Has Anyone Thought of "It" This Way?

[d1gitman]

 

[Planogirl]

I see nothing wrong with staying positive but I also see nothing wrong with talking about these things. So far I see nothing to be excited about.

I don't remember ever worrying about the original fastpass but it could be that some people did. I don't remember that but it has been a while.

 

[*~PrincessBelle~*]

As a change management consultant the whole roll out of the FP+ irks me SO MUCH!.... the whole thing is just a classic example of poor change management...im sure internally there are good plans for CM's and other employees to adapt and embrace this change but what about park guests...ya know the people who will be using the system day in/day out.... With the proper change management techniques, there would naturally be resistance, but perhaps not to the level we're seeing today...

 

[LisaTC]

Speaking for myself, I don't fear "change," per se.
What I fear is the law of "unintended consequences." That law has inflicted itself on many a corporate "decision." We know the limitations of the "classic" FP system. We know the limitations and finite parameters of the various attractions. In knowing them, we look to what has been said about the "new" FP system. Extrapolating the numbers results in many "what if's" and "consequences" (very likely many of them "unintended") that are apparent in the promised "improvements."

EXACTLY!

I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the staggering amount of money spent on fancy technology when WDW desperately needs new attractions.

No truer words were ever spoken...ok, that's an exaggeration...kinda

As a change management consultant the whole roll out of the FP+ irks me SO MUCH!.... the whole thing is just a classic example of poor change management...im sure internally there are good plans for CM's and other employees to adapt and embrace this change but what about park guests...ya know the people who will be using the system day in/day out.... With the proper change management techniques, there would naturally be resistance, but perhaps not to the level we're seeing today...

I don't have a lot of confidence in their "data sets" at this point...I'm of wait and see and watch it implode mindset at this point! Like Robo said, the collateral consequences are going to happen and, to me, obvious, except to Disney!

 

[ArwenMarie]

WARNING: Another FP+ thread, but this question is short and simple.

With all the negativity directing toward FP+, I'm left to wonder if anyone remembers the initial anticipation and reaction to the original FASTPASS (you know, the one that everyone wishes would stay). Does anyone else remember the original "death of spontaneity at WDW"? Well, fourteen years later, we've learned how to use the system to our advantage and we're begging for it to stay. Could history repeat itself with FP+? Personally, I feel that sometimes it's appropriate to have some "blind confidence". Not necessarily saying that I'm excited, but I'm reserving judgement until things get rolling. Thoughts?

Interesting point! I know for our family, I'm a little excited about FP+. We hate having to run over to rope drop and run around for FPs, we are happy riding something once, we don't stay in the park for hours and hours, we never got more than 3 FPs a day anyway...etc. If I can book one or two good rides a day at whatever park we are going to ahead of time, and I can know the times, it will be awesome IMO.

But...doesn't mean that FP+ is actually going to make my ideal scenario above actually happen either. So I am both excited yet still hesitant but probably for different reasons than other people.

 

[LaurenT]

I'll say that it'll be a good thing for me if I can spend 9 am to noon at MK - riding things on short stand-by lines, then have lunch and head over to DHS where I can use my FP+ to ride TSMM and RnRC....

 

[ScarletFire]

I'll say that it'll be a good thing for me if I can spend 9 am to noon at MK - riding things on short stand-by lines, then have lunch and head over to DHS where I can use my FP+ to ride TSMM and RnRC....

Yes! I like this!!

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[CandleontheWater]

Back when FP debuted, I used to chat in an AOL Disney chat room. Granted, its been a long time, but I don't remember much angst over the change.

I personally remember being really, really excited. I was in college and had to wait a few years to experience it first hand, but I couldn't wait to try it out. It lived up to expectations.

 

[dobtia]

I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the staggering amount of money spent on fancy technology when WDW desperately needs new attractions.

I have a group of Disney lovers like myself and this has been our biggest talking point when dealing with this whole concept.

The current FP system, to us, worked fine. I think it comes down to showing off the idea of the look at this cool new technology we have. Well use that money and spend it on more, new, and technological attractions. More attractions means you can spread out the crowds better each day.

Just my opinion, among a lot of opinions, on this topic..... for us all.

 

[LisaTC]

I'll say that it'll be a good thing for me if I can spend 9 am to noon at MK - riding things on short stand-by lines, then have lunch and head over to DHS where I can use my FP+ to ride TSMM and RnRC....

Truthfully, if I was a betting person, this is what Disney has in mind. Selling more park hoppers -- those who want to get the full benefit of using the FP+ system will need to do this.

 

[dobtia]

Truthfully, if I was a betting person, this is what Disney has in mind. Selling more park hoppers -- those who want to get the full benefit of using the FP+ system will need to do this.

I had not really thought about this until the last couple of days when I say someone else make mention of it in another post. (should be easy to find as there are so few threads on the subject....). We have never been park hoppers ever. Will have to think about this....

 

[Robo]

There's no need to buy hoppers if your goal is to ride popular E-ticket attractions in the afternoon with FP+.

Just pick your FP+ attractions for an afternoon time in X park,
and still arrive at that same X park that morning at rope drop.
Ride E-ticket attractions with shorter standby lines that morning.
Then, stay in that park and ride the attractions (same or different) using your
FP+ reservations.

Do the same thing the next day(s) at another park.

 

[sargenca]

With all the negativity directing toward FP+, I'm left to wonder if anyone remembers the initial anticipation and reaction to the original FASTPASS (you know, the one that everyone wishes would stay). Does anyone else remember the original "death of spontaneity at WDW"?

I can't remember the reaction to the original FP. But I do remember when the rumors started about FP return times were going to be ENFORCED (gasp!!)...I remember that causing a lot of hoopla - whew!

 

[momof2n2]

There's no need to buy hoppers if your goal is to ride popular E-ticket attractions in the afternoon with FP+.

Just pick your FP+ attractions for an afternoon time in X park,
and still arrive at that same X park that morning at rope drop.
Ride E-ticket attractions with shorter standby lines that morning.
Then, stay in that park and ride the attractions (same or different) using your
FP+ reservations.

Do the same thing the next day(s) at another park.

Yeah - this wont turn us into "hoppers." We're not "leavers" either. We are pre-RD to post-night show (sans AK) people. I'm not sure we'll adjust favorably to only two times per major ride tho. And I don't want a FP+ for Tiki Room.

 

[BlueStarryHat]

I don't fear the change, I just don't want to be there when it's first rolled out. I'm imagining the long lines at the FP+ kiosks when I say this and cringing. I fear *that.*

 

[SOnotLayuh]

I know my biggest dread with FP+ is the limit of 3 per day in one park. The original FP system didn't seem to limit you as much.

 

[Lindy Loo]

I'll say that it'll be a good thing for me if I can spend 9 am to noon at MK - riding things on short stand-by lines, then have lunch and head over to DHS where I can use my FP+ to ride TSMM and RnRC....

Problem is.... thats what ALOT of people will want. .......

 

[LaurenT]

Problem is.... thats what ALOT of people will want. .......

Agreed....but they also want Le Cellier and BOG, I still manage to get my ADR because I am able to plan ahead and call as soon as I'm allowed - usually. When I can't I just do something else.

 

[dobtia]

By no means have I read everything around this, but I do have a question that we can guess on, or someone will know the answer.

You make ADR's 180 out plus 10 if staying on site. The FP+ system it said was 60 out plus 10. My question is are there a limited number of FP+ slots available? I know with regular FP there were a certain number. Won't people have to try to work the FP+ dates around their ADR's.

Lets say you have some EPCOT ADR's on a particular day, but you fail to get FP+ or enough of the FP+ at EPCOT on that day. Couldn't this cause some planning issues?

 

[Robo]

By no means have I read everything around this, but I do have a question that we can guess on, or someone will know the answer.

You make ADR's 180 out plus 10 if staying on site. The FP+ system it said was 60 out plus 10. My question is


1- are there a limited number of FP+ slots available? I know with regular FP there were a certain number.

2- Won't people have to try to work the FP+ dates around their ADR's.

Lets say you have some EPCOT ADR's on a particular day, but you fail to get FP+ or enough of the FP+ at EPCOT on that day.

3- Couldn't this cause some planning issues?

1- Yes.
2- Yes.
3- Yes.