GRAND OPENING - GRAND CLOSING (Florida)

[sam_gordon]

Tried, tested and failed in Florida. Young people infect old people.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1285123245583171586

How does this prove "young people infect old people"? Unless you've done tracing, you don't know where (or from whom) anyone has gotten it.

 

[cakebaker]

How does this prove "young people infect old people"? Unless you've done tracing, you don't know where (or from whom) anyone has gotten it.

Do you actually think younger people can't infect older people? Spread has nothing to do with age. Children spread the disease just like anyone else does. Very young children seem to be less susceptible to catching the virus ( although with schools being closed and their limited exposure, even that isn't a sure thing) and that accounts for them spreading it less. Older children are a different story even now. I posted this study earlier, but here it is again. But as for young adults, they are absolutely just as likely to spread as anyone else.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-children-schools.html

 

[anthony2k7]

How does this prove "young people infect old people"? Unless you've done tracing, you don't know where (or from whom) anyone has gotten it.

OK fair enough. Without track and trace the proof where anyone gets it isnt there and we know Florida is next to useless on this.

What it does show is that younger people started the spike and very shortly after all other age groups spiked as well. Did each age group have their own mass gatherings to cause their own age group spike? Seems unlikely.

 

[sam_gordon]

Do you actually think younger people can't infect older people? Spread has nothing to do with age. Children spread the disease just like anyone else does. Very young children seem to be less susceptible to catching the virus ( although with schools being closed and their limited exposure, even that isn't a sure thing) and that accounts for them spreading it less. Older children are a different story even now. I posted this study earlier, but here it is again. But as for young adults, they are absolutely just as likely to spread as anyone else.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-children-schools.html

I didn't say young people can't infect older people. I just don't think PP's "proof" shows that.

OK fair enough. Without track and trace the proof where anyone gets it isnt there and we know Florida is next to useless on this.

What it does show is that younger people started the spike and very shortly after all other age groups spiked as well. Did each age group have their own mass gatherings to cause their own age group spike? Seems unlikely.

umm.. ok.

 

[GreatLakes]

Honest question: If this is the case why don’t you just simply shut the doors and go completely to a on-line/remote model of service?

There is no real need for anybody to ever come to our offices as our transactions can all take place by phone/e-mail or at other locations and our services are delivered in the field. Although our operations have never shut down (we are an essential service) we have not allowed one single non-employee of any kind inside our building since March 31.

We would if we could but we have to be physically open to meet regulatory requirements.

 

[KBoopaloo]

173 deaths in Florida reported today which I think breaks their previous record which was around 150.

New cases back up above 10,000 at 10,239 (9732 yesterday) and percent positive for new cases back up to 12.31% (10.54% yesterday).

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/state_reports_latest.pdf

 

[Pyotr]

I can't imagine being pleased to see so many people getting infected and spreading the disease with the deaths that would cause.

Stopping them from getting infected at all seems preferable to me. That's like saying there's a bright side to being dead- you don't have to pay taxes anymore. Fewer young people die, but they infect others who die at a much higher rate and they can face life long disabilities. Stopping them from getting infected at all seems preferable to me. That's like saying there's a bright side to being dead- you don't have to pay taxes anymore. So no, there is no bright side.

Essential workers and their issue has nothing to do with this point.

For Pete’s sake, I’m not advocating for people to go out and get infected. I’m simply stating that there have been a lot of youth already infected with COVID. Maybe it will have an affect like that doctor theorizes.

 

[cakebaker]

173 deaths in Florida reported today which I think breaks their previous record which was around 150.

New cases back up above 10,000 at 10,239 (9732 yesterday) and percent positive for new cases back up to 12.31% (10.54% yesterday).

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/state_reports_latest.pdf

And they didn't test a particularly large amount, around 94k which is why the pop jumped so much. I'm afraid Florida is nowhere near a plateau.

 

[anthony2k7]

173 deaths in Florida reported today which I think breaks their previous record which was around 150.

New cases back up above 10,000 at 10,239 (9732 yesterday) and percent positive for new cases back up to 12.31% (10.54% yesterday).

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/state_reports_latest.pdf

Death numbers still seem unrealistic compared to other states deaths/cases numbers. Arizona for example 2300 cases but 89 deaths.

Either Florida hospitals are doing a remarkably good job, or their death numbers are massively understated.

 

[anthony2k7]

And they didn't test a particularly large amount, around 94k which is why the pop jumped so much. I'm afraid Florida is nowhere near a plateau.

I'm afraid Florida numbers are nowhere near the current real situation either.

 

[montreid]

You won't hit a testing plateau (if testing is readily available) until 2 weeks after improved distancing/masking compliance is met. -- We're getting better, but still not enough to impact the high rate of community spread (and subsequent household spread)

We won't see hospitalization admission for 2 weeks after that.
We won't see death numbers improvement 2-4 weeks after hospitalization numbers --- so we are not close on peak of these latter two unfortunately for my colleagues at JMH and other hospitals.

Like any 5 alarm fire, it's going to take a massive response to contain, let alone management and afteraction.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Death numbers still seem unrealistic compared to other states deaths/cases numbers. Arizona for example 2300 cases but 89 deaths.

Either Florida hospitals are doing a remarkably good job, or their death numbers are massively understated.

Or maybe the virus is weakening.

 

[TLSnell1981]

You won't hit a testing plateau (if testing is readily available) until 2 weeks after improved distancing/masking compliance is met. -- We're getting better, but still not enough to impact the high rate of community spread (and subsequent household spread)

We won't see hospitalization admission for 2 weeks after that.
We won't see death numbers improvement 2-4 weeks after hospitalization numbers --- so we are not close on peak of these latter two unfortunately for my colleagues at JMH and other hospitals.

Like any 5 alarm fire, it's going to take a massive response to contain, let alone management and afteraction.

SARS-CoV-2 will likely be with us for quite a while with no guarantee of a vaccine or immunity. It will spread once we resume life. How long should we shelter in place?

 

[billlaurie]

Death numbers still seem unrealistic compared to other states deaths/cases numbers. Arizona for example 2300 cases but 89 deaths.

Either Florida hospitals are doing a remarkably good job, or their death numbers are massively understated.

Also could be the population. I don't know the demographics of the deaths, but could be more younger people getting it in Florida. FL and AZ are both popular for retirees but maybe FL has more young people?

 

[kymom99]

SARS-CoV-2 will likely be with us for quite a while with no guarantee of a vaccine or immunity. It will spread once we resume life. How long should we shelter in place?

Who is sheltering in place??

 

[Lumpy1106]

Also could be the population. I don't know the demographics of the deaths, but could be more younger people getting it in Florida. FL and AZ are both popular for retirees but maybe FL has more young people?

I think the people getting it in FL has certainly skewed lower. That has happened where I live too. I think I saw the average age in FL is around 39. Where I live it is 33. The good news is fewer deaths. The bad news is the metric they have set for restrictions in CA does not account for age. It feels like we are never going back to normal with all the younger people having house parties in Los Angeles County right now. Same goes to a much greater extent in places like Miami. Sad to say and I don't wish this at all, but that might really be different if the death rates were the same across age groups.

 

[Pyotr]

Or maybe the virus is weakening.

Or better treatments?

 

[TLSnell1981]

Who is sheltering in place??

My question was directed towards the comment below. I hear from some that shuttering businesses and stayIng at home or shelterIng in place is the only way to contain the virus. Personally I don't believe that is realistic because SARS-CoV-2 will probably be with us for more than a bit.

"Like any 5 alarm fire, it's going to take a massive response to contain, let alone management and afteraction."

 

[TLSnell1981]

Or better treatments?

Both?

I think the people getting it in FL has certainly skewed lower. That has happened where I live too. I think I saw the average age in FL is around 39. Where I live it is 33. The good news is fewer deaths. The bad news is the metric they have set for restrictions in CA does not account for age. It feels like we are never going back to normal with all the younger people having house parties in Los Angeles County right now. Same goes to a much greater extent in places like Miami. Sad to say and I don't wish this at all, but that might really be different if the death rates were the same across age groups.

The fact that people without risk factors are NOT dying is GREAT news. I know ..this isn't the flu but those with underlying medical conditions can succumb to complications from influenza too. Those deaths aren't highlighted on 24 hour news cycles so they mostly go unnoticed.

 

[Jrb1979]

SARS-CoV-2 will likely be with us for quite a while with no guarantee of a vaccine or immunity. It will spread once we resume life. How long should we shelter in place?

No one is saying to shelter in place any more. At the same time Florida needs to put in better measures to help bring the numbers down. Make masks mandatory and fine businesses and people for not complying. Instead it feels many have no interest in doing that as it infringes on their freedom.