halloween cruise/ Magic: October 28th-nov..4th 2006

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oH BOY...

My spouse and I are ALL GRINS and CHUCKLES over your $143 ponchos and fast pass ticket pile. What a hoot!

And for the 2nd shirt design concept of the night.... I wuz thinkin' about a bright ORANGE shirt with a huge green grin, triangular nose and green eyes only on it in the fashion of a huge jack-o-lantern. On the back of the shirt I thught we could have a simple couple of lines stating the lines I posted a few days ago. :thumbsup2 "Sailing the fabled Magic (2nd line smaller print) St Thomas ~ St Marteen ~ Castaway Caye" (2nd caption) The Haunted Eastern Carribean Cruise, October 28th to November 4th, 2006".... or something like that.

The beauty of this is that there are not any compromises with Disney characters or images. And while on on this matter may I ask what the deal was with Disney having a problem with green wrist mands that said Disney. I don't understand what that was about. Is it that you were buying custom made wristbands and the seller would not put Disney on them? Or...??? :confused3

So we're impressed to see you were out in the rain at DL. We live in SoCal but were at sea 375 miles south of San Diego when you were in town on the 19th. But we just had a heavy day of rain yesterday so we saw some of it anyways. SO... it sounds like the DL visit was quite productive and another "walk in the park" success with the kids. Cool! :hyper:
 
Capt, your pirate-y ship idea sounds good to me. I've not spoken with my sister, but I imagine she will need to make some money on the work we're asking her to do. She's only done family function shirts for cost of shirts only, and I'm not comfortable with asking her to take this on without charging us for her time. I know she'll be reasonable, she's got a great local customer base, primarily because she does excellent work inexpensively.

I'd like to do a couple of things before I approach her with this:

1) Get a scope of the project- how many shirts?
2) Complete the screen design.

With those two things, I will talk with her, get a website so we can narrow down the shirt we'd like the screen printed on, and then ask her the price per shirt.

Sound like a plan? Can we do another poll here? Is there a better way to gauge interest?

Off to work with me, there are still way too many piles on my desk from vacation....
 
captaincrash said:
What do you currently use and ... what sort of "power" or "performance" improvements would you like?

Captain - thanks for the all information. Currently I have a pentax that I have been using. All the features you listed sound interesting, especially the telephoto and razor sharp images.
 
Kritter - I hope you and your kids are feeling better. I re-read earlier posts and saw that you suffered a collapased lung last year. I also have had that happen to me, but not to the extreme where part of my lung was removed. They were able to re-inflate my \\


They reinflated mine too three times...How long ago did this happen??

Well Hope seems a bit better lower fever waiting for the dr. to call and see what they want us to do...I so do not want to have to take her to the hospital...

The t-shirts soud great....
 

GoofyDrivesACar said:
Captain - thanks for the all information. Currently I have a pentax that I have been using. All the features you listed sound interesting, especially the telephoto and razor sharp images.

The Canon DSLRs command over 50% market share because their image sensors achieve the most perfect images (currently). The quality of image is going to seem somewhat FLAT because it is capturing a wide dymanic range. Images stright and reprocessed from the camera may seem punchier... but in reality they are more likely to destroy image detail at the range extremes.

So... the Canon EOS 350 is what I would recommend. It is fast, relatively light and very compact for a DSLR. The thing is so compact that some folks with big hands are NOT comfortable with it. I hope that is not the case with you. GO TO DPREVIEW.com for reviews on the EOS 350.

The next big decision will be lenses. GO to Fred Miranda.com for info here. You get lots of practical opinions on just lenses here. And try to stick with Canon lenses... and not the 3rd party sort. I tried Tamarons and looked long and hard at Sigmas for their "value" and decided not to go that route. And for the long haul DO NOT get any of the Canon EF-S lenses. They will only work with the digital camera APS sensors. L eries Canon lenses are the pro series and quite expensive.

Gotta run my little one to the dentist for doping and filling... :crazy2:
 
captaincrash said:
The thing is so compact that some folks with big hands are NOT comfortable with it. I hope that is not the case with you. GO TO DPREVIEW.com for reviews on the EOS 350.
Actually that is a problem with my current camera, it is so small that I feel like I am always going to drop it. Thanks for the tips on the EOS 350, I will check it out.
 
captaincrash said:
oH BOY...

My spouse and I are ALL GRINS and CHUCKLES over your $143 ponchos and fast pass ticket pile. What a hoot!

And for the 2nd shirt design concept of the night.... I wuz thinkin' about a bright ORANGE shirt with a huge green grin, triangular nose and green eyes only on it in the fashion of a huge jack-o-lantern. On the back of the shirt I thught we could have a simple couple of lines stating the lines I posted a few days ago. :thumbsup2 "Sailing the fabled Magic (2nd line smaller print) St Thomas ~ St Marteen ~ Castaway Caye" (2nd caption) The Haunted Eastern Carribean Cruise, October 28th to November 4th, 2006".... or something like that.

The beauty of this is that there are not any compromises with Disney characters or images. And while on on this matter may I ask what the deal was with Disney having a problem with green wrist mands that said Disney. I don't understand what that was about. Is it that you were buying custom made wristbands and the seller would not put Disney on them? Or...??? :confused3

So we're impressed to see you were out in the rain at DL. We live in SoCal but were at sea 375 miles south of San Diego when you were in town on the 19th. But we just had a heavy day of rain yesterday so we saw some of it anyways. SO... it sounds like the DL visit was quite productive and another "walk in the park" success with the kids. Cool! :hyper:

Okay, I may have exaggerated a little with $143 ponchos, but it did stop raining shortly after we bought them and the rest of the day was great. However, that was a PILE of 100 valid fast passes. We did pad it a little with passes we had no intention of using - Grizzly River Rapids & no way to use 10 Screamin' passes with 4 children. But, I think we used the rest of them by the end of the day.

What do you think about substituting a silhouette of the Magic for the pumkin's mouth?

Disney had no issue with the wristbands. It was the company that was making the wristbands that had the problem with it. I'm pretty sure Disney would have let us slide with small number of bands - the lawyer would have made more, just writing a letter, than the bands were worth. BTW, I think wearing the wristbands on the ship was great. It was very easy to spot on the ship and could be worn all the time. And they didn't get as smelly as a shirt worn for 7 days ;)

Rain? It never rains in So Cal! ;)

sjcubedofct said:
Sound like a plan? Can we do another poll here? Is there a better way to gauge interest?

Off to work with me, there are still way too many piles on my desk from vacation....

We (choc_marg & I) are in for 4 - two adulty size and two kiddie sizes. Well, as long as they cost less than our cabin in the bilge room ;)

GoofyDrivesACar said:
Captain - thanks for the all information. Currently I have a pentax that I have been using. All the features you listed sound interesting, especially the telephoto and razor sharp images.

You better got auto-focus so you can take pictures with a bahama-mama in your other hand!

kritter said:
Kritter - I hope you and your kids are feeling better. I re-read earlier posts and saw that you suffered a collapased lung last year. I also have had that happen to me, but not to the extreme where part of my lung was removed. They were able to re-inflate my \\


They reinflated mine too three times...How long ago did this happen??

Well Hope seems a bit better lower fever waiting for the dr. to call and see what they want us to do...I so do not want to have to take her to the hospital...

The t-shirts soud great....

pixiedust: pixiedust: pixiedust: pixiedust: pixiedust: pixiedust: pixiedust:
 
awoltoday said:
You better got auto-focus so you can take pictures with a bahama-mama in your other hand!
Isn't that what LaRue is for, holding my drinks? :rotfl2: Oops I hope she doesn't see this
 
sjcube....You can put us down for 3 adults and 1 kid for the shirts.


Crash.....Great info on the camera's. What do I need to take multiple pictures fast, from 50 to 100 feet away and not allowed to use a flash. I am having trouble getting pictures of kelly during her gym meets. Thanks for the info.

awol....welcome back....glad you had a great time. We cannot wait to go back to DL.

Dave
 
awoltoday said:
I think I would opt for handing her the camera ;)
What is this about me holding his drinks and now the camera :rotfl2: No, No, No, I am going to be far too busy sunning myself on the lounge chair (next to Choc Marg) watching the darling children splash in the pool. I am sure that is where we will be left when you two go out on your adventures, so on second thought the camera may be safer with me. :lmao:

Now, watch I will be the one that drops the dumb thing in the pool or worse overboard :crazy2:

Glad to see that your back AWOL! Say hi to Choc Marg :wave:
 
wow lots of activity...lately...

I have been busy with the kids...took hope for an x-ray today...
Then we have my dad so I have been busy with all of those things....


Hope everyone is well here....
 
XLT800 said:
Crash.....Great info on the camera's. What do I need to take multiple pictures fast, from 50 to 100 feet away and not allowed to use a flash. I am having trouble getting pictures of kelly during her gym meets. Thanks for the info.

Dave

Well... the short answer is I recommend a Canon DSLR... most likely the most cost effective "semi-pro" body would be a EOS 350. The body I have is a discountinued 10D which costs a little less on ebay but has a larger all magnesium body as opposed to the 350 with a polycarbonate skin over stainless chassis.

Then for lenses at 50-100 feet in low light you need something with reach and speed. Speed is very expensive... and if you don't mind going 1000 to near 2000 for one lens then I would say look at "L" series lense like the 70-200 IS (image stabilized) with an F2.8 aperature for $1600. The ultimate would be a $3300 for a 200mm F1.8 single focal length "prime" telephoto lense. This is what you see professional use at major sporting events for medium distance photography. It is tested by many as the sharpest ense of any focal length comercially available.

Now if you don't really want to have that much cash in one lense plus these super fast lenses are unusually HEAVY.... then you could get what I have which is the 70-300 IS f3.8-5.6. This is significantly slower at high magnification (F5.6 versus 2.8) but the cost of the lense is under $600. The lense is one of Canon's latest introductions an as such it has a 3rd generation image stabilizing mechanism. Which is more advanced then the current crop of professional lenses. What you primarily sacrifice is lense speed (sensitiity), barely measurable contrast and color drift, water resistance and physical construction.

The IS allows you to hand hold rather then lug a tripod or monopod.... but I usually carry one or the other. The complimentary midpriced lenses are 28-105 f3.5 Mk2 and the 20-35 f3.5. All of these are reasonable well graded on Fredmiranda.com and many remark that they are sharp bargains in the Canon line up. If you have more cash to invest then just swap one or more lenses for the "L" series counterpart. The cost per lense will be 2-5x more depending on which one you swap.

And remember to plan for a high power flash like the 420 or 550 strobes. Gotta have that ya kno! I have the 420 for portability. :thumbsup2

NOW>.... why are you getting this particular combo... (more on that later as I have to run errands for a few hours now)....
 
XLT800 said:
awol....welcome back....glad you had a great time. We cannot wait to go back to DL.

Dave

Thanks! I can't wait either. PotC isn't even closed yet and I'm thinking about going to ride it when it opens back up.

LaRue said:
What is this about me holding his drinks and now the camera :rotfl2: No, No, No, I am going to be far too busy sunning myself on the lounge chair (next to Choc Marg) watching the darling children splash in the pool. I am sure that is where we will be left when you two go out on your adventures, so on second thought the camera may be safer with me. :lmao:

Now, watch I will be the one that drops the dumb thing in the pool or worse overboard :crazy2:

Glad to see that your back AWOL! Say hi to Choc Marg :wave:

Oh. You didn't hear? She's not coming with us. She will be glued to the seat of her new car, so it'll just be me and the kids.

kritter said:
wow lots of activity...lately...

I have been busy with the kids...took hope for an x-ray today...
Then we have my dad so I have been busy with all of those things....


Hope everyone is well here....

No results from the x-rays? More pixiedust:

captaincrash said:
Well... the short answer is I recommend a Canon DSLR... most likely the most cost effective "semi-pro" body would be a EOS 350. The body I have is a discountinued 10D which costs a little less on ebay but has a larger all magnesium body as opposed to the 350 with a polycarbonate skin over stainless chassis.

Then for lenses at 50-100 feet in low light you need something with reach and speed. Speed is very expensive... and if you don't mind going 1000 to near 2000 for one lens then I would say look at "L" series lense like the 70-200 IS (image stabilized) with an F2.8 aperature for $1600. The ultimate would be a $3300 for a 200mm F1.8 single focal length "prime" telephoto lense. This is what you see professional use at major sporting events for medium distance photography. It is tested by many as the sharpest ense of any focal length comercially available.

Now if you don't really want to have that much cash in one lense plus these super fast lenses are unusually HEAVY.... then you could get what I have which is the 70-300 IS f3.8-5.6. This is significantly slower at high magnification (F5.6 versus 2.8) but the cost of the lense is under $600. The lense is one of Canon's latest introductions an as such it has a 3rd generation image stabilizing mechanism. Which is more advanced then the current crop of professional lenses. What you primarily sacrifice is lense speed (sensitiity), barely measurable contrast and color drift, water resistance and physical construction.

The IS allows you to hand hold rather then lug a tripod or monopod.... but I usually carry one or the other. The complimentary midpriced lenses are 28-105 f3.5 Mk2 and the 20-35 f3.5. All of these are reasonable well graded on Fredmiranda.com and many remark that they are sharp bargains in the Canon line up. If you have more cash to invest then just swap one or more lenses for the "L" series counterpart. The cost per lense will be 2-5x more depending on which one you swap.

And remember to plan for a high power flash like the 420 or 550 strobes. Gotta have that ya kno! I have the 420 for portability. :thumbsup2

NOW>.... why are you getting this particular combo... (more on that later as I have to run errands for a few hours now)....

And I thought I was a geek! You make me proud! :cool1:
 
:disrocks:

I'm back for a few minutes....

awoltoday said:
And I thought I was a geek! You make me proud! :cool1:

:thanks: Having technical passion is not necessarily what it used to be thought of with the likes of Bill Gates or even my pro football neighbor who I would view as sharing my passion for photography! Cheers! :thumbsup2

So as I wuz saying... you want this combination of camera body and lenses for the following reasons...

You stated you wanted to take multiple images in low light from 50-100 feet away (no flash). Well, any pocket camera will do a piss poor job with that sort of environment and restriction. But s DSLR is the most powerful option in general.

Consider.... A DSLR has an image sensor that is the size of an APS sensor versus the tiny sensors in the pocket and super slim pocket cameras at 1/1.8 or 1/2.5". The general size difference is a factor of 11 to 1 or 15 to 1. However the number of pixels are usually 8MP versus 7 or 6. SO the increase in pixels is only about 14-17% more on a DSLR but the image size is out of porportion in being far larger with 1100-1500% larger. So each individual pixel element is far larger. Thus they are far more sensitive to light larger surface area. This also translates into comparable performance without electronic magnification which in thoery introduces noise to an otherwise pure image. Plus with flagship DSLRs are equipped with massive high speed buffers to capture several images to rapidly process the huge data chunks and write them to the card. Then they match a fast recycling shutter with a huge (interchangable) lense and you have the state of the art in hand held image capture for the purists.

The larger image sensors can push sensitivity up to ISO 400-800 with generally noise-less output. Most pocket cameras would have comparable noise-less limits at perhaps ISO 150-200. The super slim compacts might be noisless at ONLY their lowest sensitivity levels of ISO 100! And the Canon DSLRs can shoot at ISO 1600 with very slight noise... and on top of that they have a special "H" setting for ISO sensitivity that pushes sensor sensitivity up to 3200!!!! This would have considerable noise but some consider it tolerable depending on the application. Add a flash with those speeds and you can shoot under truly awful conditions! Compare that to the maximum speed of the average pocket digicam at ISO 400 and you can see the DSLRs are 8x faster. AND, the DSLRs are cleaner at their top speeds of ISO 1600 or 3200 compared to the digicams at their top speed of ISO 400.

So... the DSLR bodies are FAST given their highly sensitive CMOS sensors - coupled to fast buffers and DIGIC 2 processors. Add to the mix a precise focusing system that defines 7 (or more) programmable focus points in the view finder and you can be more certain of achieving focus on the desired point. And then you add a sensitive shutter designed to trigger the instant it is depressed and you has a very responsive set up.

The lenses you select should be well received on fredmiranda.com.... check it out or just go with what I've suggested. If possible try to visit a local store to HANDLE the lenses under consideration. Sometimes you may feel one lense handles better than another. Or you may the focal range of a given zoom is less practical then you anticipated. And IF you become a total purist and advocate for perfection... then you will lean towards fixed focal length PRIME lenses. These are generally cheaper and without a doubt razor sharp and contrasty compared to any zoom 7 days a week!

Precautions... the DSLRs have a lifespan on the shutter of about 35,000-50,000 actuations. Then you have to send them in for replacement shutter assemblies. That can run $250-400 supposedly. If you buy the new EOS 30D the rated lifespan is about 50,000+ actuations. And if you spend $1000s for a body then you get the shutters that last 100,000+. In practice just keep in mind that when you start seeing "error 99" op up excessively then your shutter is failing OR you've been sloppy about sheltering your camera OR your lense to body electrical contacts are damaged/contaminated.

And... if and when you change / upgrade the DSLR body you oviously keep your lenses. SO investing in lenses can be semi-permanent. Bodies are somewhat disposable over the years or decades. They seem to upgrade models every 18 months so an EOS 350 replacement is due in about 10 months or so.

ALso, aways buy a good UV filter for all your lenses as this serves to protect your expensive glass with a potentially disposable filter. I would expect to spend anywhere from $20-50 for a filter ... and your expenditure should coorespond to thecost of the lense. Getting the HOYA black label filters transmit 99.7% of light... they're the best. The grey label filters I think transmit 97% and they may be good enough at less then half the cost. And I would AVOID the cheapest green label Hoya filters since they transmit only 85% of light. You'd be just as well off wrapping your lense in saran wrap if you buy a green label filter.

As for the alternative of NIKON... I used to be a Nikon film snob... but the truth is Nikon has not been as competitive. Their cooresponding DSLRs do not outperform the matched Canon DSLRs. I suspect the glass i comparable except that Canon has FAR MORE advances in lenses design and innovation comared to Nikon. There is a reason why you see so many white barreled Canon Super zooms at every single professional sporting event. If you go Nikon in general you have opted for tactile feel and spec sheet comparisons versus test results and common sense. The Nikons will take good pictures - it's just that the Canons are very widely considered to be superior in many respects. BUT... I do like the way the Nikons fel in the hand. But heck.... in just a few moments I can see the design limits .... like having a 5 point focus system versus the more sophisticated 7 point systems in the comparable Canons... and that is even against canons that are one or two generations older than the current Nikons!

Get the drift? All the other DSLR makers are a distant 3rd or worse compared to Canon.

Gotta git back to work... than I gotta drive out to pick up the dog from my sister ...

Bye til tomorrow.! ;)
 
Crash...great info on the camera's. Now to convince DW how important it is to spend that kind of money for a camera and equipment.

Anyone book a cruise for 2007? We went ahead and booked for October. The price was $500 higher than 2006. We have until March 6 to put the deposit down but I wanted to try to get the cheapest price. Might go ahead and put deposit down and rebook it when we get on board in May.


Dave
 
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You want to see some serious disney stuff.... :confused3 :confused3


Dave,
I would like to convince DH to rebook when we are on in Oct.. but we will see how much it is...Either the cruise or adding on to our DVC....

Kristin
 
This is our first cruise - Me, DH, DS (12), DS (6). Sister and her family are also going and they have a DS (4) and a DD (12).

Big Boat, Open Water, .....I'm a little nervous :scared:

I have really no idea what to expect, but Halloween is my FAVORITE time of the year! So if we were going on a Disney Cruise, then this is the best time for me!! We are all planning on wearing costumes...lol Anyone else planning on wearing costumes?

Since this trip is cutting deep into our budget we decided on a cat. 11 room. If we went any better then I would have to forego my Spa treatment ;)

Kids are VERY excited... my youngest keeps asking me if we are leaving soon.

We are arriving Friday night, probably staying near the airport since our flight comes in late (11pm or so). I'm now looking for a service to pick us up at the hotel and take us to the port. Cheapest I have found is $165 round trip for the 8 of us. We are also staying at the hotel one night when we arrive from the cruise (couldn't get a flight out until the next morning, Sunday).

Also has anyone purchased Trip Insurance? Who through? AAA is quoting me $121 total, is that a good price?

DH is paying off our balance today - yeah! I'm sure I'll faint when the CC bill comes in next month...lol

Here's hoping and praying we have GREAT weather in October!!

Michelle pixiedust:
 
Hello Michelle.....welcome to the group! :wave:

We have cruised in October twice and the weather has been perfect. The water at CC is a little chilly for DW (she keeps our pool at 90 degrees) Not sure about your insurance as we have not bought for the last 5 cruises. :confused3

Dave
 
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