GRAND OPENING - GRAND CLOSING (Florida)

[cakebaker]

Seriously. I'm not sure how long it takes to receive test results in FL, but I have heard folks waiting for over a week. And only about a third of the positive cases present with a fever. Good times.

As little as 3 weeks ago, testing here got results in 24-28 hrs. Now that we're spiking in cases, the lag has increased to up to 8 days and you can no longer be tested unless you meet the criteria of showing symptoms or in contact with a person who tested positive. Before, if you wanted a test, you got one. There's also a delay in scheduling tests. It's no longer a case of just walking in or driving in for a test.

My daughter has been tested twice for the virus. The first one she got the results the next day, this last one she did just about 2 weeks ago took 8 days. By the time she got in for a test and waited the 8 days, she was almost out of self quarantine. It's ridiculous. You have to believe that not a lot of people will willingly self quarantine for 14 days when they have no symptoms at all, but she did.

This is what happens when they system starts to be over whelmed. They can't handle the load.

 

[butterscotchcollins]

New York's big mistake was telling people not to get tested. Go get tested if you have any symptoms. If you need to be hospitalized three weeks from now, having had access now to the drugs being used might save your life.

Inaccurate - no one was told not to get tested. The near-insurmountable restrictions put in place as to who qualified to get a test hindered efforts to detect and treat likely cases, i.e. if you had severe symptoms but didn’t require immediate hospitalization you didn’t qualify. And that instruction didn’t come from the state level, it came from the federal level.

It’s a moot point. We’re 4 months into this and know WAY more now than we did in March/April. What’re the excuses now to not mandate masks, support robust testing, and proactively tackle this crisis? There shouldn’t be any. Symptoms
or no symptoms I agree, get tested, if you’ve been exposed or traveled to a hot spot self-quarantine (we are, even with antibodies, just in case), and for God’s sake use some common sense.

 

[bavaria]

That was the best benefit from this all I work for a Dutch/French company, and the constant kissing my French colleagues whenever we went to Paris or they came to NL... In NL we never kiss our colleagues (yes, maybe on a birthday or the first day after New Year), the French do it constantly, each day. And the constant struggle as the French do 2 kisses and in NL it's 3! They try to be polite and follow our rules and go for 3 kisses, and we try to do the same and want to go for 2 kisses... Always awkward.
...

Actually in France the 2 vs 3 varies by region, you have to know which region and do your kisses that way Generally the trend for those not aware is no physical contact in the north of Europe, and the further south you go it increases (France of course is west, but counts for physical contact, and I don't think we consider the UK Europe) I'm definitely a southern European in that case now. We were in the far north earlier in the year, and decided that we would implement the Japanese method and bowed to everyone in the room at a meeting .They were quite perplexed until we taught them a 'safe' introduction during a pandemic (Hand shaking is a big deal in some countries, before and after meetings)

But back to our topic of the day, I think not till 5-10 years from now we will be able to tell which country did a good job. We do not know the longterm consequences. We already hear so many stories of people getting mild symptoms, no hospitalization, but do need months to get back to their normal level of energy. Who knows what will be happening in the long run.

Exactly! That is why I keep saying that there is no point for some people to be so smug that their country did well (so far!) It's not a competition but certainly several people from countries with low numbers act as if it is. And who measures a good outcome?

Does New Zealand get to claim a good outcome if they contributed to the poverty and starvation of the Pacific Islands? Does saving your 'own people' get to mean starving others, or hoarding supplies?

We need to think about this globally, and work together to find solutions, I've posted before the impact that closed borders is having on the most vulnerable ie the starvation in Africa and Asia will increase dramatically as a result of our actions. That is why I am so frustrated when posters do not seem to understand that there are no 'winners' and 'losers', just many, many losers during this pandemic.

At least there are signs that many areas of the US have implemented restrictions and rules again. I think of it like remedial summer school, and hopefully that will help to get you all back to good health quickly as the world needs you to be fit and healthy again...

 

[TLSnell1981]

And we will not know how many people have actually been infected.

My great nephew was tested yesterday at 3:15. They got the negative result this morning. I know there are many different situations but it sounds like Florida needs to improve their testing system, which I doubt will happen under the present administration.

It depends on where you are tested and if you have symptoms. Symptomatic patients can be tested in a facility with a 24-48 hour response. Some have an app that offers quicker results. Otherwise the lag time includes waiting on a phone call. The latter can significantly add to the wait time.

 

[kymom99]

It depends on where you are tested and if you have symptoms. Symptomatic patients can be tested in a facility with a 24-48 hour response. Some have an app that offers quicker results. Otherwise the lag time includes waiting on a phone call. The latter can significantly add to the wait time.

He had no symptoms but had been at a park with a classmate whose dad was later positive. The classmate had symptoms after the park day. So his pediatrician ordered a test. They got a phone call less than 24 hours after the test.

 

[kdonnel]

We're not Sweden in many, many ways. What "worked" there, will not work the same here.

Didn't say what worked for Sweden would have worked for the US.

I am saying there is a point where the virus appears to naturally die down, with or without intervention as evidenced by Sweden.

The poster I quoted saw no path for the case numbers to reduce while society remains partially open for business, Sweden is definitely an example of how that happened.

 

[HeatherC]

It depends on where you are tested and if you have symptoms. Symptomatic patients can be tested in a facility with a 24-48 hour response. Some have an app that offers quicker results. Otherwise the lag time includes waiting on a phone call. The latter can significantly add to the wait time.

Even here in Ma where cases have declined and are holding steady there is virtually no where to get an answe in 24-48 hours. The labs are too backed up with too many tests. I highly doubt things are going smoother in FL right now.

 

[our two princesses]

And we will not know how many people have actually been infected.

My great nephew was tested yesterday at 3:15. They got the negative result this morning. I know there are many different situations but it sounds like Florida needs to improve their testing system, which I doubt will happen under the present administration.

Wow! My sister, who lives in Philadelphia, had a test 8 days ago and is still waiting for the results.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Even here in Ma where cases have declined and are holding steady there is virtually no where to get an answe in 24-48 hours. The labs are too backed up with too many tests. I highly doubt things are going smoother in FL right now.

Well it's happening here. Numerous locations allow for anyone to be tested with or without symptoms.

 

[bavaria]

Didn't say what worked for Sweden would have worked for the US.

I am saying there is a point where the virus appears to naturally die down, with or without intervention as evidenced by Sweden.

The poster I quoted saw no path for the case numbers to reduce while society remains partially open for business, Sweden is definitely an example of how that happened.

Well, in 'other Europe', which had more restrictions, definitely it seems to be the case. Germany, Portugal, the Netherlands as examples all seem stuck at the same number of daily cases on a 7 day averages, with deaths virtually almost nothing now. That is also seeming to be the case in other countries in other regions which did do quite a bit of restriction, then opened up, with a plan (contact tracing, testing, local restrictions if required)

For reference, much of Germany opened first week of May ie museums etc, so it's more than two months now and things are going the right way (and travel across countries is happening)

The debate will rage for years if the partial process used in Sweden, and a different partial process used in the UK, was a better strategy.

But it also gives hope that this will also happen in the US eventually. I'm not convinced yet that we will see a resurgence in the fall, and there is varying information about this too.

 

[kymom99]

Wow! My sister, who lives in Philadelphia, had a test 8 days ago and is still waiting for the results.

We live in KY but he was tested at Cincinnati children’s. I suspect some testing sites, such as those in hospitals, may have quicker turnaround time.

 

[TomServo27]

https://apple.news/A4q1U_FPzQ4mb8vP2aGn2bA

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

Inaccurate - no one was told not to get tested. The near-insurmountable restrictions put in place as to who qualified to get a test hindered efforts to detect and treat likely cases, i.e. if you had severe symptoms but didn’t require immediate hospitalization you didn’t qualify. And that instruction didn’t come from the state level, it came from the federal level.

It’s a moot point. We’re 4 months into this and know WAY more now than we did in March/April. What’re the excuses now to not mandate masks, support robust testing, and proactively tackle this crisis? There shouldn’t be any. Symptoms
or no symptoms I agree, get tested, if you’ve been exposed or traveled to a hot spot self-quarantine (we are, even with antibodies, just in case), and for God’s sake use some common sense.

This isn't true. In March we were told to just stay home if we were sick.

 

[our two princesses]

We live in KY but he was tested at Cincinnati children’s. I suspect some testing sites, such as those in hospitals, may have quicker turnaround time.

You’re probably right about that!

 

[butterscotchcollins]

This isn't true. In March we were told to just stay home if we were sick.

Because you didn’t qualify to get the test administered to you unless you were super old or already on a ventilator, not because we were told not to bother or that testing wouldn’t matter.

 

[kdonnel]

https://apple.news/A4q1U_FPzQ4mb8vP2aGn2bA

So assuming 21.48 million Floridians that would mean 3,458,280 have had Coronavirus.

The current known case number is 337,569.

Multiply that by the CDC estimate of 10x (10x as many unknown cases as known cases) and you get 3,375,690.

Awfully close to the 16.1% antibodies number.

CDC guesstimates for the win!

 

[gotomu212]

Didn't say what worked for Sweden would have worked for the US.

I am saying there is a point where the virus appears to naturally die down, with or without intervention as evidenced by Sweden.

The poster I quoted saw no path for the case numbers to reduce while society remains partially open for business, Sweden is definitely an example of how that happened.

I think Sweden is misunderstood. They did take intervention measures when it as clear the virus was out of control, and many self isolated.

I don’t think any country has shown that it will naturally die down yet. Every country that has seen a decrease can attribute it to a shutdown. No country, to my knowledge both has this under control and did not lock down.

 

[bavaria]

I think Sweden is misunderstood. They did take intervention measures when it as clear the virus was out of control, and many self isolated.

I don’t think any country has shown that it will naturally die down yet. Every country that has seen a decrease can attribute it to a shutdown. No country, to my knowledge both has this under control and did not lock down.

Also, when it it not yet tourist season, Stockholm is not very busy. There are not crowds, and people tend to sit apart naturally, and wait for the bus well spaced out in the queue. I was in a lot of places whilst working and a bit on leisure in a few places around the country, so in quite a few museums, restaurants, trains, public transport, gyms, sauna, airport, etc. The busiest was probably the seating areas in the shopping mall (cold outside so people use that to go online and get out of their flats), and a few very popular restaurants we tried in Stockholm. Since no tourists came in the spring, the lack of density in the city centre would have continued to be at that level, or even lower.

People did stop going out much for anything that was open, like non-essential shopping. Secondary schools and university were closed, gatherings were limited, and restaurants had to space out tables. Edited to add that many businesses just closed on their own, and people didn't go to work, so it was a natural progression to self-isolation.

 

[onatrek]

Findings from South Korea related to school openings show younger kids may not be as much of an issue, but older kids (10+) may actually be at least as prone to spreading as adults.

A large new study from South Korea offers an answer: Children younger than 10 transmit to others much less often than adults do, but the risk is not zero. And those between the ages of 10 and 19 can spread the virus at least as well as adults do.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-children-schools.html

 

[cakebaker]

People did stop going out much for anything that was open, like non-essential shopping. Secondary schools and university were closed, gatherings were limited, and restaurants had to space out tables. Edited to add that many businesses just closed on their own, and people didn't go to work, so it was a natural progression to self-isolation.

People in Sweden are much less inclined to be turn this into a political issue. They tend to focus more on the best interest of society than Americans do as well. It a completely different mindset than we have here.