up possible scenarios that could have happened, especially somebody who wasn't in the heat of it and didn't feel like their life or the lives of their family were threatened.

And yes, purposely, repeatedly, intimidating people with your group of friends, does make one a thug, whether on a bike or not.

Do you have access to a different video because I sure couldn't see that. Someone cited that video then showed a video of one guy throwing one punch and everyone going on about there way, wouldn't a band of thugs have pulled him out of his car and beat him? Couldn't it have been just be one idiot? So again if anyone knows where to find this mysterious video of this "gang" beating someone I would love to see it.

 

[moon]

I will have to assume you are trolling. I got caught.

You're right. It can't be real.

 

[JakeJenna]

"Trying to slow them down"? Do you think that was OK? Break-checking is illegal, you know.

So is the five over I do on the highway, hmm I must be a gangster.

I will have to assume you are trolling. I got caught.

why because I disagree with the majority?

Note to self:
When a large group of motorcyclists surround my SUV, yell things at me from my driver's side window, and cut in front of me and slam on their brakes, assume that their only intention is to slow down my vehicle so they can have an open road to do tricks. Got it.

It's not about what you should assume in the moment, it's about all of us looking back at what happened. As I have said numerous times I understand why he was scared, that does not mean he didn't overreact. I'm just curious how many of you think George Zimmerman should be in prison right now?

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

So is the five over I do on the highway, hmm I must be a gangster. why because I disagree with the majority? It's not about what you should assume in the moment, it's about all of us looking back at what happened. As I have said numerous times I understand why he was scared, that does not mean he didn't overreact. I'm just curious how many of you think George Zimmerman should be in prison right now?

When you travel with 30 of your friends and try to stop traffic on a freeway for your own enjoyment, yes, you probably are. And thug isn't always the same as gangster.

But again, what should he have done? He did originally stop. He did call 911. Just sit and take whatever they were going to dish out?

 

[brockash]

So is the five over I do on the highway, hmm I must be a gangster.

why because I disagree with the majority?

It's not about what you should assume in the moment, it's about all of us looking back at what happened. As I have said numerous times I understand why he was scared, that does not mean he didn't overreact. I'm just curious how many of you think George Zimmerman should be in prison right now?

The difference...thank goodness in this situation we do have some video...and yes from the video alone ALL of those bikers should be charged with a plethora of crimes. They were out there doing nothing good that day only looking for trouble and that's at the very least. They all looked like disgusting animals and should all be in jail.

 

[SleepyatDVC]

No matter how "bad" the biker was, I'm sorry he was so badly hurt. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. There is no evidence - meaning I didn't see or read anywhere - that he was one of the ones actually hitting, slashing, or harassing the driver. The group of bikers were all jerks but I'm sure some were worse then others, and some would not have gone that far.

That being said, I would have done exactly the same thing to get away. I don't think the driver wanted to run over someone but he was surrounded and there was no way to drive away without knocking some bikes over and unfortunately the biker who was in the way.

I read a dozen reports/accounts and saw the video. The biker that stopped short caused the accident. After the "accident" bikers starting to pound on SUV and slashed their tires according to reports. That would have scared the hell out of me. SUV called 911 and drove away when slashing began. The slashed tires were WHY the SUV had to get off the highway, he could no longer drive on the tires. So the slashing and pulling of the knives happened before they stopped him and dragged him out of the car.

It's a sad outcome for the biker regardless of his contribution in starting this incident. Maybe he really was a "bystander" although probably not so innocent. However, I'm more sorry for the SUV family who really were innocent and were being baited by a group to take drastic measures to protect themselves.

The bikers were lucky more of them weren't seriously injured. After reviewing all the reports I could find, the one serious injury was justified.

I do hope he recovers and changes a whole leaf. But deep down, I doubt it. He just became his family's meal ticket in a civil suit against the SUV family. I feel even more sorry for the SUV guy because the harassment from those bikers will last for years beyond that terrifying afternoon...

 

[Imzadi]

Minus the "slashing" which I have only read on the DIS which isn't all the reliable heck yea I would have beat him for purposely running over anyone let alone my friend.

Do you have access to a different video because I sure couldn't see that. Someone cited that video then showed a video of one guy throwing one punch and everyone going on about there way, wouldn't a band of thugs have pulled him out of his car and beat him? Couldn't it have been just be one idiot? So again if anyone knows where to find this mysterious video of this "gang" beating someone I would love to see it.

It isn't just posted on the DIS. I posted news articles from legitimate NYC newspapers.

AGAIN, this one link says:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/pack-motorcyclists-chase-man-suv-attack-upper-manhattan-street-fender-bender-west-side-highway-article-1.1471585

"'Hes surrounded by about 20 to 30 motorcyclists,' Kelly said. 'They take their helmets and they start to dent his car and apparently his tires are slashed there with a knife. Hes in the car with his wife. He continues to drive.' " [. . .]

"The footage then cuts off  but police say the bikers pulled Lien from his SUV, beat him to the ground and slashed his face."

Bikers. Plural. Kelly is NYC Police Commissioner Ray Kelly.

There are plenty of sources that show the video in various segments. I think there was one on GMA or World News tonight with Diane Sawyer which does a whole play by play of the one rider turning around, and doing a brake check. They zoom in on the footage. You can see the speed of the rider as he suddenly slows and the SUV can't stop in time.

In the articles I linked to, you can see guys by the side of his car, taking their helmets bashing in the car windows. Another picture shows a third person at the back windshield, also hitting it.

Google for videos, yourself. I'm sure if I waste my time doing it, like the other poster who said she can't watch videos, you'll say you have a "problem" viewing any link I look up and post. You already didn't bother looking at any of the NEWS links I posted.

 

[JakeJenna]

When you travel with 30 of your friends and try to stop traffic on a freeway for your own enjoyment, yes, you probably are. And thug isn't always the same as gangster.

But again, what should he have done? He did originally stop. He did call 911. Just sit and take whatever they were going to dish out?

"They take their helmets and they start to dent his car, and apparently his tires are slashed there," Kelly said.
This is what the police commissioner (or whoever was speaking on the behalf of the PD) said. So as a PP said running someone over because of property damage? The fact the police say apparently makes me think THEY question if this happened the way most here assume it did. Anyway off to bed I go.

 

[SleepyatDVC]

"They take their helmets and they start to dent his car, and apparently his tires are slashed there," Kelly said.
This is what the police commissioner (or whoever was speaking on the behalf of the PD) said. So as a PP said running someone over because of property damage? The fact the police say apparently makes me think THEY question if this happened the way most here assume it did. Anyway off to bed I go.

I don't think of it as running away because of property damage to an empty car. I doubt they cared about their car at all at that point. If I were in the car, I would think of it as them trying to break INTO my car with my wife and child in it and then what? Giving us a hug? No, killing us!

In my mind, normal people don't pull these destructive antics. Crazy people do and crazy people are the ones that kill people!

 

[Imzadi]

"They take their helmets and they start to dent his car, and apparently his tires are slashed there," Kelly said.
This is what the police commissioner (or whoever was speaking on the behalf of the PD) said. So as a PP said running someone over because of property damage? The fact the police say apparently makes me think THEY question if this happened the way most here assume it did. Anyway off to bed I go.

You are confusing the word, "apparently" with the words "allegedly" or "assumedly." They all begin with "a' and mean quite different things.

 

[JakeJenna]

It isn't just posted on the DIS. I posted news articles from legitimate NYC newspapers.

AGAIN, this one link says:

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Bikers. Plural. Kelly is NYC Police Commissioner Ray Kelly.

There are plenty of sources that show the video in various segments. I think there was one on GMA or World News tonight with Diane Sawyer which does a whole play by play of the one rider turning around, and doing a brake check. They zoom in on the footage. You can see the speed of the rider as he suddenly slows and the SUV can't stop in time.

In the articles I linked to, you can see guys by the side of his car, taking their helmets bashing in the car windows. Another picture shows a third person at the back windshield, also hitting it.

Google for videos, yourself. I'm sure if I waste my time doing it, like the other poster who said she can't watch videos, you'll say you have a "problem" viewing any link I look up and post. You already didn't bother looking at any of the NEWS links I posted.

I actually did read the first post article you linked. When a "news" article refers to a group as thugs and fails to mention the original accident it doesn't have much credibility with me so I admittedly did not read the rest.

 

[Imzadi]

I don't think of it as running away because of property damage to an empty car. I doubt they cared about their car at all at that point. If I were in the car, I would think of it as them trying to break INTO my car with my wife and child in it and then what? Giving us a hug? No, killing us!

In my mind, normal people don't pull these destructive antics. Crazy people do and crazy people are the ones that kill people!

Or pull them out of their car and beat them unconscious and slash their face with a knife. Which is exactly what DID happen. No "allegedly" or "assumedly" about that. And it doesn't matter if ONE person did it, or many. That driver DID end up being violently attacked. The end proved he DID have (at least) one person to fear. THE GUY WITH THE KNIFE. One person does it and it makes it less of a crime or fear??? Then we should let every single murderer, (who acted alone,) out of prison. Not!

 

[Imzadi]

I actually did read the first post article you linked. When a "news" article refers to a group as thugs and fails to mention the original accident it doesn't have much credibility with me so I admittedly did not read the rest.

You asked for other sources and they were supplied. The different links corroborate each other in details. NOW, you are deeming what is credible or not. AND you will not do any of your OWN research to find any other information. . . Are you related to that other poster who didn't bother watching any videos (even on TV) and just posted a whole bunch of uninformed opinions?

 

[brockash]

"They take their helmets and they start to dent his car, and apparently his tires are slashed there," Kelly said.
This is what the police commissioner (or whoever was speaking on the behalf of the PD) said. So as a PP said running someone over because of property damage? The fact the police say apparently makes me think THEY question if this happened the way most here assume it did. Anyway off to bed I go.

You're really unbelievable. Well if you or your family find yourselves as the next victim...remember these animals surrounding your car, beating on your windows; slashing your tires with your family, including your toddler inside, are only attempting to damage your property, so remember to sit in your car; do nothing and patiently wait for the police to arrive at which time you can file your "property damage" report.

Sweet Dreams.

 

[JakeJenna]

You are confusing the word, "apparently" with the words "allegedly" or "assumedly." They all begin with "a' and mean quite different things.

I don't agree with you so now I'm ignorant? Stay classy

according to appearances, initial evidence, incomplete results, etc.; ostensible rather than actual: He was the apparent winner of the election.

 

[Imzadi]

I don't agree with you so now I'm ignorant? Stay classy

according to appearances, initial evidence, incomplete results, etc.; ostensible rather than actual: He was the apparent winner of the election.

YES, according to the initial evidence and the appearance of his tires being slashed, they were. And anyone who has listened to police press conferences, the police make statements as to the initial evidence, until further research comes in. It doesn't mean his tires weren't slashed.

Done with you.

 

[BellePrincessBelle]

"They take their helmets and they start to dent his car, and apparently his tires are slashed there," Kelly said. This is what the police commissioner (or whoever was speaking on the behalf of the PD) said. So as a PP said running someone over because of property damage? The fact the police say apparently makes me think THEY question if this happened the way most here assume it did. Anyway off to bed I go.

I'm going to take the dis points slap on the wrist for everyone on this thread. You are an ignorant idiot & most likely a troll. If you are serious then you are a ******* to boot.

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[dakcp2001]

Some people will look at a blue sky and call it red. That doesn't mean it is actually red, it just means their perspective is discolored. You will never convince them it is blue, no matter how many pictures links or articles showing that it is clearly blue. It is not "disagreeing" it is ignoring what is right in front of your face. You cannot reason with crazy, you will never win. The evidence will prevail.

 

[elgerber]

I actually did read the first post article you linked. When a "news" article refers to a group as thugs and fails to mention the original accident it doesn't have much credibility with me so I admittedly did not read the rest.

Wow, wow, and wow! I usually stay out of these heated conversations, but this is too much. Have you watched the full video? Have you seen the still photo's of the driver after being beaten?
Have you seen any of the news footage with the police speaking to the press about what happened? The police are not credible??