Has Anyone Thought of "It" This Way?

[mom2rtk]

By no means have I read everything around this, but I do have a question that we can guess on, or someone will know the answer.

You make ADR's 180 out plus 10 if staying on site. The FP+ system it said was 60 out plus 10. My question is are there a limited number of FP+ slots available? I know with regular FP there were a certain number. Won't people have to try to work the FP+ dates around their ADR's.

Lets say you have some EPCOT ADR's on a particular day, but you fail to get FP+ or enough of the FP+ at EPCOT on that day. Couldn't this cause some planning issues?

Yep. But at least you'll still have 15 days to just give up and cancel your entire package.

 

[ArwenMarie]

Yep. But at least you'll still have 15 days to just give up and cancel your entire package.

I wonder if they have really thought through that part of it. I could totally see people getting fed up and just canceling if they don't like their options. I won't be telling my kids about future trips til day 59, that's for sure!

 

[mom2rtk]

I wonder if they have really thought through that part of it. I could totally see people getting fed up and just canceling if they don't like their options. I won't be telling my kids about future trips til day 59, that's for sure!

I wonder if they've thought through a LOT of this.

So who here would be surprised to see the cancellation date backed up to 60 days in the near future?

 

[melissabryant]

Om excited about it and ready to except the change except for 2 things.

1) I dont really want to be involved with it during roll out. We are going in December and that is the new speculated time frame -"end of 2013". As with any other new system either disney or something else, even with all the testing there are still going to be bugs in the beginning when it gows completely live.

2) only 3 FP a day in one park. I am a hopper and I usually only use about 3 a day per park. However does that mean only 3 per day per park that you can reserve and that is it or will Disney allow guests to reserve the 3 then day of, standing in the park, be able to get more either at the park you originally booked them at or more if you hop. To me, personally, that hasnt been very clear if you are able to get more in the park on that day.

Oh well it is what it is and eventually we will all have to accept it because whether we as guests like it or not disney is changing the FP system.

However, I think disney would change the days out that you can book the FP before they would change how many days out to cancel a reservation w/o penalty. With the exception of cruises that is pretty much an industry standard.

 

[bwifan]

I'll say that it'll be a good thing for me if I can spend 9 am to noon at MK - riding things on short stand-by lines, then have lunch and head over to DHS where I can use my FP+ to ride TSMM and RnRC....

At the risk of flames I kind of cant wait.

The death of spontaneity happened for us a long time ago. Having to arrive at rope drop and zig zagging and back tracking all over the park in June heat with three kids ain't exactly spontaneous. If we get 3 rides done its a big deal. However 3 seems a bit low for a lot of people and I understand the opposition.

 

[BeerMe]

You mean we shouldn't fear the unknown and cling blindly to what we do know?

And that's th point. It is an unknown. No matter how much people moan about it it is still an unknown and no one knows exactly how it will work. It's all speculation right now.

We use FP a little and we get along fine and I'm sure we'll get along fine with FP+. Oh we also got along fine before FP and when there were still E Tickets. As a matter of fact I think it may have been better but that may just be nostalgia talking.

We are going for the month of October and I plan on seeing what's in affect a couple of weeks prior to the trip and planning accordingly. We don't plan all that much except for the ADRs we really want, which really aren't all that much anymore. Especially not during F&W.

And whatever you do try not to hyperventilate!

 

[mom2rtk]

At the risk of flames I kind of cant wait.

The death of spontaneity happened for us a long time ago. Having to arrive at rope drop and zig zagging and back tracking all over the park in June heat with three kids ain't exactly spontaneous. If we get 3 rides done its a big deal. However 3 seems a bit low for a lot of people and I understand the opposition.

It really seems that the new system and its limits present a much greater issue at MK than at the other parks. Those who support it at this point all seem to point at being able to now do DHS as an afternoon or evening park (Note to self: Be sure to continue rope drop at DHS for low crowds!) So it boils down to your faith that you will be able to actually get TSMM easily for one of those coveted afternoon/evening slots.

Will it be as easy as booking an ADR at Plaza Inn or more like BOG?

If you don't get one for your preferred day, then do you have to try a different day? What if you're part of a larger group? Do you call everyone at 6 AM before swapping days around? Then does the slot you saw disappear while you're making your calls? Then you see you can get one on Thursday, but that's the day you have an ADR at Epcot. Well, wait, let me see if I can swap that ADR. OK, swapped. Now back to book that TSMM on Thursday, now that's gone. Dang it, how about Saturday?

Whether there is indeed a 10 day booking advantage for those onsite will make a big advantage for getting that critical handful of attractions as well. TSMM, Soarin, Test Track and the new Mine Coaster could all book up in those +10 slots.

In the absence of the +10, don't forget you're going to have to get up at 6 AM for as many days as the length of your trip to secure your best slots. And will Disney have them all loaded into the system on time? I've seen a lot of threads about BOG and CRT not being loaded in on time. Granted, that's further out, but this is a new system. If you get up and it's not there, do you check all day? Do you get up early every day and check until you find it?

 

[bwifan]

Yeah, the only one park per day doesn't make sense.

Btw, my head hurts after reading your post

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Agreed....but they also want Le Cellier and BOG, I still manage to get my ADR because I am able to plan ahead and call as soon as I'm allowed - usually. When I can't I just do something else.

It is not about being "able" to plan ahead - it is about the type of vacation that individuals are looking for. WDW is removing any hope of a spontaneous vacation. The uber planners will like this - it gives them another advantage. For many people, this need to plan this level of detail months in advance would ruin their vacations.

 

[yensidlover]

I might have missed this, but any word on what they will be doing for passholders. We take tons of spur of the moment day trips. I'm really worried about this new system....

 

[HM]

If there was much dread over the coming of FP, it was extremely isolated.

I agree with this. I remember being excited about it. I'm not feeling that way about FP+.

 

[Robo]

I might have missed this, but any word on what they will be doing for passholders. We take tons of spur of the moment day trips. I'm really worried about this new system....

AP holders can book FP+.

We don't know if there will be a limit on the number of days.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

AP holders can book FP+.

We don't know if there will be a limit on the number of days.

Yes, but will any FP still be available for the better rides if an AP holder decides to just head over to the parks with little/no notice? With the ability to book 60 days out, it seems unlikely.

 

[DreamSweetsLove]

I might have missed this, but any word on what they will be doing for passholders. We take tons of spur of the moment day trips. I'm really worried about this new system....

I wonder too! What will the limitations be? If there is no limitations it could seriously mess up the system but if there are too many limitations it will upset many pass holders. My parents are pass holders and while they have a vague idea that magic bands are coming they really don't keep up with the news on it. I wonder how they are going to roll out the system and educate the guests on how it works.

 

[mom2rtk]

Yes, but will any FP still be available for the better rides if an AP holder decides to just head over to the parks with little/no notice? With the ability to book 60 days out, it seems unlikely.

That would seem to be one of the critical questions for many folks.

And if they do allow +10 for onsite guests, AP holders would apparently only have access to that if they booked a room as well.

 

[yensidlover]

Yes, but will any FP still be available for the better rides if an AP holder decides to just head over to the parks with little/no notice? With the ability to book 60 days out, it seems unlikely.

Exactly. We live close and will wake up one day and say "let's go to Disney". We don't even decide what park we are going to, until we get off the interstate! I don't think we will ever get any good FP because they will all be gone.

 

[mom2rtk]

So the question becomes, will they find a way to stop AP holders from booking a few headliners every weekend "just in case". I am genuinely curious how Disney plans to handle this. It will be an even bigger issue if/when they decide to roll out some version of FP+ for DLR where the AP base is a much greater portion of their daily attendance.

 

[ArwenMarie]

From Disney's POV, you will still always be able to ride everything. Via standby of course, but it's not like rides will be completely unavailable without a prebooked FP.

So getting there at rope drop will still be an option, going at the slower times, and of course, just waiting in the lines once in a while. Which folks already do.

 

[ArwenMarie]

So the question becomes, will they find a way to stop AP holders from booking a few headliners every weekend "just in case". I am genuinely curious how Disney plans to handle this. It will be an even bigger issue if/when they decide to roll out some version of FP+ for DLR where the AP base is a much greater portion of their daily attendance.

I know I read something, but I can't remember where, that AP holders will be able to book FP+ a certain number of days per quarter (I think I remember 10 days?) But it might have just been on one of those rumor threads that people put up sometimes? In any case, I can't imagine that there won't be a limit of some sort.

I also wonder how this is going to affect GAC abuse. I'm sure we all remember that story at Disneyland regarding Radiator Springs and the number of GACs being used by AP holders..

 

[mom2rtk]

I know I read something, but I can't remember where, that AP holders will be able to book FP+ a certain number of days per quarter (I think I remember 10 days?) But it might have just been on one of those rumor threads that people put up sometimes? In any case, I can't imagine that there won't be a limit of some sort.

I also wonder how this is going to affect GAC abuse. I'm sure we all remember that story at Disneyland regarding Radiator Springs and the number of GACs being used by AP holders..

Big time rumor. In fact that one will probably go down in the annals of DIS history. No word right now that I am aware of that there are any limits on APs. Some have speculated that maybe they will penalize AP holders who abuse but that's just a hope/guess. And there would still be nothing against making FP+ reservations for every weekend and just canceling them in time every week (as many do with ADRs).