Have we actually sunk this far??

[JDMickey]

If this was not a magazine aimed at kids I guess I would not think it was as bad.

While I will agree that comics are still read by kids, most comics are targeted at older audiences. David Goyer, one of the writers in question, is known for screenplay work on Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. So clearly his style of writing is aimed at the older crowd.

 

[JDMickey]

Edited: rethought my words, sorry for the extra posts

 

[nytimez]

Correct.. It IS his right. It's also my right to disagree with it, thus I posted this thread.

I think it does affect the United States. Every time someone with a bully pulpit spouts off and puts down the US in some insidious way, it does affect the country. Especially when writing a comic book. It could be taken as a low level form of indoctrination.

MG

There are about a million things that could improve the U.S. and sentiment for the U.S. -- and just as many that could hurt it.

On either list, a comic would would probably rank somewhere around 1,000,001st.

...but this is neither Disney Rumor nor Disney news...

 

[Cheshire Figment]

how did superman get his citizenship in the first place-- did his adoptive parents have someone forge a birth cirtificate? i doubt he came with one. I bet he's an illegal. i say deport him.

Maybe Trump asked for his birth certificate to prove he was a true American superhero...

I too was going to ask how he became a citizen as well. I mean, he was born on another planet and ended up in Kansas. Consider if an astronaut from another country was up in the atmosphere and came crashing down in Iowa, gets out and says "I'm an American!" We'd go "Oh hell no! Get back from whence you came!"

I doubt this will be a long term change but I still want to see papers

He come into the county illegally and when did he ever apply for citizenship anyway?

Did superman get a Green Card, Apply For Asylum or what?

If he ever obtained citizenship in the first place then it should be revoked.

I basically agree with all of these comments.

It is a well known fact that Superman was not born in the United States, and both his parents were not United States citizens.

He was raised in Smallville. However, was there every anything indicating (1) that he was legally adopted, or (2) that he ever either applied for or was given US Citizenship.

Therefore, not only is he not a US citizen, but he may not even be in the country legally. So how can he renounce what he does not have.

 

[ASteelersMidget]

There are about a million things that could improve the U.S. and sentiment for the U.S. -- and just as many that could hurt it.

On either list, a comic would would probably rank somewhere around 1,000,001st.

...but this is neither Disney Rumor nor Disney news...

Like us Apparently Killing Osama Bin Ladin?

 

[doconeill]

Random thoughts...it's early.

If he was attending foreign protest while carrying a U.S. passport, did he get a Visa? did he go through Customs? If not, he was a U.S. agent on foreign soil illegally...

Now that he's renounced his citizenship, can he enter ANY country legally? In what territory is his Fortress of Solitude?



In any case, the storyline as described makes a lot more sense that what I was getting from fanboys. However, remember that most of these comics in their Golden Age were also aimed at making kids believe that the U.S. was the best country, that all superheroes were there to defend us from evil, be it other countries, megalomaniacs or aliens, and only as time went on become more globally focused.

Now, a kid might read it and say, "Well, if Superman doesn't want to be a U.S. citizen any more..." It REALLY depends on how well they word it.

 

[pilferk]

You certainly may be correct, and I may be confused. For whatever reason I thought Disney acquired Superman with the Marvel acquisition.

MG

No.

Disney bought Marvel (Spiderman, X-men, Iron man...a whole host of others).

Warner owns DC (Superman, Batman, Wonderwoman..a whole host of others).

For those of you getting into a tizzy about this...it's comics. Heck, in the DC universe LEX LUTHOR was president.

And the reason he's renouncing his citizenship? Because his actions are having too much political fallout for the US. He shows up to non-violently support some protesters in Iran (who are protesting that regime..similar to the same regime in the "real world") and gets taken to task for it by the US National Security Advisor. He decides to renounce his citizenship so he doesn't bring "heat" on the US when he takes those sorts of actions.

In any event, this is about selling comic books..and look at the publicity this is getting DC.

And, in a few months, when he reclaims his citizenship and patriotic place defending "truth, justice, and the American way"...they'll get another nice spike in sales.

 

[pilferk]

If this was not a magazine aimed at kids I guess I would not think it was as bad. IMHO it is not good to try to make a child think being loyal to a country is a bad thing.

I just wish I had a presciption so I could cancell it.

You might want to check demos on who's buying comics.

Largely, it's not kids. It's men, ages 18-25. Sure, there's some penetration in the 12-18 sect, too...but not mostly.

 

[pilferk]

Correct.. It IS his right. It's also my right to disagree with it, thus I posted this thread.

I think it does affect the United States. Every time someone with a bully pulpit spouts off and puts down the US in some insidious way, it does affect the country. Especially when writing a comic book. It could be taken as a low level form of indoctrination.

MG

I'm not in any way being condecending with this question:

Did you read the story?

You should...because I think you're coming away with the wrong impression of what happens.

It's not an anti-American piece. Not really.

It's sort of anti-politics. Maybe slightly anti-establishment. But not anti-American.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

I'm not in any way being condecending with this question:

Did you read the story?

You should...because I think you're coming away with the wrong impression of what happens.

It's not an anti-American piece. Not really.

It's sort of anti-politics. Maybe slightly anti-establishment. But not anti-American.

I did not read it, other than the brief description offered by a pp. You are right, there is always the chance that when read in context I may have a different opinion. That said, I look at these things pretty skeptical and will not cut the writer any slack.
I would search out the piece now, but I'm heading to Vegas later today and I need to get packed.

MG

 

[pilferk]

I did not read it, other than the brief description offered by a pp. You are right, there is always the chance that when read in context I may have a different opinion. That said, I look at these things pretty skeptical and will not cut the writer any slack.
I would search out the piece now, but I'm heading to Vegas later today and I need to get packed.

MG

When you land, you can grab a copy here (assuming they're not sold out):

http://www.alternaterealitycomics.net/
4110 S. Maryland Pkwy. #8
Las Vegas, NV 89119

Not far off the strip and close to UNLV.

Have a safe trip.

 

[JDMickey]

You might want to check demos on who's buying comics.

Largely, it's not kids. It's men, ages 18-25. Sure, there's some penetration in the 12-18 sect, too...but not mostly.

Yea, I made a comment to this effect. I just wanted to add to firefly, if you younger children are into comics, I implore you to keep an eye on which they are reading. Not all comics are for kids, and like movies, the content ranges from 'G' rated to 'R' rated (and even 'X' rated) type content. Don't just assume comics are ok just because Batman or Superman are on them. DC Comics seems to be quite edgy and more adult orientated IMO than Marvel.

Sorry I derailed, just had to add that.

 

[Queenofspoons]

This thread would only work if it was Thor renouncing his U.S. citizenship because he is from Asgard.