Good/Bad Internet and eBay Pin Sellers

[pixiewings71]

Thanks, I bought from thewill and now just have to get the pins - am excited. Is there a way to tell if you are being shilled beside just maybe looking out for a certain ID?

Not that I know of, I really don't think he's shill bidding but that's just my opinion.

Automatic bidding is irrelevant. If he was purchasing the pins that would be fine if he was auto bidding... the point is...whenever U**D wins he never pays because it is ALWAYS offered as a second chance offer in 24 hours... I am sorry but I have sold on ebay... it takes more than a day for a seller to know that someone isn't going to pay for an item in order to even know you are going to offer a second chance offer. and if U**D is screwing thewill over and over and over again... He would of been blocked...it's not like this has been taking place over a couple days...this has been going on for WEEKS since it was figured out.
If he has friends and relatives bidding for him that is still schill bidding...
I am not saying to not buy from him... My point is he shouldn't be in the green... yes his pins are legit... But he is not honest.

How do you know he's not honest? How do you know he's shill bidding? You don't....I've purchased a LOT of pins from him, some as second chance offers but not all. I wouldn't assume he's shill bidding at all. A lot of sellers have multiple pins available so they offer them as second chance offers, it happens to me all the time.....and no I don't always buy them.

He could offer the pin to someone else...if he had extras yes... However thats very unlikely and that is also against ebay rules...

It is not against ebays rules to offer someone a second chance, in the message from ebay it will say "the seller may have had more then one item available, the original buyer may have backed out", it's absolutely legit to offer second chance offers.

I say its unlikely that for the fact that he is upping his OWN bids.... not that he doesnt have duplicate pins of course he probably does...
this is the most abusrd convo on... You all defend him to the end I don't care... Buy from him whatever... U guys wanted a list of honest and dishonest sellers... I am out on this convo....this board is ridiculous sometimes...
As far as the duplicate items... If you look further into your quoted ebay terms... you will see that Sellers with stores...are supposed to List how many quantity of an item they have if they are going to do it that way... Ebay wants their money... nothing is free... for the seller...and ebay would lose money this way by the buyer not having to pay all the fees on the item, not being listed properly..
Anyway I am out... I was looking for pins... I got my pins from the will they are legit... anyone who wants to buy from him go ahead.. .I too will still buy from him.. But I am not an idiot and I see whats going on...
See ya people...live in ur lala nieve worlds! OUT

I think you may be over reacting a little bit......Ok maybe a lot. Really?

I don't blame her, been there done that.

me too block, I've been there and done that and now I just enter a max bid and leave it at that, I don't check back until the next day to see what I won.

 

[blockscrappers]

I'll tell ya, if I could find a legit supplier that would sell guaranteed non-scrapper pin at a low enough price I'd consider starting my own store.

 

[iheartdisney]

Just wanted to voice my ebay experience. A few years back, I tried one of the skin care sales companies and it didn't work out, so I used ebay to try and get back some of the money I invested. I would regularly send second chance offers out when I had more than one of something. ebay still collects the final value fee when you do a second chance offer, so they aren't doing anything for free. What ebay frowns upon is sending a private email or message to a second chance buyer- trying to make a second chance offer behind ebay's back, cutting them out of their fee.
I have bought from the thewill, and he is a great ebay seller! One time in particular, I was bidding on a few pins, and one was alot later closing date than the rest. He sent me a message first, asking why I hadn't paid, before he left me feedback or put a deadbeat bidder alert (whatever ebay calls those) and was totally. Most sellers will give you the strike and ask questions later.

 

[iheartdisney]

Just wanted to voice my ebay experience. A few years back, I tried one of the skin care sales companies and it didn't work out, so I used ebay to try and get back some of the money I invested. I would regularly send second chance offers out when I had more than one of something. ebay still collects the final value fee when you do a second chance offer, so they aren't doing anything for free. What ebay frowns upon is sending a private email or message to a second chance buyer- trying to make a second chance offer behind ebay's back, cutting them out of their fee.
I have bought from the thewill, and he is a great ebay seller! One time in particular, I was bidding on a few pins, and one was alot later closing date than the rest. He sent me a message first, asking why I hadn't paid, before he left me feedback or put a deadbeat bidder alert (whatever ebay calls those) and was totally. Most sellers will give you the strike and ask questions later.

ETA: ebay is on top of shill bidders too. My FIL got both his and my husband's account closed forever by shill bidding, and he only did it twice.

 

[aliannasmom]

I recently purchased some pins from seller theatreandfilms and all the pins that were sent were 100% scrappers, poor off color remakes of cast lanyard pins. Contacting seller to see what he will do about it.

i have purchased 2 lots from this person and all of mine were fine. Fully tradeable and my DD had a fantastic time trading them at Disney last week.

 

[DiskneeFan]

A few of my own thoughts on pin trading:

First: Do not buy a rack pin that you have just paid up to $10.00 or more for and then trade it with a CM. You bought the pin because you liked it, why trade it.

2. The only way to be 100% sure you have authentic pins is to buy them through Disney. If you are at the parks, start with the cutie packs that cost around $4.00 each. Have fun trading, trade for what you like, scrapper or not (unless you are a hard core pin collector, which I'm sure you arent trading with CMs anyway) I'm sure you will be happy with what you get.

3. I have personally purchased large lots from E-bay and taken those to WDW to trade. I had a blast, the kids had a blast. Were the pins I took scrappers? I dont know. Were the pins I got from CMs scrappers? I have no clue. Am I happy with what I got? 100% YES!!!

For the average person visiting the world, trading is just a part of a fun experience. It certaintly isnt the WHOLE experience. I am no way condoning scrappers, just have fun and try not to worry too much.

 

[blockscrappers]

A few of my own thoughts on pin trading:

First: Do not buy a rack pin that you have just paid up to $10.00 or more for and then trade it with a CM. You bought the pin because you liked it, why trade it.

2. The only way to be 100% sure you have authentic pins is to buy them through Disney. If you are at the parks, start with the cutie packs that cost around $4.00 each. Have fun trading, trade for what you like, scrapper or not (unless you are a hard core pin collector, which I'm sure you arent trading with CMs anyway) I'm sure you will be happy with what you get.

3. I have personally purchased large lots from E-bay and taken those to WDW to trade. I had a blast, the kids had a blast. Were the pins I took scrappers? I dont know. Were the pins I got from CMs scrappers? I have no clue. Am I happy with what I got? 100% YES!!!

For the average person visiting the world, trading is just a part of a fun experience. It certaintly isnt the WHOLE experience. I am no way condoning scrappers, just have fun and try not to worry too much.

I agree with the part you said about rack pins, they are high only buy them if you don't intend to trade them with CMs or want them for your own collection. I'm glad that you had a blast trading pins - I certainly do. I'm going to have my 4 year old try for the first time this coming May - that's the reason I urge people to buy from reputable dealers, I want to preserve the experience for him. Scrappers are acting illegally and they know it.
Besides a lot of times you can get the pins for a little over $2 from the green list sellers. Honestly I think Ebay and Disney need to crack down and close down the scrappers on a consistent basis. Like you said I want to enjoy the experience and not have to worry about getting scrappers from a CM beside it would make me feel bad if I traded to a CM who then traded the worthless pin to another person. If we stick together in enough numbers we can make a difference - have a great day!

 

[blockscrappers]

Not that I know of, I really don't think he's shill bidding but that's just my opinion.



How do you know he's not honest? How do you know he's shill bidding? You don't....I've purchased a LOT of pins from him, some as second chance offers but not all. I wouldn't assume he's shill bidding at all. A lot of sellers have multiple pins available so they offer them as second chance offers, it happens to me all the time.....and no I don't always buy them.



It is not against ebays rules to offer someone a second chance, in the message from ebay it will say "the seller may have had more then one item available, the original buyer may have backed out", it's absolutely legit to offer second chance offers.



I think you may be over reacting a little bit......Ok maybe a lot. Really?



me too block, I've been there and done that and now I just enter a max bid and leave it at that, I don't check back until the next day to see what I won.

Say, Pix
need some encouragement here. Trying to get people to understand the issue, sometimes is hard.....
Tell me that we can make a difference.

 

[blockscrappers]

Just for the record, the very first time I bought pins on ebay I bought them from Shells7pak. SHE is the ONE who started me on my anti-scrapper nightmare

DEFINITELY add her to the "naughty list"

Thanks for doing this, I think it's a great resource!!

Hello, I have read many of your posts and I guess they inspired me to go on a rant also due to a recent bad experience. I wanted to thank you for your very informative posts. I would like to know if by informing people about this issue am I helping? Is there a way that we can make ebay and Disney take a harder stance. Thanks!

 

[webbmom]

You all are making a differance. I feel educated now. We just started pin trading last month. I came here before I went to ebay to get more pins for our next trick. Thanks.

 

[DiskneeFan]

You all are making a differance. I feel educated now. We just started pin trading last month. I came here before I went to ebay to get more pins for our next trick. Thanks.

I hope you meant trip

 

[blockscrappers]

You all are making a differance. I feel educated now. We just started pin trading last month. I came here before I went to ebay to get more pins for our next trick. Thanks.

That's feedback is definitely appreciated. Maybe, if we all spread the word we can put a dent in the army of scrappers and make trading an even more fun experience. Have a great trip!

 

[webbmom]

I hope you meant trip

oops yes, I ment trip.

 

[angierae]

I have to wonder, though - if Disney is upset about the scrappers, why do they continue to be complicit in it by allowing CM trades? If they were upset about this/losing money/feeling cheated/etc, wouldn't they just stop the CM trading so there'd be less of it going on, and less of a market for the scrapper pins?

It just seems to me that Disney could fix most of this by just saying "hey, nice job, you ruined it." Or at least making the CM's only give out good pins, and once they are gone, they are gone. (Then the CM's could pocket their pins they get from people, and then they could be sorted somehow and the scrappers destroyed.) But they don't, they just trade the scrappers back out there as if they don't care about it at all.

Now, I won't willingly trade scrappers, but it seems to me if Disney isn't doing anything about it, then why all the onus on individuals to worry about it?

 

[blockscrappers]

I have to wonder, though - if Disney is upset about the scrappers, why do they continue to be complicit in it by allowing CM trades? If they were upset about this/losing money/feeling cheated/etc, wouldn't they just stop the CM trading so there'd be less of it going on, and less of a market for the scrapper pins?

It just seems to me that Disney could fix most of this by just saying "hey, nice job, you ruined it." Or at least making the CM's only give out good pins, and once they are gone, they are gone. (Then the CM's could pocket their pins they get from people, and then they could be sorted somehow and the scrappers destroyed.) But they don't, they just trade the scrappers back out there as if they don't care about it at all.

Now, I won't willingly trade scrappers, but it seems to me if Disney isn't doing anything about it, then why all the onus on individuals to worry about it?

I feel responsible in that I don't want to contribute by buying from scrappers and thus making them want to sell even more. I also feel that if i ensure that I purchase good pins and trade them with CMs then at least there will be good pins in circulation if you will. According to Lionqueen she has had battles with DIsney legal and they have auctually closed some of the larger scrappers down. I see your point about Disney making sure that CMs get rid of bad pins. I think if enough of us speak out about this issue to both Disney and Ebay maybe they will do something about it. I'm glad to hear that you wouldn't knowingly trade scrappers it shows intregrity.

 

[blockscrappers]

Sorry correct that is thelionqueen.

 

[pixiewings71]

Say, Pix
need some encouragement here. Trying to get people to understand the issue, sometimes is hard.....
Tell me that we can make a difference.

Well I'd like to think that this thread has made a difference in some way......it's hard to say but I believe in this so I'll keep posting.

I have to wonder, though - if Disney is upset about the scrappers, why do they continue to be complicit in it by allowing CM trades? If they were upset about this/losing money/feeling cheated/etc, wouldn't they just stop the CM trading so there'd be less of it going on, and less of a market for the scrapper pins?

It just seems to me that Disney could fix most of this by just saying "hey, nice job, you ruined it." Or at least making the CM's only give out good pins, and once they are gone, they are gone. (Then the CM's could pocket their pins they get from people, and then they could be sorted somehow and the scrappers destroyed.) But they don't, they just trade the scrappers back out there as if they don't care about it at all.

Now, I won't willingly trade scrappers, but it seems to me if Disney isn't doing anything about it, then why all the onus on individuals to worry about it?

I agree with you, they should be doing something about it but it's really hard. Scrappers are sooooooooo prevalent that it's almost impossible. I for one, would LOVE to work for Disney sorting thru good/bad pins. I think that would be a fun job for someone like me, I love pins, heck they could mail them to me and I'd do it at home on my own time! LOL

I feel responsible in that I don't want to contribute by buying from scrappers and thus making them want to sell even more. I also feel that if i ensure that I purchase good pins and trade them with CMs then at least there will be good pins in circulation if you will. According to Lionqueen she has had battles with DIsney legal and they have auctually closed some of the larger scrappers down. I see your point about Disney making sure that CMs get rid of bad pins. I think if enough of us speak out about this issue to both Disney and Ebay maybe they will do something about it. I'm glad to hear that you wouldn't knowingly trade scrappers it shows intregrity.

 

[Spiffie]

I agree with you, they should be doing something about it but it's really hard. Scrappers are sooooooooo prevalent that it's almost impossible. I for one, would LOVE to work for Disney sorting thru good/bad pins. I think that would be a fun job for someone like me, I love pins, heck they could mail them to me and I'd do it at home on my own time! LOL

Well, unfortunately, I think some of the issue is that scrappers are becoming better and better looking. They are not always easy to spot right off and some CM don't collect pins themselves, so they don't really know what to look for to begin with.

I have a return in progress at the moment with an eBayer who sold me 40 counterfit pins. I looked them over and over and maybe 6 of them were genuine pins, but the giveaway? The backs, while shaped like Mickey heads, were very flimsy and none said Disney on the back. I could almost roll them into a little ball between my fingers. While he assured me that they were all traded for and received at the parks, they were all - everyone of them - on the scrapper lists! So, he agreed to give me my money back and once he has done so, I will post his name for a warning. He had 100% positive feedback, too.

 

[Broncobilly83]

I need help. I recently won a bunch of pins from the same seller who we are getting our cake topper from (Lenox Cinderella's Castle). I received the pins this morning, and 2 of the 6 pins (all of these are Imagineer Badges) came on card backs and 4 of them came in the little plastic baggies known for Scrappers. With that in mind, this is one of the 4 that I got without a card back

http://pinpics.com/cgi-bin/pin.cgi?pin=73509

It looks perfect, but that baggie throws doubt on the items. Should I be concerned, as he seems to only have 4 or 5 of each pin he is selling, so if it was a scrapper, would he not have 10s or 100s of them?

For those wondering, the seller is sellandship, which is an outlet site out of Windermere

 

[blockscrappers]

Well, unfortunately, I think some of the issue is that scrappers are becoming better and better looking. They are not always easy to spot right off and some CM don't collect pins themselves, so they don't really know what to look for to begin with.

I have a return in progress at the moment with an eBayer who sold me 40 counterfit pins. I looked them over and over and maybe 6 of them were genuine pins, but the giveaway? The backs, while shaped like Mickey heads, were very flimsy and none said Disney on the back. I could almost roll them into a little ball between my fingers. While he assured me that they were all traded for and received at the parks, they were all - everyone of them - on the scrapper lists! So, he agreed to give me my money back and once he has done so, I will post his name for a warning. He had 100% positive feedback, too.

I know what you mean about the positive feedback but as I've learned from the experts here it doesn't mean a whole lot because some of the people that buys pins from them can't tell the difference and some just don't care as long as they are "tradable", cheap and are shipped to them fast. I applaude your stance it is people like you who will make it better for everyone including me. Thank you!