Has Eisner truly lost his mind?

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You thought that getting in bed with Michael Moore was controversial. Check out this link to a story about Disney's plans to release a movie next week called Buffalo Soldiers, in which American servicemen are depicted as drug-smoking, sex-crazed thieves! All this while daily reports continue to bring news of our boys taking enemy fire in a hostile land. What could Disney be thinking?

http://www.drudgereport.com/bufsol.htm
 
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Unfortunately there was a time when some American military servicemen were "drug-smoking, sex-crazed thieves".
 

I got the impression from the article that this movie is based on an actual event. If it is a factual event, what is the outrage based on ? The timing of it based on current events ? Or is this a film that Disney/Mirmax just shouldn't do because it could be controversial ? Or is it just not a "Disney" type film ?
 
Personally, I think the release timing for this film is very poor. I don't know why they didn't hold off for awhile longer!?
 
"what is the outrage based on ?"

I think the outrage is based on a number of things, including these:

1. "At the film's open, a painted US flag is on the ground and is stepped on by marching soldiers." While elites on the coasts seem not to be offended by such things, the great majority of Americans take great umbrage at the desecration of the American flag whether it is being done as a political statement or (imho, worse) if it is being done for "artistic" purposes.

2. Timing--releasing a movie at this time is distasteful at best and patently offensive at worst, especially given Miramax's apparent plans to release this film overseas. A movie that basically says to folks in the Middle East "hey, those American soldiers you see running around yoru streets are the bad guys--they're runnuning drugs and stealing from you." Some could argue that this will endanger our troops by inciting even greater hostility in the populace in the dangerous regions where our troops are deployed.

3. That it is being released by Miramax, which is owned by Disney. People expect better from Disney. Whenever a controversial film is released by Miramax, Disney takes a black eye from the public. It is hard to see what Disney gets out of this relationship. These controversial film rarely make any money (or very little) and Disney's bottom line is hurt when offended customers boycott Disney.

Before someone blasts me as being pro-censorship or anti-First Amendment. let me be clear: Miramax/Disney has every RIGHT to release this film, but the American consumers have every RIGHT to voice their outrage and disgust for it as well. Just because Disney may have a RIGHT to produce and distribute this rubbish does not make it a sensible act. I can't figure out how Disney expects to make money off this thing. It's baffling. Truly baffling. Good family entertainment like Finding Nemo makes $290 million (and counting), and yet Disney turns to this kind of garbage. Can someone explain how they'll make money on it?
 
Funny thing is that I usually like to actually SEE a film before I protest it and condmemn it...I don't trust other people's offendo-meters..they have been notoriously unreliable in the past in both directions (offended by innocuous material as far as I can tell and not offended by real dangerous junk)...that is just me..I am not comfortable letting myself get outraged without gathering a few more facts myself.
 
"Funny thing is that I usually like to actually SEE a film before I protest it and condmemn it"

Nice try, PKS44, but I'm not buying what you're selling. We make judgments about movies all the time without seeing them. True, sometimes these judgments prove to be wrong. For example, I thought Pirates of the Caribbean would suck (judging from the previews), but I saw it the other day and quite enjoyed it.

But we can get some idea of whether we will like a movie before viewing the whole thing. The mroe information we can get about it, the better our judgment will be. Of course, this is not always a 100% sure thing. But soemtimes it is. I give as my one and only, irrefutable example, the movie "From Justin to Kelly." Now you may think you have to actually SEE this film before condemning it. If so, I strongly exhort you to wait a few weeks until it is on cable, and then view it, so as not to waste any of your hard-earned dollars on it. I, for one, recognize that to actually see that movie would cost me an hour and a half of my life that I'd never get back.

My point is this: I dont need to actually SEE Buffalo Soldiers to know that it is C-R-A-P. Nor do I need to see the film to know that I'd be offended by it, just as I never needed to see Robert mapplethorpe's works of alleged art to make a judgment about it. The description of people trampling on the US Flag is enough for me to know I don't want to put money in the pockets of the folks who made this movie. (Of course, i'm still going to WDW in October--woohoo!)
 
Ahh..so there is some sort of line before we are allowed to get "outraged". Maybe if the movie was to paint child molesters in a good light or was to tell kids how to score some really good smack in their town. Or a movie that paints a pretty picture of spousal abuse?


No this goes back to something I've said before. It's not always necessary to eat a **** sandwich to know that its going to taste bad.
 
***A movie that basically says to folks in the Middle East "hey, those American soldiers you see running around yoru streets are the bad guys--they're runnuning drugs and stealing from you." Gee, do you think that might have an effect on folks? Could it make Iraq and Afghanistan even more dangerous? ***

Do you think a movie is going to change their opinion of us ? The movie could be about saving Iraqi babies and they'd still hate us.

When it comes to our military,no one has rosier colored glasses then me. But if the events portrayed are accurate then I really don't care what the rest of the world thinks. Every country has some things in its history they are not proud of.

Maybe this movie turns out to be liberal trash. Or maybe it's a story that needs telling and Disney gets credit for making a movie that isn't just happy fluff.
 
I better go home and through away my copies of Casuaties of War, and Apocalypse Now. I never knew what unpatriotic garbage they were or how they increase the worlds hatred for America (hmmm maybe the actual events influenced the world more than the movie, no that cant be).
 
Not that I don't think you can be "outraged" about anything you want - go for it - but I am curious.

Are you concerned about this film because you do not believe that drug use and crime occurs in the military, and so this is a false portrayal of the military at a particular time? Or, do you think that there is drug use and crime in the military, but no one should present it?

I honestly think if you spend a little time with a military police officer or other military law enforcement, you will learn that gangs, drug use, theft (both of equipment and military property as well as personal property) and other crime are major concerns on our bases.

There is a TV show called Jag - I have never seen it, but I believe that it is about military lawyers, which would imply that there are military criminals in each show - are you outraged by this as well?

Edited to add:
"While elitist liberals on the coasts seem not to be offended by such things, the great majority of Americans take great u"

I noticed that it will be a limited release, so it will probably only be in a few art houses on the coasts anyway like most independent films.
 
I found this review and it seemed to have more information about than the "Drudge" site that was linked above. Again, I don't care if people want to be mad, and for that matter, I don't have any horses in the race and don't want one, and wouldn't be interested in watching the movie if was on my tv for that matter.


SCREENED AT THE 2003 SUNDANCE FILM FESTIVAL: Based on a novel by Robert O’Connor, Buffalo Soldiers is a feature film that suffered greatly from poor timing. Acquired by Miramax on September 10 2001, a day later it was exactly the sort of film that seems to have no place in today’s America. The second feature film from Australian director Gregor Jordan, Buffalo Soldiers is a savagely funny depiction of an out of control American military base in West Germany where the soldiers are doped-up petty thieves, the commander doesn’t know his ******* from his elbow, and nobody is subjected to any accountability at all. While Jordan’s film is very dark, very funny and very fatalistic, it seems to have been missed by many that it’s far from an attack on the American military, rather it’s the telling of a story set in another time – the time just before the Berlin wall fell, when the US had no real enemies to concern itself with. What happens when the military gets bored and nobody’s watching what the left hand is doing?
Joaquin Phoenix is great as Elwood, a company clerk who sidelines as a black marketer. He has his clueless base commander (Ed Harris) sign forms for ridiculous amounts of supplies, then sends them right out the back door in return for hot electronics, hard drugs and assorted other quasi-legal luxuries. In his spare time, Elwood and his homies cook heroin for a renegade group of MP’s who supply most of the base with chemical fun. It’s a delicate balance, keeping the heavies happy while keeping the boss clueless, but Elwood seems to have his schtick down pat. Until a new top sergeant comes to the base and starts sniffing around.

And that’s where Buffalo Soldiers comes a little unraveled. So many great movies with great characters are spoiled when an overly complex storyline takes center stage, and that’s at times the case here. Phoenix’s character is superbly drawn, his escapades well constructed and expertly depicted (a team of stoned tank drivers provide one of the highlights of the flick, both in a comedic sense and action-wise), but the task of contracting so much of the book into a feature film running time sets up too many subplots that detract from the film’s message. A love affair between Phoenix and the daughter of his new nemesis (Anna Paquin) could potentially have lent a human quality to the work, but formula interferes (enough of the ‘teenage girl with burn scars’ cliché already) and the relationship comes across as very fast, frail and insincere.

Which is not to say that Buffalo Soldiers deserves to sit on a Miramax shelf until they dump it to video. In fact, the negatives of this film are far outweighed by the positives. Jordan’s directorial style is just magic, with some of the shots being so good that they distract you from the story itself. An opening shot that rolls around a building before passing through the glass of a window into the building itself is a great piece of trickery, but it does yell ‘look what I can do’. Fair enough though, as Jordan can do a lot more with a camera than most other directors would ever try. His visual style is a film in itself, as it was in his earlier work Two Hands, which also sadly got short shrift from US distributors before having the theatrical rights bought up by Blockbuster and shelved so that the film could become a Blockbuster video exclusive.

It’s a shame that art can be bought by a company and limited to the audience in such a fashion, and even sadder that nobody does a damn thing to stop it, but if Buffalo Soldiers finds itself in a similar position people should start shouting from the rooftops to have Blockbuster and all monopolistic megaliths like it broken up.

This is a film that is up against it in the currently ridiculously patriotic and unquestioning USA. When I watched Buffalo Soldiers at a Sundance press screening I saw plenty of other critics laughing along with the film, seemingly enthused, only for them to say how much they disliked it afterwards. For these people what matters most is not pissing on the flag, not questioning the status quo. They’ll claim the characters are unlikable – but so be it. If the characters were likable, people would object to heroin traffickers being portrayed positively. They’ll say the film is dark and depressing, but how else would you portray a group of people who are either stealing, doped to the eyeballs or dealing drugs? Should Jordan have filled the screen with daisies and butterflies as the jarheads stick needles in their arm?

Finally, they’ll claim this is an attack on ‘our fighting soldiers’, which again is bogus. The point is that these weren’t fighting soldiers. They were soldiers drafted in during the waning years of the cold war, when nobody wanted to be in the army and prisoners and petty thieves were brought in to fill the numbers. This sort of thing DID happen, it’s not a tale without basis in fact, so to say that it shouldn’t be shown is to say ‘we don’t want to see any part of our history that is negative.’

9/11 happened. Deal with it. This movie isn’t about 9/11, the events of the time, the reasons it happened of anything remotely linked to such things. It’s about a dumb period of US military history when manpower at any cost was the motto of the higher ups. And if you really don’t think soldiers take drugs, take a look at the recent admission that US Air Force pilots are routinely given speed to keep them alert during long missions.

Buffalo Soldiers is a good flick that’s well-written and ultimately very worthy of a $30m box office payday. That it possibly won’t get the chance to make that payday is a bigger blow to the American Way than anything depicted on the screen. One way or another, you’ll eventually get to see it. When that time comes, give it some time of your own.
 
"Stands and applauds d-r, pks44 and Onwiththeshow!"

At least make an attempt to think for yourselves people, you may find yourselves better for it.
 
***"They were soldiers drafted in during the waning years of the cold war, when nobody wanted to be in the army and prisoners and petty thieves were brought in to fill the numbers. " ***

Actually, the draft ended years before the fall of the Berlin wall. The military was all volenteer BUT some of those volenteers were kids who were standing in front of a judge for various crimes and were given the option of jail or the military.
 
Looks like more bad publicity for the company which I am extremely sorry to see. Not sure why the BOD isn't concerned - oh yeah, that's right we have a politician or two on our hands.
 
To answer the question posed:

Yes, it appears The Big ME has lost his mind.

Not because of the subject/content of this particular tasteless film...

Let's put this in context:

Acquired by Miramax on September 10 2001

So basically the choice earlier that year was that rather than put money into finishing the LoTR movie(s) we (The Big ME) go tell Peter Jackson to take his movies and find someone else to pay for them (New Line) because we're going to do something better with that money - like buy some really good movies, you know like 'Buffalo Soldiers' - "a wacky black comedy about the US Army, it's kinda like a 1980's version of Sgt. Bilko...yeah that's it...It's sure to make a lot of money."

So to summarize, The Big ME believed that buying a handful of junk movies like 'Buffalo Soldiers' would make more money than what is argueably the single greatest series of movies in the history of film - yeah, sorry, but I would call that insanity.
 




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