GRAND OPENING - GRAND CLOSING (Florida)

[bavaria]

People in Sweden are much less inclined to be turn this into a political issue. They tend to focus more on the best interest of society than Americans do as well. It a completely different mindset than we have here.

Also in case people are not aware, it's been virtually impossible to pay with cash in Sweden for a few years now - it's mostly just wave the card so contactless is the norm, which probably also contributed in some way ie they didn't have to adjust that. I don't disagree with you; I only posted because someone raised the Sweden issue and someone else rightfully pointed out that it needs to be put in context as their form of 'no restrictions' is far more restricted than many think.

I also think that I'm probably the only person here who travelled extensively around the globe in the last many months, and have experience in many of the countries discussed. (I don't think that I 'know' you, but in a normal week I may be in 3-5 countries anywhere in the world, and I was still travelling until a few weeks ago when unrelated medical issue had to be addressed. I'm only here because I'm bored, insomniac, and have some relevant input and insight into some of these countries )

 

[MickeyMinnie1971]

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[mommasita]

That was the best benefit from this all I work for a Dutch/French company, and the constant kissing my French colleagues whenever we went to Paris or they came to NL... In NL we never kiss our colleagues (yes, maybe on a birthday or the first day after New Year), the French do it constantly, each day. And the constant struggle as the French do 2 kisses and in NL it's 3! They try to be polite and follow our rules and go for 3 kisses, and we try to do the same and want to go for 2 kisses... Always awkward.

The same for working from home, it's very custom in NL to work from home whenever needed (when a mechanic comes over or a doctor's visit, etc.). No one at our office cares, as long as you didn't work from home each day. For my colleagues in France, that was just not done. And we had huge discussions, as we had a French manager overseeing a FR/NL combined team. As the French were not really allowed to work from home, they didn't want the Dutch to work from home either... While we were not at the same office to begin with and had already a lot of meetings via phone or video calling.
Also that is one of the benefits from Covid. Now that we all had to work from home the French manager has seen that we are still productive and the world didn't come to an end.

About the open spaces on public transportation, depends a bit on where you are in Europe. Also here a big difference between North and South Europe. But yes... I do change seats if possible And I believe in Finland they already dislike it if there is another person in the same wagon. I am trying to find a comic I once read with all these kinds of differences, but no success yet.



But back to our topic of the day, I think not till 5-10 years from now we will be able to tell which country did a good job. We do not know the longterm consequences. We already hear so many stories of people getting mild symptoms, no hospitalization, but do need months to get back to their normal level of energy. Who knows what will be happening in the long run.

Just to piggy Back on 2 sided kissy kissy. This is DEFINITELY how we do it here in Montreal, and it was mentioned (I forget where), as something that may have contributed to our high numbers, along with other things of course.
I do not miss it, but it is strange not to do it.

 

[randumb0]

Disney does provide normal sick leave. I know for certain at least salaried employees have it.

Not for unsalaried. Disney lobbied against it as our commissioners were set to vote on requiring it for the county.

 

[hsmamato2]

How do we really know the spread of the virus in April? Testing wasn’t nearly as widespread. We are now reporting 700,000 tests daily with many cases being a symptomatic.

and that,to me is part of what's scary here.....think about those numbers posting from April of the smaller amount of testing we did get done.... that was a LOT. And now that we're doing some more,(but not nearly enough) the numbers are going right up along with that.....

 

[hsmamato2]

We're at a critical point now really. The increase in numbers seems to have slowed (i have no idea how!!) If they are somehow "lucky" enough to maintain these numbers daily then maybe, just maybe, hospitals will manage to cope.

Here's a way to massage those numbers.... lack of reporting. Just sayin'....

 

[fla4fun]

But it also gives hope that this will also happen in the US eventually. I'm not convinced yet that we will see a resurgence in the fall, and there is varying information about this too.

I think Florida will improve a lot in the fall and winter. I think the reason we didn’t have as many cases to start with is because the weather was such that we were primarily outdoors. Then the weather got hot in June, we all retreated to air conditioned buildings, and cases exploded. Many of our buildings don’t have operational windows, so turning off the AC in July and August is not an option. But come October, when the heat and humidity retreat and we start spending much more time outside than inside, I expect to see a marked reduction in cases.

 

[randumb0]

I think Florida will improve a lot in the fall and winter. I think the reason we didn’t have as many cases to start with is because the weather was such that we were primarily outdoors. Then the weather got hot in June, we all retreated to air conditioned buildings, and cases exploded. Many of our buildings don’t have operational windows, so turning off the AC in July and August is not an option. But come October, when the heat and humidity retreat and we start spending much more time outside than inside, I expect to see a marked reduction in cases.

I'm going to disagree with you on things getting better in the fall. You're forgetting that school will be open and there's a study from South Korea that shows that kids 10 and older spread the virus as much as adults

 

[Searc]

Disney does provide normal sick leave. I know for certain at least salaried employees have it.

What percentage of their workforce do you think is salaried? A very small number.

 

[fla4fun]

I'm going to disagree with you on things getting better in the fall. You're forgetting that school will be open and there's a study from South Korea that shows that kids 10 and older spread the virus as much as adults

We can agree to disagree. Many of the parents I know plan to continue homeschooling, so there may be enough of a reduction in class size to make a difference. It’s all speculation at this point anyway. This virus has a way of catching us all off guard. It’s like herding cats.

 

[randumb0]

We can agree to disagree. Many of the parents I know plan to continue homeschooling, so there may be enough of a reduction in class size to make a difference. It’s all speculation at this point anyway. This virus has a way of catching us all off guard. It’s like herding cats.

I think homeschooling will depend on the school zone so class size may not matter. A large number of school zones consist of kids that are disadvantaged. Their have parents that work in the service industry and/or in single parent households. Homeschooling will not be an option for them, unfortunately. However, I'd happily admit that I was wrong come fall as we all want the same goal

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

12,478 new Florida COVID-19 cases overnight:

20,971 hospital admissions (up about 300)

4,982 deaths (up 87 people)

 

[Southernmiss]

Schools in the deep South like Florida, start in late July/early August.

I could see high increased cases through September and then a tapering off in October when the weather is pleasant enough to open windows or go outside more.

 

[robinb]

I also think that I'm probably the only person here who travelled extensively around the globe in the last many months, and have experience in many of the countries discussed. (I don't think that I 'know' you, but in a normal week I may be in 3-5 countries anywhere in the world, and I was still travelling until a few weeks ago when unrelated medical issue had to be addressed. I'm only here because I'm bored, insomniac, and have some relevant input and insight into some of these countries )

I haven't said this yet, but it's nice to "see" you again. I started on the DIS because of a "medical issue" myself.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Schools in the deep South like Florida, start in late July/early August.

I could see high increased cases through September and then a tapering off in October when the weather is pleasant enough to open windows or go outside more.

I don't know about October. It's when flu season starts. It's going to be a challenging time. IMO

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

New numbers 12,478 new cases. 89 new deaths.

https://www.wftv.com/news/local/flo...ases-surpass-350k/RZZRTA46WJD63MMIQXEEHPAVU4/

Didn't say what worked for Sweden would have worked for the US.

I am saying there is a point where the virus appears to naturally die down, with or without intervention as evidenced by Sweden.

Well if that was truly all you wanted to say you didn't need Sweden. We all know infectious diseases, like snow eventually die down even if you do nothing. The problem with snow is if you want to get out of your driveway, you have to clean off the car and shovel. The problem with diseases is how many die along the way. How many suffer damage? And doing something vs doing less vs doing nothing changes that dynamic. And Sweden is no example to be bringing.
The kick is up..... Oh off the upright. Wait a minute. The goal posts are moving. The goal posts are moving. Doink. Off the cross bar. A double doink!!!!!

 

[kdonnel]

New numbers 12,478 new cases. 89 new deaths.

https://www.wftv.com/news/local/flo...ases-surpass-350k/RZZRTA46WJD63MMIQXEEHPAVU4/

You mean 124,780, right? Always multiply by 10x according to the CDC.

57 days until 43% or so of Floridians have had coronavirus, the tipping point(according to some scientist) where heard immunity starts to make it difficult for the virus to spread.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

You mean 124,780, right? Always multiply by 10x according to the CDC.

57 days until 43% or so of Floridians have had coronavirus, the tipping point(according to some scientist) where heard immunity starts to make it difficult for the virus to spread.

I don't think the multiply by 10 thing works across the board, no. Herd immunity is not a thing with this virus. Please don't spread that.

 

[MickeyMinnie1971]

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[roomthreeseventeen]

The post stated Disney doesn’t have sick leave, not that only some have it. My husband works there, and he’s always had sick leave. There are thousands of salaried employees.

COVID can take months to recover from, if you're unlucky. I'm pretty sure Disney's sick leave isn't that good.