Harry Potter Complete Book Spoiler Thread

wasabi girl said:
I don't think it matters if Regulus Black is dead. He could have found the Horcrux before his death, put it somewhere before the death eaters found and killed him.


Also, (sorry if this was posted already), isn't it in book 5 that there was the locket that "can't be opened"? And what if Mundungus stole it???


I will seriously be depressed when this series is over. I've been moping for two days because I finished this one!! :rotfl:
 
Disney Debbie said:
I thought this book was VERY good - much better then the last one. I got really tired of Harry's teen age sullenness in the last one!

Same here! I thought this storyline was much more "readable"! :wizard:
 
HomeSweetDisney said:
I think one of the most important things we should all take from this book is that you cannot get out of attending a wedding you've been invited to, even if you are the chosen one and have to go save the world.
Vanessa, I think this is the funniest thing you have ever said, and that's saying something!!!! :rotfl: :rotfl2:
 
This book was more like the first one where every chapter was it's own book and was very exciting all on its own.
 

jwann said:
Yep - I'll buy this scenario - It goes along with my theory that Harry's scar could be a horcrux. With Voldy dead and the horcrux distroyed (?) then Harry could be left without magic...

So what does that mean for Dumbledore's magical scar? The one on his left knee that is a map of the London Underground? Does that mean another Horcrux was possible destroyed when DD was killed?
 
And here is what I think regarding Snape.

Dumbeldore knew he was going to die. Either by Snape's hand, or by Draco's. Here are my points.

1. Dumbledore trusts Snape. We have never seen Dumbledore's trust fail, we have seen him admit to making mistakes, but that was about telling Harry information at a young age.
2. Snape is spying for the Order. In the second chapter he tells Narcissa and Bellatrix that he knows the Dark Lord's plan (to have Draco kill Dumbledore). Thus, it seems obvious that he would have told Dumbledore.
3. Dumbledore believes that nearly everyone can repent, and turn to good, thus he wants to try and save Draco before he kills Dumbledore and thus "ripping his soul in two". That is why Snape takes the Unbreakable Oath with Narcissa, on Dumbledore's orders. Snape will thus be able to save Draco by doing the deed for him.
4. Dumbledore knows he will die, so he begins giving Harry the private lessons, fueling him with as much information as possible to prepare him for the thruth of the final showdown with the Dark Lord.
5. Hagrid overhears an argument between Dumbledore and Snape. Harry takes it as an argument over an investigation into the houses, but I believe it is an argument about Snape killing Dumbledore.
6. I believe, that although in OOTP we saw Snape call Lily a mudblood, he probably didn't really mean it, afterall, he himself is obviously not pureblood. I believe that he had feelings for Lily, another reason to hate James, but ALSO A REASON TO FEEL REMORSE ABOUT THIER DEATHS, deaths he inadvertedly caused by telling the Dark Lord the first half of the prophecy, as Dumbledore told Harry.
7. Dumbledore would have died whether Draco/Snape killed him because of the poison he drank. The stuff had to have been rather leathal. Thus his dying deed was to save Draco's soul, in asense, by allowing Snape time to get to the roof and do the deed instead.
8. Dumbledore pleaded on the rooftop, but he did not technically plead for his life. He may have been pleading with Snape to do it, to save Draco, to save Harry, to maybe save the war, and to release him from the pain of the poison.
9. The look of hatred and disgust on Snapes face may have been for the following reasons:
a. I am completely wrong and he really is evil.
b. He hated and was disgusted at the deed before him.
c. He hated and disgusted himself for what he had to do.
10. During the chase afterwards, and the fight with Harry, Snape repeatedly told him to not call him a coward. I would have said the same (if I am right), because it would have taken the most courage in Snape to kill Dumbledore, one of the only men who ever showed him kindness, love, care, compassion, and TRUST. To kill a man who is technically sacrificing himself to save one his students, and even a student who never particularly liked him, but in the end did show signs that he did it only to save those he loves, Draco's mother andf Father.

Snape, if I am right, is not a coward, not in the slightest. He is one of the bravest characters in this series. I believe Snape will die in book 7, but not before all the truth is known. If I am right, Harry may learn not to hate Snape, at least not as much as he has throughout the series. He already has shown signs of being able to understand and pity Draco more, maybe, when it is all over, he will be able to do the same with Snape.


AHHH It was so good!
 
HomeSweetDisney said:
I think one of the most important things we should all take from this book is that you cannot get out of attending a wedding you've been invited to, even if you are the chosen one and have to go save the world.

:rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

You're right - gotta keep things in perspective!
 
MrsKreamer said:
I have a question....What is the difference between the UK and US versions??? Why are there 2 versions??? They still use British dialect in the text, so what do they change?

My version is the Canadian version and it refers to the Philosopher's Stone several times. Does the US version do this or does it refer to the Sorcerer's Stone?
 
I am confused

I have thought that

Pure blood = entire line is of wizards in witches in family

Half blood = 1 muggle parent / 1 magical parent

Mudblood = Someone who is born of both muggle parents yet has magic.


the post above confuses me as have several others when refering to blood.

Snape calling lily a mudblood would be correct..she has muggle parents, just like hermione.

Half blood would be Snape, Voldermort and so on - each having 1 muggle parent yet a magical parent as well.

Pure bloods would be Malfoys, Weasleys

Harry has two magical parents..yet his "bloodline" is not pure


Am I understanding the lines correctly ? I often see these tossed around and I am not sure if its my lack of understanding or not.
 
greenyskp said:
And here is what I think regarding Snape.

Dumbeldore knew he was going to die. Either by Snape's hand, or by Draco's. Here are my points.

1. Dumbledore trusts Snape. We have never seen Dumbledore's trust fail, we have seen him admit to making mistakes, but that was about telling Harry information at a young age.
2. Snape is spying for the Order. In the second chapter he tells Narcissa and Bellatrix that he knows the Dark Lord's plan (to have Draco kill Dumbledore). Thus, it seems obvious that he would have told Dumbledore.
3. Dumbledore believes that nearly everyone can repent, and turn to good, thus he wants to try and save Draco before he kills Dumbledore and thus "ripping his soul in two". That is why Snape takes the Unbreakable Oath with Narcissa, on Dumbledore's orders. Snape will thus be able to save Draco by doing the deed for him.
4. Dumbledore knows he will die, so he begins giving Harry the private lessons, fueling him with as much information as possible to prepare him for the thruth of the final showdown with the Dark Lord.
5. Hagrid overhears an argument between Dumbledore and Snape. Harry takes it as an argument over an investigation into the houses, but I believe it is an argument about Snape killing Dumbledore.
6. I believe, that although in OOTP we saw Snape call Lily a mudblood, he probably didn't really mean it, afterall, he himself is obviously not pureblood. I believe that he had feelings for Lily, another reason to hate James, but ALSO A REASON TO FEEL REMORSE ABOUT THIER DEATHS, deaths he inadvertedly caused by telling the Dark Lord the first half of the prophecy, as Dumbledore told Harry.
7. Dumbledore would have died whether Draco/Snape killed him because of the poison he drank. The stuff had to have been rather leathal. Thus his dying deed was to save Draco's soul, in asense, by allowing Snape time to get to the roof and do the deed instead.
8. Dumbledore pleaded on the rooftop, but he did not technically plead for his life. He may have been pleading with Snape to do it, to save Draco, to save Harry, to maybe save the war, and to release him from the pain of the poison.
9. The look of hatred and disgust on Snapes face may have been for the following reasons:
a. I am completely wrong and he really is evil.
b. He hated and was disgusted at the deed before him.
c. He hated and disgusted himself for what he had to do.
10. During the chase afterwards, and the fight with Harry, Snape repeatedly told him to not call him a coward. I would have said the same (if I am right), because it would have taken the most courage in Snape to kill Dumbledore, one of the only men who ever showed him kindness, love, care, compassion, and TRUST. To kill a man who is technically sacrificing himself to save one his students, and even a student who never particularly liked him, but in the end did show signs that he did it only to save those he loves, Draco's mother andf Father.

Snape, if I am right, is not a coward, not in the slightest. He is one of the bravest characters in this series. I believe Snape will die in book 7, but not before all the truth is known. If I am right, Harry may learn not to hate Snape, at least not as much as he has throughout the series. He already has shown signs of being able to understand and pity Draco more, maybe, when it is all over, he will be able to do the same with Snape.


AHHH It was so good!

All very good points - I agree.
 
HomeSweetDisney said:
I think one of the most important things we should all take from this book is that you cannot get out of attending a wedding you've been invited to, even if you are the chosen one and have to go save the world.


Okay - I did a spit take on this one!! :rotfl:


And I think Bill will definitely marry Fleur - and should. She and Mrs. Weasley made their peace with each other when she stood by him at the end. Mrs. Weasley sees that for all the annoying ways she is with them - she truly LOVES Bill no matter what.
 
Tinks said:
I guess I need to know this from other readers...could you ever forgive Snape? If it turns out in the end that he saves Harry and Voldemort is destroyed, would you then say Snape was a good guy all the time and think he's a hero?

Can you tell this is really bugging me?! :rotfl:

I so don't want him to be a good guy in the end because I dislike him so much, but I think that is where the story is heading, too.
Never. He is right up there with Voldemort, now. Saving Harry isn't enough to get over what he did to Harry. Snape basically told Voldemort to kill the Potters. Then he killed Dumbledore.
 
gallaj0 said:
So for Snape, he's my theory, hear it out before you judge; Snape considers Harry the son he never had. It has been revealed over the course of several books that:
1: Snape was smitten/in love with Lily (Evans) Potter all the way back in school; but resented her boyfriend/husband. He was, also, envious of their good fortune; good grades, Quidditch player, James' full blood heritage, and seeming prosperity.

2: We found out in this book that Snape was responsible for Voldy learning about the prophesy, and then killing Lily and James Potter, and ruining Harry's life.

3: The info DD had on Snape was fact 1 and 2. That after Voldy killed Lily and James, and marked Harry, Snape went back to DD, and confessed everything; his love for Lily, his devastation at causing her (and James') death, and leaving Harry an orphan.

I do think Snape genuinely dislikes Harry because he sees his father in him, and while I agree he is always pushing Harry, he does it in a non-productive way.

I don't believe Snape went to Dumbledore after the Potters' death...I think it was before. In one of the books-- POA, probably, when we learn about the "secret keeper"-- we learn that Dumbledore "received intelligence" that there was a specific threat on the Potters from Voldemort, which is what leads to them hiding away with only Pettigrew :sad2: as their secret-keeper. I think the intelligence came from Snape. So it goes like this: he is in league with Voldemort, hears (part of) the prophesy, and reports it. Then he discovers Voldemort believes the prophesy refers to the Potters... and he tips Dumbledore off.

The big blank is why the Potters... I've always been open to the Snape loves Lily theory, but so far JKR has given us very little. (If it was the case it would fit into Dumbedore's "love is the greatest magic" thing.) And James saved his life... well he had to save Snape's life because his friend was behaving like a jerk. I think Book Seven will (finally) fill in some of the blanks about the Potters at Hogwarts and after... more about Lily, and the Evans family, and Petunia, and where Snape fits into all of this.

The more I write and read I really believe Snape acted on Dumbledore's orders. But I admit when I read the book I didn't think so and I was really impressed at JKR's skill on misleading on Snape. I still admire it. He's a completely elusive character.
 
hmmm...the pensive
with all of Dumbledore's thoughts in it.

think that will help out Harry in book 7? :)
 
I don't think that Harry or his scar is a horcrux. Because Voldemort meant to KILL him, and if he had just wanted to store a part of his soul in him, well I don't think that he would have wanted to keep him alive b/c of the prophecy and he wouldn't have wanted to destroy part of his soul so he wouldn;'t have tried to kill harry again at the end of tgof.
 
stinkerbelle said:
hmmm...the pensive
with all of Dumbledore's thoughts in it.

think that will help out Harry in book 7? :)
OOO I'd forgotten about the pensieve. I bet that could be a big help to Harry.
 
All I can say is... I CAN FINALLY READ THE SPOILER THREAD!!!!!!!!! I've been using all the will power I have not to peek before I was done. This book was incredible. I guessed who the HBP was before the book came out (I was pretty proud of myself for that one!) but the end blew me away! Now it's on to reading the whole thread. :)
 
Disney Debbie said:
Okay - I did a spit take on this one!! :rotfl:


And I think Bill will definitely marry Fleur - and should. She and Mrs. Weasley made their peace with each other when she stood by him at the end. Mrs. Weasley sees that for all the annoying ways she is with them - she truly LOVES Bill no matter what.


:teeth:

Yes, Fleghm redeemed herself at the end in my eyes. But really...I don't see why Harry should have to go to their wedding. It's like "uh hi...yeah I would totally go to your wedding it's just there's this whole 'Voldemort wants to kill me and take over the world' issue that I've gotta attend to..." but then Fleur would probably do her pouty French thing and he'd feel guilty and still have to go. Even the boy who lived can't get out of boring weddings!
 
HomeSweetDisney said:
:teeth:

Yes, Fleghm redeemed herself at the end in my eyes. But really...I don't see why Harry should have to go to their wedding. It's like "uh hi...yeah I would totally go to your wedding it's just there's this whole 'Voldemort wants to kill me and take over the world' issue that I've gotta attend to..." but then Fleur would probably do her pouty French thing and he'd feel guilty and still have to go. Even the boy who lived can't get out of boring weddings!


well, and also, remember that Harry thinks that Bill is a really cool guy, so he'd want to be at his wedding. Plus, he's practically a member of the Wealey family. and there's no way that Mrs. Weasley would let him skip the big day. I also loved the way JK finished the book by Harry thinking of the wedding and thinking that there would be one more happy day to spend with his friends before having to face Voldemort.

its going to be a long 2+ years until the seventh book! I wish it were here now! :earsgirl:
 
tygerlilli said:
its going to be a long 2+ years until the seventh book! I wish it were here now! :earsgirl:
:faint: I don't think I can wait that long!
 












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