Grateful Iraqis

Yes Bet, I sleep better thinking our genius President may get drunk and declare war on Canada one night while I'm sleeping...But I take solace in the fact that no illicit sex will happen in the Oval office. But perhaps, as Kendra says, I am wrong...I'm so happy to hear things are GREATin Iraq. When will we stop hearing about dead soldiers EVERY STINKING DAY???

Sleep well oh confident ones...Your guy only has a few more weeks left until he's a lame duck.:teeth: :teeth: :teeth:
 
Oh Pessimistic Pete, do you not expect deaths in a war? A war that your guy voted for by the way. The vast majority of Iraq is in great shape, however of course there will be casualties and hardships, they are just exagerrated.

It is sad that your side is rooting for more deaths and failures and highlighting them as your only way to win.
 
I have relatives who are actually in Iraq fighting, and others who fly supllies in and out of Iraq on a weekly basis.

They who see firsthand what is going on there are who I believe.

They tell me that things are not as ominous as the media here would have us believe.

I choose to believe them instead of Dan Rather or Peter Jennings.
 

That's great Disney Doll, but there are plenty of others telling different stories, are they lying? A poor young kid from Ireland (I think it was) killed himself rather than go back to "hell on earth". Paint the picture as you will, but war is hell and this is a war that didn't need fighting.
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Originally posted by JoeThaNo1Stunna
The vast majority of Iraq is in great shape

Hey, I believe there are many, many good news stories in Iraq that don't get reported but lets not get carried away here,
 
Originally posted by JoeThaNo1Stunna
Peter, the vast majority of Iraq is not what you seen on tv. Iraq is a whole lot better in most places than you believe.

Do you know why you don't see it on TV? Because it is NOT SAFE for the reporters to go out and shot pictures of all the "grateful" Iraqis....

Did you see the pictures and news reports from Iraq from the day of the 1st Presidential Debate?

"A series of bomb blasts in the Iraqi capital, Baghdad, has killed at least 41 people, among them 34 children.

The bombs were detonated as crowds were gathering to celebrate the opening of a water treatment plant and US soldiers were handing out sweets."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3702710.stm

Sure, the media was there and so were all the happy children. They were there to CELEBRATE THE OPENING OF A WATER TREATMENT PLANT AND THE US SOLDIERS WERE HANDING OUT SWEETS. It is just too horrible that instead of seeing the wonderful pictures on the evening news, instead they had to report KILLED AT LEAST 41 PEOPLE, AMONG THEM 34 CHILDREN. Whose fault is that, the liberal media?



P.S. Some of you might be interested in the GW Bush Bio that is on MSNBC right now.
 
Originally posted by JoeThaNo1Stunna
Oh Pessimistic Pete, do you not expect deaths in a war? A war that your guy voted for by the way. The vast majority of Iraq is in great shape, however of course there will be casualties and hardships, they are just exagerrated.

It is sad that your side is rooting for more deaths and failures and highlighting them as your only way to win.


That is so sick!! "Our side" is not rooting for more deaths and failures. We just know that it is SO SAD to see this war continue along this path which is NOT WORKING - things are NOT GETTING BETTER in Iraq. The Mission WAS NOT ACCOMPLISHED. I have heard that the definition of INSANITY is to continue doing the same thing over and over again and expecting it to turn out differently.

And here is some more "exagerratations" for you - the same day that those 31 children were killed:


A US soldier killed by a rocket fired at a US base near Baghdad
A senior policeman shot dead in the northern city of Mosul
Also in the north, the Kirkuk mayor's chief bodyguard shot dead
Four people killed in a car bombing in Talafar that also injured about 16 others
At least four children among six or seven people killed in Falluja after US forces allegedly fired on their car
At least three civilians killed in a US air strike on Falluja overnight.
 
Originally posted by JoeThaNo1Stunna


It is sad that your side is rooting for more deaths and failures and highlighting them as your only way to win.

That is the single most disgusting thins I have ever seen posted on any message board anywhere any time. You should be banned for posting anything like that. I urge everyone to report this piece of scum that was just posted !
 
Sorry, after reading some of this...I can't think of a polite word...I had to put in my two cents. MY DH is in Iraq as we speak, defending, not only OUR country but Iraq as well! The media likes ratings, and let's face it death and mayham sell better than stories of families lining the streets to greet our soldiers on their arrival. I have heard tons of things at my table from both DH and our friends that have been both to Iraq and Afgahnistan and know what the heck really goes on there. The stories of what they have seen are heart wrenching! I for one would be ecstatic to have someone come and defend my right to live and have an opinion. If I had to live everyday in fear of some psycho coming into MY house and torturing MY children (raping and mutilating both girls and boys) I would be on my knees in thanks! Yeah, my DH could be killed between one breathe and another, but he is doing something he strongly believes in and acting with honor and bravery by putting HIS life on the line. He knew what he was doing when he joined the military, he wanted to act (please do not belive I am putting down those who do not join up; we need supporters as well as doers). He told me "I just think of it being our girls, missing parts and having that hopeless look on their face. Even if it takes a few generations, I am so glad to be here making a difference for these people." And when I asked what he wanted me to send him, he asked for candy to give out to the children. It may not sound like alot, but trust me those kids need the kindness and to see that there are people who give a crap about them. Yes, it may take a few generations to make an impact, but one day those people will have a better life and be grateful. I honestly do not understand how some people can put such faith in the media?! If they reported that ALL Americans hate the police who keep criminals off our streets would you believe it??? No, because while I am sure criminals hate the police, most people do not!
 
Originally posted by JoeThaNo1Stunna


It is sad that your side is rooting for more deaths and failures and highlighting them as your only way to win.

What kind of sad pathetic disgusting warped little mind would post something like this? Do you actually think only republicans are over there fighting. Has it occurred to you that there might actually be some democratic families of soldiers here? Anyone who would post anything so insensitive and down right IGNORANT should be ashamed of themselves.
 
Originally posted by JoeThaNo1Stunna
Oh Pessimistic Pete, do you not expect deaths in a war? A war that your guy voted for by the way. The vast majority of Iraq is in great shape, however of course there will be casualties and hardships, they are just exagerrated.

It is sad that your side is rooting for more deaths and failures and highlighting them as your only way to win.


I am lost for words. If only you had been ! It is one thing to want to win an argument, but to accuse others of rooting for deaths?
 
Originally posted by remyandhollandsmommy
MY DH is in Iraq as we speak, defending, not only OUR country but Iraq as well!

Allow me to express my admiration for his service and your steadfast support. May God continue to bless him and your family.

I live in a military town - Leesville, LA the home of Ft. Polk.

I have seen many rotate over to Iraq, I have seen many come home, and I am aware of some who died there. This is a very close-knit community. We love the men and women who serve. We loath those who denigrate their service.

I have spoken to many of them whenever I see them. In the hundreds I have spoken with, I have not had ONE of them tell me that this is the "wrong war, at the wrong place, at the wrong time."

Most of them are married and have families here. They say they are amazed at the stories their spouses tell them about the media coverage here. They say things are going MUCH better there than most here are led to believe.

These men and women are the salt of the earth. They are honorable thru and thru. They have no "spin" in their message. They speak from the heart based on their own observations and experience.

I salute them.

And yes - it MAY take a generation or two for all this to settle down. Thank God we started now. Perhaps my great grandchildren will be born into a world where global terrorism is a memory.

Again - thank you all for a positive message
 
Originally posted by faithinkarma
I am lost for words. If only you had been ! It is one thing to want to win an argument, but to accuse others of rooting for deaths?

I have seen it - it is horrible - people reacting with glee over a particularly sonorous death report.

Sure - you don't parade around with a sign that says = "more deaths" - but be honest, when the news reports another disasterous incident in Iraq - don't you just love to get to the computer to add to your filthy attacks on Bush?

And when rarely the news has a single commentary about something that is going well in Iraq - be honest now - don't you accuse them of "covering" for Bush - when they should be interviewing some dead soldiers mother, or digging into his TANG records?

Can you be honest about your feelings on this? Be a big girl.
 
Originally posted by faithinkarma
I am lost for words. If only you had been ! It is one thing to want to win an argument, but to accuse others of rooting for deaths?

oh - one more thing - lets stretch your honesty factor here.

Aren't you really GLAD that there is such a mess in Iraq?? Don't you just SAVOR the opportunity to use it to take Bush down?

Would you not be DESPONDENT if things in Iraq were going REALLY WELL?? Would you trade that situation for the current one, knowing that it would probably be a shoo-in election for Bush, but with the saving of about 1000 military lives?

Are you not GLAD of this "mess" that may well bring down the Bush presidency - as opposed to his near-impregnable position if there had been no "mess."

Knowing you only from the nastiness of your posts - you may well be a very nice lady - i hope so - but from the nature of your posts, I have formed the opinion that you would not redeem those 1000 lives for a continued Bush presidency.

I am willing to bet you are going to have trouble answering this with any credibility at all. I know you will deny my assertions.

I am waiting to judge your denial.
 
Aren't you really GLAD that there is such a mess in Iraq?? Don't you just SAVOR the opportunity to use it to take Bush down?

You didn't ask me, but I have to wonder if this is the attitude you assume Democrats have regarding the opposition because this is how you would feel if the Dem's were in control of the White House?

I can't imagine wanting to see American soldiers die just so that the party that I am aligned with could win an election. I certainly hope that should Kerry be elected there aren't too many Republicans who feel as you do.
 
Flirting With Disaster
The vile spectacle of Democrats rooting for bad news in Iraq and Afghanistan.
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Monday, Sept. 27, 2004, at 11:35 AM PT


There it was at the tail end of Brian Faler's "Politics" roundup column in last Saturday's Washington Post. It was headed, simply, "Quotable":

"I wouldn't be surprised if he appeared in the next month." Teresa Heinz Kerry to the Phoenix Business Journal, referring to a possible capture of Osama bin Laden before Election Day.

As well as being "quotable" (and I wish it had been more widely reported, and I hope that someone will ask the Kerry campaign or the nominee himself to disown it), this is also many other words ending in "-able." Deplorable, detestable, unforgivable. …

The plain implication is that the Bush administration is stashing Bin Laden somewhere, or somehow keeping his arrest in reserve, for an "October surprise." This innuendo would appear, on the face of it, to go a little further than "impugning the patriotism" of the president. It argues, after all, for something like collusion on his part with a man who has murdered thousands of Americans as well as hundreds of Muslim civilians in other countries.

I am not one of those who likes to tease Mrs. Kerry for her "loose cannon" style. This is only the second time I have ever mentioned her in print. But I happen to know that this is not an instance of loose lips. She has heard that very remark being made by senior Democrats, and—which is worse—she has not heard anyone in her circle respond to it by saying, "Don't be so bloody stupid." I first heard this "October surprise" theory mentioned seriously, by a prominent foreign-policy Democrat, at an open dinner table in Washington about six months ago. Since then, I've heard it said seriously or semiseriously, by responsible and liberal people who ought to know better, all over the place. It got even worse when the Democratic establishment decided on an arm's-length or closer relationship with Michael Moore and his supposedly vote-getting piece of mendacity and paranoia, Fahrenheit 9/11. (The DNC's boss, Terence McAuliffe, asked outside the Uptown cinema on Connecticut Avenue whether he honestly believed that the administration had invaded Afghanistan for the sake of an oil or perhaps gas pipeline, breezily responded, "I do now.")

What will it take to convince these people that this is not a year, or a time, to be dicking around? Americans are patrolling a front line in Afghanistan, where it would be impossible with 10 times the troop strength to protect all potential voters on Oct. 9 from Taliban/al-Qaida murder and sabotage. We are invited to believe that these hard-pressed soldiers of ours take time off to keep Osama Bin Laden in a secret cave, ready to uncork him when they get a call from Karl Rove? For shame.

Ever since The New Yorker published a near-obituary piece for the Kerry campaign, in the form of an autopsy for the Robert Shrum style, there has been a salad of articles prematurely analyzing "what went wrong." This must be nasty for Democratic activists to read, and I say "nasty" because I hear the way they respond to it. A few pin a vague hope on the so-called "debates"—which are actually joint press conferences allowing no direct exchange between the candidates—but most are much more cynical. Some really bad news from Iraq, or perhaps Afghanistan, and/or a sudden collapse or crisis in the stock market, and Kerry might yet "turn things around." You have heard it, all right, and perhaps even said it. But you may not have appreciated how depraved are its implications. If you calculate that only a disaster of some kind can save your candidate, then you are in danger of harboring a subliminal need for bad news. And it will show. What else explains the amazingly crude and philistine remarks of that campaign genius Joe Lockhart, commenting on the visit of the new Iraqi prime minister and calling him a "puppet"? Here is the only regional leader who is even trying to hold an election, and he is greeted with an ungenerous sneer.

The unfortunately necessary corollary of this—that bad news for the American cause in wartime would be good for Kerry—is that good news would be bad for him. Thus, in Mrs. Kerry's brainless and witless offhand yet pregnant remark, we hear the sick thud of the other shoe dropping. How can the Democrats possibly have gotten themselves into a position where they even suspect that a victory for the Zarqawi or Bin Laden forces would in some way be welcome to them? Or that the capture or killing of Bin Laden would not be something to celebrate with a whole heart?

I think that this detail is very important because the Kerry camp often strives to give the impression that its difference with the president is one of degree but not of kind. Of course we all welcome the end of Taliban rule and even the departure of Saddam Hussein, but we can't remain silent about the way policy has been messed up and compromised and even lied about. I know what it's like to feel that way because it is the way I actually do feel. But I also know the difference when I see it, and I have known some of the liberal world quite well and for a long time, and there are quite obviously people close to the leadership of today's Democratic Party who do not at all hope that the battle goes well in Afghanistan and Iraq.

I have written before in this space that I think Bin Laden is probably dead, and I certainly think that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is a far more ruthless and dangerous jihadist, who is trying to take a much more important country into the orbit of medieval fanaticism and misery. One might argue about that: I could even maintain that it's important to oppose and defeat both gentlemen and their supporters. But unless he conclusively repudiates the obvious defeatists in his own party (and maybe even his own family), we shall be able to say that John Kerry's campaign is a distraction from the fight against al-Qaida.


Christopher Hitchens is a columnist for Vanity Fair. His new collection of essays, Love, Poverty and War, is forthcoming in October.
 
John Kerry's campaign is a distraction from the fight against al-Qaida.

Too bad he didn't make this ridiculous comment at the very beginning of his diatribe so I could've saved myself the trouble of reading his op ed piece.

I guess he thinks that we should just call off the elections and simply award Bush another 4 years without all the bother of that useless, troublesome and distracting democratic process that is supposedly so important to bring to Iraq.:rolleyes:
 
Tears building up in my eyes- what a beautiful thing. I absolutely believe the majority of Iraqis are decent, good people and this helps cement my thoughts. Thank you for posting this picture and article.

My DH is on his way to Iraq in Feb....hope he runs into many of the good people in Iraq. Hope things calm down by then as the Iraqi elections will be over.
 
Originally posted by Peter Pirate
Well of course there ARE greatful Iraqi's...Just not many of them since we've killed countless thousands of their innocents, invited the terrorists to their country ("bring it on") and continue to bomb their neighborhoods, I'd think it's safe to say the "positive stories" would be few and far between.

http://chrenkoff.blogspot.com/2004_05_16_chrenkoff_archive.html#108493214609755777

Good news from Iraq - bet you didn't know there was any?

Prisoner abuse, Shia uprising, prisoner abuse, Fallujah, prisoner abuse, lost heart and minds, prisoner abuse... Oh, did I mention prisoner abuse?

The news from Iraq has been consistently bad for two month now, with one "quagmire" after another cheering up the media, the left and the "Arab street", and depressing the hell out of most conservatives.

So, for a change, here's some good news from Iraq that you might have missed (I don't know how that could have happened):

DEMOCRACY TAKES ROOT: Democracy is spreading - from the ground up, as it should: "In the province of Dhi Qar, about 230 miles southeast of Baghdad and a backwater even by Iraq's standards, residents voting as families will have elected city councils in 16 of the 20 biggest cities by next month."

And in Baghdad, "American authorities created nine district councils... with representatives sent by 88 neighborhood advisory councils. The district councils, in turn, sent representatives to the Baghdad City Advisory Council to work with the American administration." "Every day the evidence is a little stronger that the council members understand the benefits of this system, and we even see signs out in the community of it catching on."

Meanwhile, a Western PR firm, with Arab partners, tackles the world's toughest ad campaign - selling democracy to Iraqis accustomed to life under a dictatorship.

HEALTHIER, WEALTHIER AND WISER: "[M]y salary was about 17 US$ before the war. Shortly after the war it was raised to 120 US$. Three months after that, they made it 150 US$. Two months later it became 200$... [and] from the next month... [it] will be around 300 US$" - read the whole extensive piece on salaries, unemployment, and the standard of living. It makes a fascinating living.

And there's also good news for retired government employees, who are finally getting decent pensions. And the 80,000 needy families, who are being taken care of by the Iraqi Minister of Labour and Public Affairs (with 300,000 more by the year's end). According to the Minister, Sami Azara Al Majoon: "We have rehabilitated the orphanages, the centres for the handicapped and special needs institutions in Iraq, as well as the institutions for the deaf and blind. Work is on to accommodate all the homeless and orphaned children and ensure the needs of the handicapped. In addition, we have opened 28 offices for the ministry in different parts of the country to accept applications of Iraqi citizens in search of employment and job training."

Meanwhile, on the education front, "more than five million Iraqi students are back in school and more than 51 million new Ba'ath-free textbooks are in circulation." And Iraqi universities are experiencing a brain drain in reverse, as many of the thousands of academics forced into exile under Saddam are coming back to teach the next generation of students.

And in health, "some 100,000 healthcare professionals working in 240 re-opened hospitals and 1,200 clinics." The health system has to be rebuilt almost from scratch: "[it] was 'already badly run down' due to previous wars, sanctions, drastically reduced spending - some estimates suggest the Iraqi health budget was cut by 90 per cent during the 1990s - as well as an inequitable health treatment policy."

SPIRITS REVIVE: "In a stunning upset victory, the Iraq national football team defeated Saudi Arabia tonight 3 to 1 to earn a trip to the 2004 Olympic Summer games in Athens." It's the first time in Iraq's history that Iraqi football team will compete in the Olympics. Better still, the soccer stadium in Baghdad won't be used by Saddam anymore as an outdoor torture chamber, and Iraqi soccer player know that if they fail in the future they won't be tortured by Uday Hussein.

Other areas of life previously suppressed are experiencing cultural revival - like traditional Kurdish music. "Before, Arab music was the most popular, but now even the latest albums aren't selling... Many more people are buying Kurdish music," says Niyaz Zangana, who runs the popular Zang record store in Arbil.

Not just Kurds, but also Marsh Arabs, whose homeland was destroyed by Saddam as collective punishment for rebellion, are reviving. With the marshes being reflooded and ecosystem restored, the ancient culture is returning to the mouths of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers.

THE RECONSTRUCTION: "Iraqi crude oil sales since last year's U.S.-led invasion hit more than $9 billion... The Coalition Provisional Authority had deposited a total of $9.28 billion in its Development Fund for Iraq."

"Some 20,000 contractors are doing business in the country with relatively few security problems... Most are sharing in the $18.4 billion that has been allocated by the U.S. government to rebuild roads, public utilities, schools, housing and other parts of the Iraq economy."

John Roberts, a contracting officer with the Army Corps of Engineers, says: "Saddam Hussein used power as a reward and punishment... Power's important to us (Americans) because we see power as relating to the people." While the Army Corps of Engineers has been mostly restoring oil infrastructure, it is also "creating and improving ports, airports, roads, bridges, schools and health clinics. The corps has replaced more than 700 electrical towers throughout Iraq, Roberts said. The goal is to restore 6,000 megawatts to the national grid by June 1. About 4,500 megawatts are currently on the national grid."

In fact, overall "about 2,200 different [reconstruction] projects worth around US$2.5 billion were under way, with 18,000 already completed. Targets had been met with oil production, which was back to 2.3 million barrels a day, clean drinking water and power."

Meanwhile, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce welcomes the establishment of an American Chamber of Commerce in Iraq -- "AmCham for short."

And while the big guys work on the big stuff, a lot of private charity work is going on under the radar, be it donations of toys for Iraqi children, helping with supplies and equipment for Iraqi schools, or this latest appeal: "In response to a request from the U.S. 1st Marine Division, Spirit of America donated 10,000 school supply kits, 3 tons of medical supplies and 2 tons of Frisbees printed with 'Friendship' in English and Arabic. These items will be given to Iraqis by the Marines as gifts of friendship from the American people."

THE SECURITY SITUATION: Fallujah is revolting and al-Sadr is stirring trouble in the Shia south, but the Kurd-controlled areas are going so well that you never hear anything about them: "American soldiers based here don't have to call in air strikes against foreign fighters or exchange gunfire with Baathist loyalists. Nor do they live in mortal fear of deadly IEDs, or improvised explosive devices, along the roadsides. In fact, says one soldier who travels in this area, 'I always see the thumbs up, and little kids offer us candies'."

Speaking of Fallujah, the US-appointed retired major-general, Mohammed Abdul-Latif, seems to be having a calming effect on the locals: "We can make [the US] use their rifles against us or we can make them build our country, it's your choice," he has told "a gathering of more than 40 sheikhs, city council members and imams in an eastern Fallujah suburb... As he spoke, many sheikhs nodded in approval and listened with reverence. Later, they clasped his hands and patted him on the back."

Elsewhere, "Accused of being collaborators with American occupation forces, Iraqi policemen, guards, and soldiers have endured ridicule, threats, and targeted violence that have left hundreds dead over the past year. But there are signs that hard-nosed attitudes toward the country's embattled, US-trained security forces are beginning to soften."

THE REAL PRISONER ABUSE: The story of nine Iraqis sent to Abu Ghraib prison on flimsy charges, tortured, mutilated and filmed for amusement. By Saddam Hussein. The nine men in question had their hands chopped off; now Americans are giving them new ones.

THE MIDDLE EASTERN DOMINOES: "We went to the Arab countries and said, 'Look, you need to come together with a blueprint for Arab reform. If you do not articulate such a blueprint, one may be forced upon you.' We in Jordan are in the clear: We have our plans and are not using regional problems as an excuse. We are moving forward, as are some of the other moderate countries. But the rest of you, 'Wake up!' The Middle East is changing. If you don't get that process going, one will be forced on you." - King Abdullah of Jordan in an interview with "Washington Post".


This was the first in what has become a regular series of a roundup of good news from Iraq. Regardless of how you feel about the war, I think we owe it to ourselves to see some of what goes on in Iraq that isn't being shown on a regular basis. And it isn't being shown. There is a lot of good happening there and it doesn't get shown because of media bias. Not a liberal or a conservative bias but a big news and ratings bias. Explosions and beheadings get ratings, the small neighborhood that finally has electricity for the first time in years doesn't.
Shouldn't we get to see all sides of a story before we come to a conslusion?

Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5, Part 6, Part 7, Part 8, Part 9, Part 10, Part 11
 

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