Harry Potter Complete Book Spoiler Thread

[MrsPete]

Oh yeah...I also think that Hogwarts WILL be open and that Harry will attend. Somehow, he is going to find out that he NEEDS to be at Hogwarts.

Well, he's said he's not coming back. I can imagine two scenerios in which he'd change his mind 1) He finds a letter (or somehow else receives a message) from Dumbledore explaining that he will not have the knowledge necessary to fight against Dumbledore unless he finishes he last year of school. Or 2) If Arthur Weasley, who is now the closest thing he has to a father, persuades him of the same thing.

MrsPete, sounds like you have the series all sewn up! .

Yep. Leave it to a literature teacher!

I have loved Snape because I found his journey facinating... and because he is just so complicated . . . concluded it was because Alan Rickman plays him in the movies.

I agree -- his complications and twists make him fascinating! Harry, while he's a deep character, isn't nearly so complicated.

I also remembered Dumbledore's words about while he is cleverer than most, that means his mistakes are bigger than most. It did seem to be foreshadowing this mistake. And I don't mind the idea that Dumbledore can make a mistake. It sets up a dichotomy... Voldemort's disdain for the power of love will bring him down... but could Dumbledore also be brought down by his misplaced faith in it?

Think about Dumbledore's previous mistakes -- there's a pattern. He is never wrong about his magic, but he does make the mistake of placing too much trust in people:
He trusted Petunia and Vernon to care for Harry as their own son, which they did not do.
He trusted multiple people to teach DADA, which failed in various ways.
He trusted Tom Riddle when he was brought to Hogwarts as a boy.
These people not only stomped on his heart, but they hurt the wizarding world through their foolish and criminal actions.

On the other hand, he has extended his trust to some people (people whom the rest of the wizarding world did not believe worthy), and that trust has been returned with good results and unflinching loyalty: Hagrid, Remus, and Sirius, for three examples. He completely trusts Harry in every way -- even when other people's trust wavers, Dumbledore's does not. I think the most moving line in the whole book occured towards the end when Harry promised the badly injured Dumbledore not to worry -- he could apparate them both back to Hogwarts -- and Dumbledore replied weakly, "I'm not worried. I'm with you."

Dumbledore's trust is his weakest point and his strongest point. So is he right or wrong for having trusted Snape? I could argue it both ways. I think that's part of the "magic" of the book.

 

[blueangel]

Forgot to mention that I think Charlie Weasley will have to reappear, since his family is so important to the story, and that let's not forget he is now in possession of Norbert. Could dragons have a larger role, too?

 

[FayeW]

Since OOTP, I have also believed that Neville was the "Chosen One", and that ultimately, it will be he who ends up killing LV, perhaps in a burst of courage saving Harry. I can think of no other reason for him, a very weak wizard at best, to have been involved in the D.A. He has been marked by LV as well, albeit emotionally scarred instead of physically.

As far as who R.A.B is, others have commented that Regulus's body was never found. Don't forget, that it was mentioned in this book that "Regulus only lasted 2 days once he deserted". Perhaps he had helped hide the horcrux, and used those 2 days to go retrieve it and destroy it.

 

[jwann]

Harry cannot be a horcrux. Dumbledore already said that using a living/breathing creature as a horcrux is dangerous. He's iffy about the snake. If Harry is holding part of Voldemort's soul, why would Voldemort try to kill him? In doing so, he'd be un-doing his own work.

Perhaps we just *think* Voldy wants to "kill" Harry. Some thought on this....
In SS, If Voldy thought he could get the stone then he wouldn't need his horcrux, then when he thought he wasn't going to get it after Quirill's death he flew "through" Harry - perhaps hoping to get HIS body.
In CoS, The only thing the Tom Riddle in the diary knew was what Ginny had told him. So he wouldn't know that Harry was a horcrux only that she said Voldy was trying to kill Harry.
In GoF, Did Voldy actually try to KILL Harry. We know he pointed his wand at him and then the wands connected.
In OoP, the DE's were after the prophecy and I didn't get the idea that the DE's had been given orders to "kill" Harry.
In HBP, Snape instructs the DE's not to kill Harry because Voldy wanted to do it....

Who knows. I know it is an "out of left-field" idea but it could be possible.

 

[theSurlyMermaid]

In SS, If Voldy thought he could get the stone then he wouldn't need his horcrux, then when he thought he wasn't going to get it after Quirill's death he flew "through" Harry - perhaps hoping to get HIS body.

You know that was just in the movie, right? It's not in the book.

 

[Tinks]

Count me in as finished reading also. I'm still absorbing and mulling it all over. Actually, I'm also re-reading it, and I'm on the 3rd or 4th chapter.

*Snape* !!! What a character. I'm very conflicted! I never liked the guy but always had hopes that I was wrong! There are many believers that Snape will be a good guy in the end.....I'm not sure yet. On my re-read of chapter 2, Snape says to Bella that he passed on the information that lead to the deaths of the Vances and the Bones. When I read that again, I felt confirmed that he has to be a bad guy. Even if he worked for Dumbledore, he wouldn't cause the death of other families, would he?

I felt overall the book really focused on Dumbledore and Harry and their relationship as mentor/student. It was touching and well done.

I am really hoping we learn more about Harry's parents and their lives in the next book. I wanted more memories of Lily and James.

Still reading here to see what all of you think!

I'm amazed at the number of readers who think Dumbledore is still alive. It makes me sad! People have a hard time letting go of even a fictional character!! He's dead! I thought it was very sad and I was moved by Hagrid's reaction to DD's death.

 

[lntsmom]

before the first nasty slam. Congrats, Tinks, on making it personal! I'm outta here before this ends up in mud slinging!

 

[Tinks]

Ummm...what!!!

Did anyone think I was "mudslinging"??? Did I offend someone???

I certainly wasn't trying

 

[ElizaB39]

I thought that perhaps DD had somehow got Voldy inside him, possibly from the Horcrux that was in the water/cave, and was pleading with Severus to kill him in order to also destroy the third Horcrux. Since he was in such a weakend state from drinking the potion in the cave, I thought perhaps that the horcrux from the locket could have been in (gotten inside) his body, then Snape killed them both. This is kind of similar (I think) to the fountain scene at the end of 5, when Voldy was in Harry and if DD had killed Harry then that horcrux would also have been killed. Although at that time, we all would have thought it was the whole of Voldy and not just one of seven parts.

Also, DD could have somehow got the horcrux in side him and also turned the locket into its current state with its current note.

Just rambling, not sure if it really makes sense, but just maybe?

Tinks I did not think you were mudslinging and I read and reread your post.

 

[sydally9367]

I'm amazed at the number of readers who think Dumbledore is still alive. It makes me sad! People have a hard time letting go of even a fictional character!! He's dead! I thought it was very sad and I was moved by Hagrid's reaction to DD's death.

Tinks...I most CERTAINLY do not think you were making a "slam" or " mud slinging" I have NO idea how someone could think that from the quote above. Alot of people have different opinions on if Dumbledore is dead or not..so I don't see how you voicing your opinion is any different.

Don't let anyone keep you down Tinks...you did nothing wrong!

 

[ElizaB39]

I do not think that DD could possibly be alive, still. He is officially in a portrait and Harry's curse was released. I too, think that he will somehow continue to guide Harry, via the portrait, dreams and etc. Also through his illustrious brother Aberfore. I would be really happy to see his bro come to the front, but did we see him at the funeral?

 

[DisneyCP2002]

Got my book today Reading it now, will comment tomorrow.

 

[Dancind]

before the first nasty slam. Congrats, Tinks, on making it personal! I'm outta here before this ends up in mud slinging!

Wow! Overreact much?

 

[padams]

What is the arm or hand thing that Draco has, and uses to provide light for the DEs in the tower? Hermione refers to it and seems to know what it is. I don't remember it from the previous books.

 

[monarchsfan16]

What is the arm or hand thing that Draco has, and uses to provide light for the DEs in the tower? Hermione refers to it and seems to know what it is. I don't remember it from the previous books.

It's some hand that Draco found in that Dark arts store (Burgin and something). It's a hand that creates light only for the person holding it. So they can see while everyone around them is in total darkness. Hermione knew because when Harry had a problem with Floo Powder in the second? book he landed in that store, and observed Draco admiring it.

 

[Tinks]

Eliza, I think Dumbledore's brother, Aberforth(?) will be a part of book 7, too!
He's the barman at Hog's Head (Is that it?) I think there's much more to him than we have seen.


Thanks, guys, for understanding that I wasn't trying to single people out! I have been reading over at Mugglenet and HPANA a lot and was referring to the MANY posts over there. So many people want to believe DD is alive and somehow is tricking Voldemort. I would like to believe it, too, but sadly, I think he's really dead. Like Sirius. (which, by the way, I was surprised we didn't hear more about. What happened to the smashed mirror?) Maybe I could have worded my post better, but I was trying to talk to my nephew (age 17) about the HBP on the phone while I typed. Not smart, I guess. Don't post and dial

Has anyone else been reading on the Potter sites? (Muggle net, HPANA, Leaky Cauldron...) Lots of good reading there, too. It's hard to get online there at times because so many people are posting!

 

[puggymom]

Somebody on another board said that JKR, has said Harry dies in book 7 . Has anyone else heard that? I read that and started thinking about how "one can't live if the other survives" and the the speculation around Neville.

ARGH, when's book 7 being released.

 

[monarchsfan16]

Somebody on another board said that JKR, has said Harry dies in book 7 . Has anyone else heard that? I read that and started thinking about how "one can't live if the other survives" and the the speculation around Neville.

ARGH, when's book 7 being released.

I've been reading the transcripts over on Mugglenet from JKR's most recent conversations about book 7 (and book 6). She refuses to say whether or not Harry dies in book 7, only that she feels 7 books in a series is enough. I expect Harry will have to die in book 7, though obviously I'm hoping that Harry will survive.

 

[JulyGirl]

Well, if Harry dies, I want my money back. LOL I hate when that happens.

 

[Dancind]

Well, if Harry dies, I want my money back. LOL I hate when that happens.

I absolutely agree! Doesn't matter what HP has evolved into, it started as a children's series, a series about an outcast but special kid overcoming obstacles and finding his place in the world. Killing Harry would be a rip off. He deserves a happily ever after!