Harry and Meghan Netflix documentary

[Karin1984]

Meghan told Kate that she has baby brain and its hormones during a fight leading up to the wedding.

But it wasn't Meghan's fault, of course.

Harry writes that Meghan made the comment during the run up to the Sussexes' wedding in May 2018. After apparently upsetting Kate, Harry says Meghan apologised and insisted that is how she speaks to her friends.
But Harry then claims that William 'pointed a finger at Meg' and thundered: 'Well, it's rude, Meghan. These things are not done here'. Meghan then allegedly retorted: 'If you don't mind, keep your finger out of my face'.

'Meghan said that Kate must have ''baby brain'' because of her hormones.
'It caused a huge row because Meghan was told that she wasn't close enough to her sister-in-law to discuss her hormones and it wasn't the way people spoke to each other within the Royal Family.
'The book makes clear that Meghan felt the fall-out wasn't her fault, but it doesn't exactly make her look very good either.'

 

[Marrila]

Meghan told Kate that she has baby brain and its hormones during a fight leading up to the wedding.

But it wasn't Meghan's fault, of course.

Harry writes that Meghan made the comment during the run up to the Sussexes' wedding in May 2018. After apparently upsetting Kate, Harry says Meghan apologised and insisted that is how she speaks to her friends.
But Harry then claims that William 'pointed a finger at Meg' and thundered: 'Well, it's rude, Meghan. These things are not done here'. Meghan then allegedly retorted: 'If you don't mind, keep your finger out of my face'.

'Meghan said that Kate must have ''baby brain'' because of her hormones.
'It caused a huge row because Meghan was told that she wasn't close enough to her sister-in-law to discuss her hormones and it wasn't the way people spoke to each other within the Royal Family.
'The book makes clear that Meghan felt the fall-out wasn't her fault, but it doesn't exactly make her look very good either.'

Baby brain due to hormones? Now that's an old fashioned way to nastily put down a woman. Peculiar that a "forward thinking feminist" is happy to say such things.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Another interview on its way!

Also Good Morning America got an interview with Michael Strahan (do we like Michael Strahan?) and Harry calls William his arch-nemesis.

This guy has spent too much time in Hollywood.

Is this the one Harold takes a swipe at how much balder Willy is than himself? Stated he was shocked and Willy no longer resembles their Mum?

Does he discuss Megsy insulting Catherine at the wedding rehearsal? According to Harold The wife said Catherine" must have baby brain because of her hormones". Megsy was reprimanded for this rude remark and wasn't happy about it. (Y'all beat me to it) And this is espesically appalling from a "feminist" who is compassionate supporter of women AND mental health.

 

[Tink-osophy]

...I think Harry needed out of the family dysfunction, and Megan helped make that happen. ...

I agree he needed to get out of that environment; it certainly wasn't good for him. I'm not so sure that Megan has helped him out, though. It seems more like out of the frying pan and into the fire.

...He could be enjoying the blessings of life. He's had support, therapy. He's very fortunate to be quite wealthy. He doesn't have to work two jobs to provide for his family.
It's unfortunate he's stuck in the past, because he's missing living in the now.
I can see where his older brother will keep Harry at arms length. It's enough.

Yes, his unique blend of trauma and entitlement seem to be keeping him stuck in a pretty narrow perspective. It's very sad for him, but has crossed into insulting for the rest of us as his violins keep playing while so many around the world have far worse to deal with, with far less support, let alone comfort. As Hopperfan wrote...

So many children lose parents through tragedy. Most don't have anywhere near the support, resources or life of luxury he had. I am not diminishing his pain but his behavior, his actions are his own doing ~ not his mother's death. Others have grieved as hard and didn't spend their days finding ways to hurt others, upend a monarchy or constantly blame someone else for their behaviors. He and only he is responsible for his actions for at least the last 25 years.

I'm sure many of us remember the horrific accident that killed Princess Grace, an American turned Princess. Her daughter was with her, Princess Stephanie. She watched her mother die, she was in the accident, she had a long recovery and many were blaming her for the accident. She has not lived an easy emotional life, she obviously has carried heavy weights. But the one thing I can't find is the books she wrote, the reality tv show she made, the constant desire for attention.

American royalty Caroline Kennedy ~ the public losses she has endured. Her father murdered in public view, her uncle murdered in public view, her mother vilified and hounded by the press because of her new husband, her only sibling and wife dying in a plane accident. SO MUCH hate directed at her family. She has chosen to use her place in this world for positive.

There was so much potential for him to continue his mother's good works. SO MUCH! Being the spare offered him the opportunity to do things William can't do. He had advantages William will never have. It opened so many doors to make a difference, to carry his mother's legacy. He made a great start with his own legacy The Invictus Games but I fear his new ambitions might cause harm there. Sad.

One thing I have learned through all of this is that I think we were wrong about something. We all thought he was like his mother, I mean he looks like his uncle, a Spencer. We all thought he had that kind of heart and was going to keep her memory alive. I no longer see him as anything like his mother. With every extra tidbit of information he is so jealous of his brother, of his position, of his power. Maybe he never hated the monarchy, but was jealous of his brother ... and now he is on full revenge mode.

Also, a really good point, HopperFan. Not only does Harry not seem to understand the trauma his brother has also experienced, but he further seems to ignore the opportunities he had that no one else did, not even William.

Well he’s gone and done it now, ie criticized Camilla. This may be the last straw for King Charles.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...harles-not-marry-Camilla-new-book-claims.html

Apparently the book was already released in Spain.

Soooo, he was upset that William was concerned about him rushing too quickly into marrying Meghan, but "begged" his father not to marry Camilla at all?!

Harry consulted a medium (he calls her 'the woman') to get in touch with his mother.
...
The prince also says the woman told him Diana said: “You’re living the life she couldn’t. You’re living the life she wanted for you.”

Hmm. She said what he wanted to hear?


I wish Harry could reflect on what made his mum the "People's Princess". Forget the media and the RF for a moment, what made her so beloved by so many others. Maybe, then, he'd see that he's not going in the same direction at all.

 

[Karin1984]

Well he’s gone and done it now, ie criticized Camilla. This may be the last straw for King Charles.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...harles-not-marry-Camilla-new-book-claims.html

Apparently the book was already released in Spain.

But wait... there is more!

Camilla also launches a campaign to marry Charles and get the crown! https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/20948546/prince-harry-accuses-camilla-leaking-stories/

Pffff... and I thought the book would be boring.
Netflix really got the short end of the stick!

 

[Karin1984]

Nothing this big is “by accident”

I think the Guardian was no accident. The Guardian is the most left-woke newspaper. I think the plan was to have them daily leak one thing at a time.

I think the leak in Spain wasn't intentional. It probably won't hurt book sales, but the tv interviews probably get less interesting and won'tget better revelations than what we know now.

Now basically everything is out there. Instead of slow drip feeding the press.

 

[Disneylover99]

Ugh. Writing a book like this about your family is just so low.

 

[Tink-osophy]

Meghan told Kate that she has baby brain and its hormones during a fight leading up to the wedding.

But it wasn't Meghan's fault, of course.

Harry writes that Meghan made the comment during the run up to the Sussexes' wedding in May 2018. After apparently upsetting Kate, Harry says Meghan apologised and insisted that is how she speaks to her friends.
But Harry then claims that William 'pointed a finger at Meg' and thundered: 'Well, it's rude, Meghan. These things are not done here'. Meghan then allegedly retorted: 'If you don't mind, keep your finger out of my face'.

'Meghan said that Kate must have ''baby brain'' because of her hormones.
'It caused a huge row because Meghan was told that she wasn't close enough to her sister-in-law to discuss her hormones and it wasn't the way people spoke to each other within the Royal Family.
'The book makes clear that Meghan felt the fall-out wasn't her fault, but it doesn't exactly make her look very good either.'

Did Meghan have that kind of jokey friendship with Catherine, at that point? Or did Meghan just assume she could treat everyone in her new environment the way she had in her previous. Harry and Meghan have not shown themselves to be good at 'reading the room', over the last few years.

Also, how you make a comment like that - the context, tone and timing - as well so to whom, makes a big difference. Was it a lighthearted exchange? Maybe. Or was it said to undermine Catherine, when Meghan, allegedly, ' wasn't getting what Meghan wanted"?! We just don't know.

Harry seems very keen to criticize others without mercy, but excuses his wife and himself everything; or, at least, anything he actually acknowledges. With all the stress in their household, it's not surprising that Charles, William and Harry have all struggled and made mistakes, especially behind the scenes. Most/all (?) of that is not the public's business and, anyway, Harry is not, now, credible enough for me to accept his versions without question.

If Harry really wanted to emulate his mother and use his position for good, then he could have sought out guidance and worked to influence constructive change in his family - from within or without - as well as in the wider world. Instead, he lives in luxury and seems focused on destruction.

 

[snappy]

I think the Guardian was no accident. The Guardian is the most left-woke newspaper. I think the plan was to have them daily leak one thing at a time.

I think the leak in Spain wasn't intentional. It probably won't hurt book sales, but the tv interviews probably get less interesting and won'tget better revelations than what we know now.

Now basically everything is out there. Instead of slow drip feeding the press.

Is it still necessary to buy/read the actual book itself? All the bombshells can be seen for free.

 

[Karin1984]

Is it still necessary to buy/read the actual book itself? All the bombshells can be seen for free.

I wouldn't. Same as with Netflix. The tabloids report on every detail, quoting from the book directly.

If you really want to read it, go to the library.

There is zero reason to sponsor Harry's security and lifestyle.

 

[Karin1984]

Ah we have the story of Harry losing his virginity. I had so hoped it would be like a steamy bodice ripper book. Something like with a maid in the kitchen. But no, it is even more hilarious.

I haven't read Fifty Shades of Gray, but this is how I think of EL James' writing.

The father-of-two wrote: 'I suspected he was referring to my recent loss of virginity, a humiliating episode with an older woman who liked macho horses and who treated me like a young stallion.

'I mounted her quickly, after which she spanked my *** and sent me away. One of my many mistakes was letting it happen in a field, just behind a very busy pub. No doubt someone had seen us.'

 

[snappy]

I wouldn't. Same as with Netflix. The tabloids report on every detail, quoting from the book directly.

If you really want to read it, go to the library.

There is zero reason to sponsor Harry's security and lifestyle.

I think if I had already ordered it, I would request a refund.

 

[snappy]

Ah we have the story of Harry losing his virginity. I had so hoped it would be like a steamy bodice ripper book. Something like with a maid in the kitchen. But no, it is even more hilarious.

I haven't read Fifty Shades of Gray, but this is how I think of EL James' writing.

The father-of-two wrote: 'I suspected he was referring to my recent loss of virginity, a humiliating episode with an older woman who liked macho horses and who treated me like a young stallion.

'I mounted her quickly, after which she spanked my *** and sent me away. One of my many mistakes was letting it happen in a field, just behind a very busy pub. No doubt someone had seen us.'

Omg. Harry really needs some help if this story is included in his book. Incredible.

 

[disneychick0412]

What I really don’t understand is the constant refrain of “telling our side” of the story. What other side has been told up until now? The Royal Family hasn’t said one bad thing about these people. They’ve been magnanimous to a fault, in the face of some pretty clearly narcissistic at worst and pettily spiteful at best behavior and accusations. The person I feel worst for is William. He’s lost his brother - his best friend - for some really, really stupid reasons.

All of Megan’s complaints boil down to “they made me feel bad”. Seriously? Seriously. You’re ridiculously wealthy, your every whim is catered to, you have zero idea the troubles real people are living through, but some media toadies, online screeds, and possibly (no real proof) some off-handed private comments have sent you running for safety in the USA? And not just any part of the USA, the most media-driven part. Aiyiyi. At this point I honestly believe that she didn’t actually even have any real issues at the beginning of the relationship, but she played the victim to Harry so that she could secure her place at his side. He definitely seems the type to want to be a protector.

I get what you are saying about "comments have sent you running for safety in the USA". However, Diana's situation started out with mean tabloid comments and we know how that ended. It escalated until she was dead.
I'm not British, so I don't have the connection to the monarchy and don't get that side of things. I realize he was born into that life, but it seems like people think that because he was born into it, he shouldn't be able to live his own life. "Sorry, you have no choice, this is your life"
I don't agree with everything H&M have done, but I don't know them and take with a grain of salt all the tabloid articles where some (not saying anyone in particular or even anyone in this thread) seem to believe all that is printed.
As an American, I don't understand "the firm before family" mentality that it appears is the way of things in the royal family. It's strange that its the institution before your wife. It makes me really sad for Harry and William that their relationship is so fractured. However, as an American, I can't imagine my brother getting to dictate my life because he is going to be King. I know H&M have said too much with this documentary and interviews and such, but their relationship was rocky before that. It that because William wanted input/decision making on who he married and the life he was going to live? And Harry has always been the "spare" and a little wild and wants to forge his own path.
These are just my opinions.

 

[Marrila]

Ah we have the story of Harry losing his virginity. I had so hoped it would be like a steamy bodice ripper book. Something like with a maid in the kitchen. But no, it is even more hilarious.

I haven't read Fifty Shades of Gray, but this is how I think of EL James' writing.

The father-of-two wrote: 'I suspected he was referring to my recent loss of virginity, a humiliating episode with an older woman who liked macho horses and who treated me like a young stallion.

'I mounted her quickly, after which she spanked my *** and sent me away. One of my many mistakes was letting it happen in a field, just behind a very busy pub. No doubt someone had seen us.'

Hmmm...Sounds like he and the mrs watch Bridgerton.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I get what you are saying about "comments have sent you running for safety in the USA". However, Diana's situation started out with mean tabloid comments and we know how that ended. It escalated until she was dead.
I'm not British, so I don't have the connection to the monarchy and don't get that side of things. I realize he was born into that life, but it seems like people think that because he was born into it, he shouldn't be able to live his own life. "Sorry, you have no choice, this is your life"
I don't agree with everything H&M have done, but I don't know them and take with a grain of salt all the tabloid articles where some (not saying anyone in particular or even anyone in this thread) seem to believe all that is printed.
As an American, I don't understand "the firm before family" mentality that it appears is the way of things in the royal family. It's strange that its the institution before your wife. It makes me really sad for Harry and William that their relationship is so fractured. However, as an American, I can't imagine my brother getting to dictate my life because he is going to be King. I know H&M have said too much with this documentary and interviews and such, but their relationship was rocky before that. It that because William wanted input/decision making on who he married and the life he was going to live? And Harry has always been the "spare" and a little wild and wants to forge his own path.
These are just my opinions.

I don‘t think they necessarily wanted input on who he married. I just think they had concerns about this particular person. I could be wrong.

 

[Tink-osophy]

Prince Charles cruelly joked whether or not he was Harry's real father...

https://pagesix.com/2023/01/05/king-charles-made-jokes-about-prince-harrys-real-dad

Ouch. The thing is, there are insensitive 'jokes' passed around in many families and they can really hurt, but they don't get resolved by involving the whole world! I don't think publicizing this is something that can help Harry, even if it hurts Charles. We know that Charles didn't have the most warm fatherly figure as an example. That doesn't mean he couldn't learn better, but if Harry is going to keep giving himself a pass...

Wouldn't any therapist worth their salt be helping him deal with these things in private, for Harry's own sake?

 

[snappy]

Ouch. The thing is, there are insensitive 'jokes' passed around in many families and they can really hurt, but they don't get resolved by involving the whole world! I don't think publicizing this is something that can help Harry, even if it hurts Charles. We know that Charles didn't have the most warm fatherly figure as an example. That doesn't mean he couldn't learn better, but if Harry is going to keep giving himself a pass...

Wouldn't any therapist worth their salt be helping him deal with these things in private, for Harry's own sake?

But dealing with it in private means no drama or monetizing it.

 

[Karin1984]

Wouldn't any therapist worth their salt be helping him deal with these things in private, for Harry's own sake?

A friend and army buddy of Harry tweeted this:



Last night, for some reason, I ended up on a website with the twelve step program of AA. It made me think of Harry. Whatever demons he has (not necessarily saying Meghan or the Royal Family), he first has to realize he needs help, and then the twelve step program to ever be able to get on with his life.

Oh wait, I remember, I was watching Criminal Minds, season 6, episode 13, called: The Thirteenth Step.
With as the killers a very destructive married young couple go on a killing spree. A sociopath and a narcissist. one of them going to AA meetings. I can see how my mind ended up with comparing this to Harry.

 

[Tink-osophy]

I get what you are saying about "comments have sent you running for safety in the USA". However, Diana's situation started out with mean tabloid comments and we know how that ended. It escalated until she was dead.
I'm not British, so I don't have the connection to the monarchy and don't get that side of things. I realize he was born into that life, but it seems like people think that because he was born into it, he shouldn't be able to live his own life. "Sorry, you have no choice, this is your life"
I don't agree with everything H&M have done, but I don't know them and take with a grain of salt all the tabloid articles where some (not saying anyone in particular or even anyone in this thread) seem to believe all that is printed.
As an American, I don't understand "the firm before family" mentality that it appears is the way of things in the royal family. It's strange that its the institution before your wife. It makes me really sad for Harry and William that their relationship is so fractured. However, as an American, I can't imagine my brother getting to dictate my life because he is going to be King. I know H&M have said too much with this documentary and interviews and such, but their relationship was rocky before that. It that because William wanted input/decision making on who he married and the life he was going to live? And Harry has always been the "spare" and a little wild and wants to forge his own path.
These are just my opinions.

As a Brit, I can say that I don't think it was ever about not wanting him to live his own life ...from the general public's perspective. It was more about not wanting to support someone not doing the work - not when our health system (among others) needs all the investment it can get.

He could have left and developed a great life for himself and his wife and children, but both Harry and Meghan have kept the focus on their own resentment and perceived victim hood rather than on making a new life for themselves.

Also, don't overestimate the 'firm before family' thing.

It's obviously happened to varying degrees - as it has in many families where the line between personal lives and family business blurs - but Harry was also incredibly pampered and protected.

Plus, the balance of firm'family has been changing, anyway, in recent years. I get the impression that Harry and Meghan resented not being able to set the tone and call their own shots to a larger extent than was reasonable to sustain the "Royal" in "Royal Family".