Guest Assistance Cards ending, to be replaced with Fastpasses?

[BigAlsGal]

I don't mind Disney allowing children to loop. In all seriousness, if waiting an extra two minutes ruins your day or your vacation, you have bigger problems.

What if Peter Pan was full of kids and their families who wanted to loop? I mean full. The whole line was at a standstill? How long would you wait before complaining that the line hasn't moved?

In the video her son wanted to loop TGMR. What if it was TSMM? That's the most popular ride? Would that make a difference if that was the ride full of looping kids?

There just HAS to be a limit.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

What if Peter Pan was full of kids and their families who wanted to loop? I mean full. The whole line was at a standstill? How long would you wait before complaining that the line hasn't moved?

In the video her son wanted to loop TGMR. What if it was TSMM? That's the most popular ride? Would that make a difference if that was the ride full of looping kids?

There just HAS to be a limit.

Yes, and the limit is if you have a disability. It seems like Disney is allowing people to loop under the new policy. Their rules, not yours.

 

[BigAlsGal]

Yes, and the limit is if you have a disability. It seems like Disney is allowing people to loop under the new policy. Their rules, not yours.

True true.

 

[ZehnJahren]

Poor Disney. They're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Whose visit do they make special? The kid in the wheelchair who wants to loop on TSMM, or the kid in the wheelchair waiting an additional half hour for the wheelchair accessible line because some other kid "just has to, HAS to" loop?

Do they make the trip special for the little girl who just finished chemo, or for the little boy who just watched his father die?

Do they make the trip special for the autistic kid with the AP, or for the able-bodied kid on his only trip?

Something had to happen to even this out. If everyone is special, no one is. If everyone gets preferential treatment, no one does. If your child CANNOT wait in line, and her child CANNOT wait in line, and his child CANNOT wait in line, that's going to end up being one long line... that they have to wait in.

And that's exactly what was happening.

 

[PainInIL]

Yes, and the limit is if you have a disability. It seems like Disney is allowing people to loop under the new policy. Their rules, not yours.

But since they can't ask for proof, what if everyone just starts saying they have a disability because word got out that is how you scam the system. My point is that GAC started out with great intentions, but once the door was opened, it was abused. It is a very slippery slope.

 

[mefordis]

But since they can't ask for proof, what if everyone just starts saying they have a disability because word got out that is how you scam the system. My point is that GAC started out with great intentions, but once the door was opened, it was abused. It is a very slippery slope.

Bingo. This is what I was thinking. Now that there is a video on youtube showing what types of questions they ask and how the whole process works, anyone with a, let's say a typical 4 yr old who gets antsy in line can go to guest relations and just say she doesn't want to be touched, can't wait in line for long periods, gets out of control. They don't ask for a diagnosis, and the person may not even be lying. That is a typical 4 yr old.

I think we are going to see more abuse, not less, just of this new system.

 

[livndisney]

Yes, and the limit is if you have a disability. It seems like Disney is allowing people to loop under the new policy. Their rules, not yours.

No, the limit seems to be if you have a certain disability.

 

[Twinprincesses]

No, the limit seems to be if you have a certain disability.

I believe I read they said if you are autistic then they will put on there that you are allowed to loop the rides. To me the systems just makes it slightly more inconvienient to cheat the system if you were cheating but not impossible. To me saying your child is autistic if they are not is something many people "cheating" the system would do to get on a ride faster.

I give Disney props for trying to improve the system.

 

[Danibelle]

Because everyone should wait their turn. No one should be able to loop back onto a ride repeatedly while other guests are waiting their turn.

I applaud any system that allows someone unable to wait in line an alternative but they still need to wait their turn.

How many people are actually looping and for how many times? I don't see how this is fair to the rest of the visitors, either with or without disabilities.

 

[FireDancer]

How many people are actually looping and for how many times? I don't see how this is fair to the rest of the visitors, either with or without disabilities.

I have no idea how many are but it should be zero. All of us need to wait our turn no matter our circumstances in life. The way in which guests wait can differ but no one should get to skip waits all together except for the WISH kids. Anyone who thinks they should be able to skip lines or just ride something over and over really has an entitled mentality. I find the entire notion that anyone should be able to get on a ride 2 or 3 or 10 time while everyone else waits to ride once extremely pathetic and self-centered.

If someone wants to ride a ride 10 times in a row great. Wait your turn, ride, wait your turn again, repeat. If you can't wait in line great, wait somewhere else and return at the proper time. That is equal access. Skipping a line is better access and no one should be handed better access through a system like DAS or GAC. It is that better access that entices the people who scam the system. A system that delivers truly equal access with no better access, like DAS should, doesn't really have any incentive for those who don't actually need it.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

I have no idea how many are but it should be zero. All of us need to wait our turn no matter our circumstances in life. The way in which guests wait can differ but no one should get to skip waits all together except for the WISH kids. Anyone who thinks they should be able to skip lines or just ride something over and over really has an entitled mentality. I find the entire notion that anyone should be able to get on a ride 2 or 3 or 10 time while everyone else waits to ride once extremely pathetic and self-centered.

FireDancer, I get that you don't understand autism, but it would be good for you to do some research before posting comments like this.

 

[Spoot]

Oh, this will definitely be a HUGE help! I feel relieved already! Yay! : )

Happy to have provided some relief!

I'd check out the DISabilities forum. There are two threads (one for WDW and one for DL/DCA) with a lot of information (that Sue keeps updating) on the first page.

 

[FireDancer]

FireDancer, I get that you don't understand autism, but it would be good for you to do some research before posting comments like this.

I do understand that there are some people who have a compulsion to repeat activities. Some are OCD, some autistic, some probably something else. I don't think Disney has to or should accommodate that compulsion via a system like DAS. It is not a true need like food or water. No one will die if they can't ride Space Mountain 10 times in a row without stopping. No one is entitled to ride over and over besides WISH kids. Well, unless it is a ride with no wait then have at it because anyone can do it.

Sorry, I will never be convinced that someone else deserves to get on a ride continuously while others wait simply because they have a disability that compels them to want to do just that. Ever. Full stop. That is not equal access by any stretch of the definition of equal access.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

I do understand that there are some people who have a compulsion to repeat activities. Some are OCD, some autistic, some probably something else. I don't think Disney has to or should accommodate that compulsion via a system like DAS. It is not a true need like food or water. No one will die if they can't ride Space Mountain 10 times in a row without stopping. No one is entitled to ride over and over besides WISH kids. Well, unless it is a ride with no wait then have at it because anyone can do it.

Sorry, I will never be convinced that someone else deserves to get on a ride continuously while others wait simply because they have a disability that compels them to want to do just that. Ever. Full stop. That is not equal access by any stretch of the definition of equal access.

Welp, luckily Disney disagrees with you.

 

[DisneyKevin]

No one will die if they can't ride Space Mountain 10 times in a row without stopping.

No one will die waiting five additional minutes either.

I would hope that you never find yourself in the position of needing any sort of accommodation from someone with such a "black and white, no gray" view of things.

I would find that kind of absolute certainty exhausting.

 

[Granny square]

No one will die waiting five additional minutes either. I would hope that you never find yourself in the position of needing any sort of accommodation from someone with such a "black and white, no gray" view of things. I would find that kind of absolute certainty exhausting.

You are right. But people are hollering that their child can't wait.

 

[OurBigTrip]

No one will die waiting five additional minutes either.

I would hope that you never find yourself in the position of needing any sort of accommodation from someone with such a "black and white, no gray" view of things.

I would find that kind of absolute certainty exhausting.

So basically, you're saying that the non-disabled kids in line don't deserve to enjoy Disney as much as kids with ASD.

Reasonable accommodation to provide equal access is right.


Providing privileged access and a superior experience is wrong.

 

[OurBigTrip]

Welp, luckily Disney disagrees with you.

Sure, it's lucky for the people that are abusing the system by saying their kids need to ride an attraction multiple times with no wait.

No so lucky for the kids that have to stand in line for an hour and watch the other kid ride ten times while they wait to ride just once.

 

[FireDancer]

No one will die waiting five additional minutes either.

I would hope that you never find yourself in the position of needing any sort of accommodation from someone with such a "black and white, no gray" view of things.

I would find that kind of absolute certainty exhausting.

I'm all for equal accommodation. Having an alternative way to wait your turn is exactly that and I am all for it. That is adding gray to black and white.

All of us go to Disney and have to wait. It is what going to a popular amusement park mean and it should mean that for everyone. I applaud a system that allows those who can't wait in line an alternative way to wait but no system should say person A through Y have to wait their turn while person Z can just skip the wait not only once but repeatedly. That is just a crappy system and is not equal. DAS should be about equal, not better.

 

[jcb]

So basically, you're saying that the non-disabled kids in line don't deserve to enjoy Disney as much as kids with ASD.

Reasonable accommodation to provide equal access is right.


Providing privileged access and a superior experience is wrong.

First, it is not reasonable accommodation. That is an employment standard.
Second, I don't think you really understand reasonable accommodation. That's understandable but an employer can and must at times upset co-workers (as long as there is not an "undue burden" on the co-workers) by providing a reasonable accommodation.
Third, Disney is subject to the public accommodation provisions which prohibit it from discrimination on the basis of disability in the "full and equal enjoyment" of the services Disney provides and, if we believe the California federal courts, Disney must make reasonable accommodations to permit the full and equal enjoyment. 22 years later, it is still not clear what "full and equal enjoyment" requires but it sure doesn't mean refusing an accommodation to a disabled guest because it might make someone else wait longer in line.