Have you gotten a COVID vaccine?

[disneyholic family]

Why do you ask about bleeding disorders or if someone is taking an anticoagulant?

they don't ask that where i live.
they only ask 3 questions.
1. do you have a fever?
2. have you had a serious reaction to anything in the past.
3. have you had another vaccine in the past 14 days

That's it. And then they vaccinate you.

by the way, i laughed when she asked the first question, given that your temperature is taken to get into the building.
So if i'm sitting there, then it's proof positive i don't have a fever.
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[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I agree with you. After health care workers, the elderly should be the next group. Then other front line workers.

I’ve seen it equated to an octopus. If we just cut of a tentacle, there are 7 more still spreading. We have to kill the octopus, so the tentacles can’t do anything anymore (meaning spread). So we need to vaccinate the people/places it’s spreading fastest first.

Our governor just made a statement that she would support those in corrections (inmates, staff, etc) getting the vaccine before the general pop. For context correction facilities are still the second highest in cluster numbers (behind long-term care) with over 6,000 cases. Half of the prison population in my state has contracted COVID and we supposedly have the 3rd highest prison rate in the country (we do have a federal prison which had a very large outbreak early on in the pandemic). Its been said that the rate of spread in prisons is 4X higher than general pop across the country.

Whether this actually happens I'm not sure but she did want to stress that those involved are not just people who have committed crimes but they also include correction officers, those who provide medical services, who provide food, etc. It wasn't listed on the chart and correction facilities have sorta been not talked about in vaccine plans.

I don't mention this to launch a debate on the morals and ethics involved in this but speaking towards your comment. I'm honestly on the track that each place needs to be able to look at their cases and individual situation even if I don't always agree with positioning. According to the governor she's "basing her action on science and what we know works." Whether that stays that way is anyone's guess.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Why do you ask about bleeding disorders or if someone is taking an anticoagulant?

That is honestly a very good question IMO. My husband's grandmother has blood cancer it basically causes her blood to be extremely thick and she has to take blood thinners and go in for treatments nowadays for it. This makes me wonder what a shot would have on her in that case for them to ask. Routine or not it's an interesting question.

 

[nicolita3]

I am in Arizona and work in long term facilities and am still waiting, hopefully next week I will be able to get it.

 

[disneyholic family]

Our governor just made a statement that she would support those in corrections (inmates, staff, etc) getting the vaccine before the general pop. For context correction facilities are still the second highest in cluster numbers (behind long-term care) with over 6,000 cases. Half of the prison population in my state has contracted COVID and we supposedly have the 3rd highest prison rate in the country (we do have a federal prison which had a very large outbreak early on in the pandemic). Its been said that the rate of spread in prisons is 4X higher than general pop across the country.

Whether this actually happens I'm not sure but she did want to stress that those involved are not just people who have committed crimes but they also include correction officers, those who provide medical services, who provide food, etc. It wasn't listed on the chart and correction facilities have sorta been not talked about in vaccine plans.

I don't mention this to launch a debate on the morals and ethics involved in this but speaking towards your comment. I'm honestly on the track that each place needs to be able to look at their cases and individual situation even if I don't always agree with positioning. According to the governor she's "basing her action on science and what we know works." Whether that stays that way is anyone's guess.

Prison workers are defined as essential workers, so they are already included in the chart.
They will be vaccinated with essential workers.
As for prison inmates?
If they're over 65 (or whatever the cutoff has been defined as in the US), then they should be vaccinated with that group.
If they're young and not high risk, then they should be the very last in line.

It's my understanding that the CDC has now walked back their original recommendations.
That they now say that elderly should be vaccinated right after healthcare workers and before essential workers.

This is obvious. You vaccinate those who are at the highest risk of death.
Someone over the age of 85 has something like a 900 times higher risk of death from covid than someone in their 20s.
Why in heavens name would you vaccinate the person in their 20s before the person who has such a high risk of death.

It was a nonsensical decision by the CDC and thank god they've shown a bit of sense and revised their earlier recommendation.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Prison workers are defined as essential workers, so they are already included in the chart.
They will be vaccinated with essential workers.
As for prison inmates?
If they're over 65 (or whatever the cutoff has been defined as in the US), then they should be vaccinated with that group.
If they're young and not high risk, then they should be the very last in line.

It's my understanding that the CDC has now walked back their original recommendations.
That they now say that elderly should be vaccinated right after healthcare workers and before essential workers.

This is obvious. You vaccinate those who are at the highest risk of death.
Someone over the age of 85 has something like a 900 times higher risk of death from covid than someone in their 20s.
Why in heavens name would you vaccinate the person in their 20s before the person who has such a high risk of death.

It was a nonsensical decision by the CDC and thank god they've shown a bit of sense and revised their earlier recommendation.

I'm sorry you're incorrect on your points here at least what I was discussing. Remember I am talking about my state and I am NOT debating ethics involved. That's your own opinion to which you're entitled to. I was speaking directly to the person's point about getting to the places where it spreads the fastest. People do say that...but then they trip up when it comes to people they don't personally believe should get it even though that's where it spreads the fastest. Fact is in my state corrections facilities are responsible for a lot of spread, the second highest in terms of clusters.

1) Prisons and corrections facilities are defined as congregate settings same as long-term care facilities. Workers are not defined as essential workers such that you think they are part of "congregate settings". The exact quote from my governor is "It's not just prisoners that we're talking about. There are a lot of people, state employees who work in those facilities, who are the correctional officers, who provide medical service, who provide food service," "There are all sorts of other people who were not convicted of a crime who work in those facilities, and vaccinations protect them, too."

2) Corrections staff who work in my state's Department of Corrections medical units are considered health care workers and thus are included in the first phase.

3) COVID does not spread based on age. In a congregate setting you could not just vaccinate based on age. That would be an incomplete strategy. We are not doing that in long-term care settings either. Long-term care settings are also "congregate settings". We do not say sorry you're 64 you can't get vaccinated even though you live in a memory care unit of a long-term care facility. Long-term care workers are also being vaccinated despite their age and overall health. That is because they work in these congregate settings (many of whom actually introduce the virus into the center just like prisons and correction facilities with people coming from outside in).

4) Here statement is as follows: "I'm going to continue to take action based on the science and what we know works," "We do know that congregate living centers are hotspots, whether you talk about prisons, you talk about nursing homes. The only way ultimately to rid those kinds of facilities of the virus is for the vaccination to come. It makes all sorts of sense for us to include all congregate settings in the first line of vaccines." "When asked for clarification twice that she would support prisoners getting vaccinated before the general population, she said yes, because prisons and correctional facilities are congregate settings."

5) Remember we're talking about spread here.

 

[disneyholic family]

I'm sorry you're incorrect on your points here at least what I was discussing. Remember I am talking about my state and I am NOT debating ethics involved. That's your own opinion to which you're entitled to. I was speaking directly to the person's point about getting to the places where it spreads the fastest. People do say that...but then they trip up when it comes to people they don't personally believe should get it even though that's where it spreads the fastest. Fact is in my state corrections facilities are responsible for a lot of spread, the second highest in terms of clusters.

1) Prisons and corrections facilities are defined as congregate settings same as long-term care facilities. Workers are not defined as essential workers such that you think they are part of "congregate settings". The exact quote from my governor is "It's not just prisoners that we're talking about. There are a lot of people, state employees who work in those facilities, who are the correctional officers, who provide medical service, who provide food service," "There are all sorts of other people who were not convicted of a crime who work in those facilities, and vaccinations protect them, too."

2) Corrections staff who work in my state's Department of Corrections medical units are considered health care workers and thus are included in the first phase.

3) COVID does not spread based on age. In a congregate setting you could not just vaccinate based on age. That would be an incomplete strategy. We are not doing that in long-term care settings either. Long-term care settings are also "congregate settings". We do not say sorry you're 64 you can't get vaccinated even though you live in a memory care unit of a long-term care facility. Long-term care workers are also being vaccinated despite their age and overall health. That is because they work in these congregate settings (many of whom actually introduce the virus into the center just like prisons and correction facilities with people coming from outside in).

4) Here statement is as follows: "I'm going to continue to take action based on the science and what we know works," "We do know that congregate living centers are hotspots, whether you talk about prisons, you talk about nursing homes. The only way ultimately to rid those kinds of facilities of the virus is for the vaccination to come. It makes all sorts of sense for us to include all congregate settings in the first line of vaccines." "When asked for clarification twice that she would support prisoners getting vaccinated before the general population, she said yes, because prisons and correctional facilities are congregate settings."

5) Remember we're talking about spread here.

The CDC now disagrees with you and has advised that the vaccine be given based on risk of death not risk of spread.
Which again, is the logical decision if you want to avoid thousands of additional deaths.

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[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

The CDC now disagrees with you and has advised that the vaccine be given based on risk of death not risk of spread.
Which again, is the logical decision if you want to avoid thousands of additional deaths.

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Disagrees with me? I'm not the one saying it It's my governor

And none of my comments are related to the CDC...as I tried to explain.

And again I was talking about spread...and again it was because of the poster whom I quoted who said "I’ve seen it equated to an octopus. If we just cut of a tentacle, there are 7 more still spreading. We have to kill the octopus, so the tentacles can’t do anything anymore (meaning spread). So we need to vaccinate the people/places it’s spreading fastest first." That's what prompted my comment so your disagrees with me comment well go quote the others who discussed getting to places where it spreads the fastest and tell them the CDC now disagrees with them. I'm not the one who even started that conversation.

I'm not really sure you're understanding what I'm talking about based on your comments so let's just move on perhaps

 

[disneyholic family]

Disagrees with me? I'm not the one saying it It's my governor

And none of my comments are related to the CDC...as I tried to explain.

And again I was talking about spread...and again it was because of the poster whom I quoted who said "I’ve seen it equated to an octopus. If we just cut of a tentacle, there are 7 more still spreading. We have to kill the octopus, so the tentacles can’t do anything anymore (meaning spread). So we need to vaccinate the people/places it’s spreading fastest first." That's what prompted my comment so your disagrees with me comment well go quote the others who discussed getting to places where it spreads the fastest and tell them the CDC now disagrees with them. I'm not the one who even started that conversation.

I'm not really sure you're understanding what I'm talking about based on your comments so let's just move on perhaps

the CDC disagrees with your governor.
The CDC has put out new guidelines.
The guidelines call for the elderly to be vaccinated right after healthcare workers and BEFORE essential workers.
In other words, second in priority to healthcare workers.
The CDC revised their original guidelines, since the original guidelines will result in the death of thousands of elderly before they are vaccinated.
The CDC realized they couldn't distribute vaccine based on 'social justice' (not my term).

As Yascha Mounk posted on Twitter: "When the CDC is willing to kill thousands of people in the name of social justice, it's hard to know whom or what to trust.
So I wrote about its shocking failure of judgment, and my crisis of faith in America’s institutions, for @JoinPersuasion"

https://www.persuasion.community/p/why-im-losing-trust-in-the-institutions
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[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

the CDC disagrees with your governor.
The CDC has put out new guidelines.
The guidelines call for the elderly to be vaccinated right after healthcare workers and BEFORE essential workers.
In other words, second in priority to healthcare workers.
The CDC revised their original guidelines, since the original guidelines will result in the death of thousands of elderly before they are vaccinated.
The CDC gave in and decided they couldn't distribute vaccine based on 'social justice' (not my term).

As Yascha Mounk posted on Twitter: "When the CDC is willing to kill thousands of people in the name of social justice, it's hard to know whom or what to trust.
So I wrote about its shocking failure of judgment, and my crisis of faith in America’s institutions, for @JoinPersuasion"

https://www.persuasion.community/p/why-im-losing-trust-in-the-institutions
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Yeah...let's move on Sorry

 

[a1tinkfans]

Nope and despite being immunocompromised likely will be a long while. Glad our Gov giving to frontline workers and elderly first. stay safe all and THANKS for getting this vaccine done So Fast!!! Yeah, thanks for ALL the Good accomplished!

 

[skeeter31]

the CDC disagrees with your governor.
The CDC has put out new guidelines.
The guidelines call for the elderly to be vaccinated right after healthcare workers and BEFORE essential workers.
In other words, second in priority to healthcare workers.
The CDC revised their original guidelines, since the original guidelines will result in the death of thousands of elderly before they are vaccinated.
The CDC realized they couldn't distribute vaccine based on 'social justice' (not my term).

As Yascha Mounk posted on Twitter: "When the CDC is willing to kill thousands of people in the name of social justice, it's hard to know whom or what to trust.
So I wrote about its shocking failure of judgment, and my crisis of faith in America’s institutions, for @JoinPersuasion"

https://www.persuasion.community/p/why-im-losing-trust-in-the-institutions
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Right, but states aren’t required to follow the CDC guidance, as it’s just that, guidance. Every state is rolling out the vaccine differently. @Mackenzie Click-Mickelson was pointing out how her state will be handling, just as you have pointed out how your nation will be handling it in earlier posts.

 

[disneyholic family]

Nope and despite being immunocompromised likely will be a long while. Glad our Gov giving to frontline workers and elderly first. stay safe all and THANKS for getting this vaccine done So Fast!!! Yeah, thanks for ALL the Good accomplished!

Immunocompromised can get the vaccine, but you should speak with your doctor.

This is from the Henry Ford Hospital website (major hospital center in Detroit)
"If you have any condition which weakens your immune system, you may not have protection against COVID-19 infection.
However, it is safe to receive the vaccine if you are immunocompromised.
For instance, if you are on immunosuppressive medication, or a transplant recipient, there are no safety concerns, but you may not get as strong a protective response.
You should address your individual concerns with your primary medical provider."

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[disneyholic family]

Right, but states aren’t required to follow the CDC guidance, as it’s just that, guidance. Every state is rolling out the vaccine differently. @Mackenzie Click-Mickelson was pointing out how her state will be handling, just as you have pointed out how your nation will be handling it in earlier posts.

read Yasha Mounk's article. It's very good. And to place him, he's considered to be on the left (he writes a lot in the Atlantic).

also, every country that i'm familiar with has prioritized the elderly, except for the US (until the CDC's change of heart).
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[skeeter31]

read Yasha Mounk's article. It's very good. And to place him, he's considered to be on the left (he writes a lot in the Atlantic).

also, every country that i'm familiar with has prioritized the elderly, except for the US (until the CDC's change of heart).
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I‘m not arguing the point with you, nor were other posters, we were just pointing out what certain states in the US are going to be doing. None of us were saying which way is right and which way is wrong. I read the article, it doesn’t help in this situation as to what certain state governments are going to choose to do.

But that doesn’t seem to matter to you. You have to just keep harping on what the CDC changed their guidelines too and trying to argue with us as to why that’s right. No one is counterpointing you so there is no need to continue trying to win. There’s nothing to win as there isn’t even an argument going on.

 

[tennisfan]

Enough moaning with our Ambulance trust has resulted in them working with hospitals to secure some vaccines for us. I'm booked in for Tuesday

 

[mom2rtk]

Enough moaning with our Ambulance trust has resulted in them working with hospitals to secure some vaccines for us. I'm booked in for Tuesday

It's ridiculous there had to be moaning involved. So glad someone finally figured it out and you will be vaccinated soon.

 

[tennisfan]

It's ridiculous there had to be moaning involved. So glad someone finally figured it out and you will be vaccinated soon.

Moaning us something we are good at in the Ambulance service . I know the service would prefer to use the Oxford-Astra Zenica one as it can be stored in fridge therefore easier for administering on stations etc but it hasn't been signed off and paper has only just gone in so makes sense to start with whatever vaccines are available

 

[indimom]

they're vaccinating people who've had covid?
I'd heard that they weren't....
or maybe that's where i live (israel).

It probably does vary country by country, or even state by state. I contacted our infection prevention coordinator at the hospital to fine out whether I should sign up for the vaccination, get titers, etc. They said the current recommendations, were to get the vaccine. I work with patients who would be considered high risk so I wanted to do whatever I could to prevent the chance of spreading it.

I had covid (positive antibodies in August with a mild case) and my first shot was miserable for a few hours too. I got the vaccine at 0700 and woke up at 0100 the next morning with chills and body aches..Yuck. I felt better by the afternoon and was totally fine the next day. A coworker who had also had covid had similar symptoms. Most of the staff who have not have reported sore arms.

Yeah, I'm the only person I know who had that strong of a response. So, hopefully, our next round will not be as bad...

Dr Fauci is recommending those who have had covid to still get the vaccine. I'm and ER nurse who's currently giving the vaccine to other hospital staff members... We ask those checking in:
Are you feeling well today? (No URI symptoms)
Have you had the covid vaccine already?
Have you had any serious reactions to any medications or vaccines in the past?
Have you been treated using passive antibody therapy for covid in the past?
Do you have any bleeding disorders or do you take an anticoagulant?

I think that's it..... We definitely don't ask if they've had covid.

Those are the same questions I answered before my vaccination.

my hospital is having anyone who had covid wait 90 days to get the vaccine.

I don't know if it would have decreased how strong my immune response was. Our infection prevention coordinator was involved throughout my infection and quarantine process; and, they encouraged me to get the vaccine in this round.

 

[sasywtch]

I dont know if the pp is from CA but I do know they just did the vaccines in the prison in Stockton. I have no qualms with them giving it to the guards, medical personnel and food workers but to young prisoners? My daughter's long term skilled hasn't gotten permission yet to vaccinate their cna's or RNs which is awful 3 people have already died there from it and many cna's have been sick from it.