Good/Bad Internet and eBay Pin Sellers

[MountNittany]

Are you guys serious? Do you think nannub is a guy? LOL its a woman number one! Number 2 you dont like their pins thats great but its out right slander to say all their pins are fake or knock offs. If you go through disney world right now all you see is crap pins... sellers from all over the country are slinging crappy pins. You follow their screen names with changes? Are you this lowly! I really dont care what you think about me but I atleast think the truth should come out. Nannub hasnt even traded pins since october. I know this because i have talked to her and she is getting out of her collection.... You need to relax because each and everyone of you knows that they buy cheap [pins. I do! I know that nannub supports over 50 sellers on ebay and the funny part is 13 of the green listed are her customers.

I'm sorry that you don't like it, but I try to buy pins that are legit and from sellers with ethical practices. Thanks.

You obviously didn't read everything we said about nannub....and I've PURCHASED from this seller previously...so yes, I'm pretty sure I know about this seller from MY OWN EXPERIENCE. All I've ever posted is MY OWN EXPERIENCE......that's all any of us are posting.
No one is slandering anyone, we are simply giving feedback on OUR EXPERIENCES, that's all. And yes, if we notice a s/n change we post it, why is it bad to protect ourselves and our hard earned money?

this thread has seriously taken some of the fun out of pin trading for me. How do I know now that the pin I paid $5,$6,or$7 from WDW is is not being traded for a 2 cent scrapper off a CM's lanyard?

It took the fun a bit away from me too... but I try not to worry about it when I go down to Disney. Have I traded away scrappers knowingly? Yes, of course. Before I knew about eBay scrappers, I bought pins from a seller named Bibbity Bobbity Botique who was quite a piece of work, insulting me and blocking me because I knew that her pins were scrappers. I ended up giving some to my sister to keep and buying a few legit pins from mubunny. I still traded the BBB scrappers, but now I will try to only trade legit pins. I'd rather not clog the system even more with scrappers, but I still want to have fun trading pins and not worrying about the illegal pins.

I thought you might be interested in a personal experience I recently had on ebay. A month or two ago I asked this board who they would recommend for Disney trader pin for my grandkids. I have a 5 year old granddaughter and a 7 year old grandson from my oldest boy. They were planning a trip to Disneyland and I thought I would surprise them with a gift from nana. That is what they call me. They are so cute.

I was referred to the sellers in green on the first page of this board. I ended up bidding on several lots from parrotsandpins. This seller was not listed, but the pins pictured looked like Disney pins and the prices were affordable for someone who is on social security.

I ended up winning a lot of 100 pins for around $55. Being a novice on ebay, I had trouble figuring out how to pay for the items and sent the seller several notes to that effect. I finally ask my son to help me and we paid for the pins four days after I won them.

A day or two later, I sent the following note to the seller: “Have you shipped these items yet? If not, please ship tomorrow. I need these for my grandkids and they are going to Disneyland on Tuesday.” This was his reply, and I quote: “you took 4 days to pay. we ship within 3 business days after payment is clear. maybe you should have paid sooner. if you have a problem i would be happy to refund your money for all your items. let me know”

I sent a note back to please ship the pins and then also paid for the two other items I had won. Later that day I noticed that parrotsandpins had refunded all my payments. I sent a note asking why and this is the reply received “we are not dealing with you”.

He provided no explanation and ignored my other emails. I have never been so offended in my life. Naturally I left him negative feedback. He replied to my feedback saying that I had several items that I had not paid for and called me a deadbeat.

I think he was referring to the one lot of 100 pins I won earlier but never paid for. I bid on a lot of pins and won while I was hospitalized from a fall I had (I am 83 years old). I was not released until after the seller filed and closed a nonpayment claim on me. I did not even know I won the lot until after the claim was closed.

Then I come to find out that parrotsandpins is nannub by reading the postings on this board, a seller who does not seem to be well respected by most. anotherpinforme, you may defend her, but after my experience, nannub is not a very nice person. She is nasty and vindictive. I was very surprised to find out she is a she. I cannot imagine a lady being so mean and rude to people.

Anyway, I am glad that so many are trying to help those of us who do not know about the sellers on eBay. Thank you all. I personally will never again bid on anything that nanub or parrotsandpins has for sale. I will definitely only buy in the future from those who are recommended.

I do have one question that maybe the members of this board can help me with. I won another item from parrotsandpins that I had bid on before this fiasco but ended on Monday. I am worried that if I pay for the item she will just keep my money and not ship the item. I cannot afford to throw money away. What should I do?

Sorry about my late response. I hope that it worked out for you. You can always report a non-shipping seller and get a full refund. Plus, I hate when sellers change their names like that, like Bibbity Bobbity Botique.

After my experience with nannub (now known as parrotsandpins) and seeing the last negative comment on nannub's page that reads "Use common sense, can anyone have real pins in lots of 200+, the pins are fake." (parrotsandpins states this will be removed as buyer never paid for the pin), I asked my son to look into this whole thing. Nannub or parrotsandpins as she is now called also claims their pins are traded for. I will now turn this over to my son as I am still trying to understand this:

Consider this. On 4/14 parrotsandpins sold 10 100 pin lots and 12 200 pin lots which equals 3,400. From what I can tell, nannub selles about this many pins each and every day.

If 2 people were trading pins at the parks, and they traded 1 pin each minute, they would need to trade for 28 hours to accumulate 3,400 pins. Quite a task as this is 4 hours more than exists in each day. Even if you assume they have 4 people trading for pins, that requires 14 hours from each trader to accumulate that many pins. This does not even take into consideration that they would need about 3,400 pins to start with to trade for 3,400 pins as it is a pin for pin trade with cast members.

To further this analysis using a conservative estimate that she sells this many pins 50% of the year insead of each and every day, or about only 180 days each year, they would need to acquire 604,800 pins for sale. This is an unbeliveable number of pins to trade for in one year.

This poses some interesting questions for parrotsandpins and places her claim that all pins were traded for in doubt.

So if she is not trading for the pins, where can one purchase pins that you can sell for between $0.55 and $0.79 per pin and still make a profit after paying all the ebay and paypal fees? She would have to purchase these pins at $0.20 to $0.40 per pin to make any profit. Where can one buy pins for about $0.40 each or less? I would suspect they would almost have to be contracting with manufacters to produce this quantity of Disney pins. The only way this would be legal, I think, is they would need to have a license from Disney to produce these pins or they are unlicensed and unauthorized pins. Just something to think about before you purchase these pins.

Great logic!

O.K. I am spreading the word - I have started a tread on Passporter a big DVC community to educate unknowing people. Maybe we can get something huge going.

Thanks, hopefully nothing huge, but something so that people can try to reduce the scrapper count on lanyards.

A few of my own thoughts on pin trading:

First: Do not buy a rack pin that you have just paid up to $10.00 or more for and then trade it with a CM. You bought the pin because you liked it, why trade it.

2. The only way to be 100% sure you have authentic pins is to buy them through Disney. If you are at the parks, start with the cutie packs that cost around $4.00 each. Have fun trading, trade for what you like, scrapper or not (unless you are a hard core pin collector, which I'm sure you arent trading with CMs anyway) I'm sure you will be happy with what you get.

3. I have personally purchased large lots from E-bay and taken those to WDW to trade. I had a blast, the kids had a blast. Were the pins I took scrappers? I dont know. Were the pins I got from CMs scrappers? I have no clue. Am I happy with what I got? 100% YES!!!

For the average person visiting the world, trading is just a part of a fun experience. It certaintly isnt the WHOLE experience. I am no way condoning scrappers, just have fun and try not to worry too much.

update in a minute, sorry about the delay, life just gets in the way

and a side note... scrappers are looking much better now! I am positive that a few i recently bought are scrappers because of the backstamp, but the official logo looks nearly the same as the legit ones now!

 

[asianway]

I'm sorry that you don't like it, but I try to buy pins that are legit and from sellers with ethical practices. Thanks.

Nannub is the reason there is no more pin trading at DTD - way to go. Apparently the wife is the brains behind the operation then, but it is an entire family.

 

[surfergirl602]

Nannub is the reason there is no more pin trading at DTD - way to go. Apparently the wife is the brains behind the operation then, but it is an entire family.

wait... what?!? Do tell. We can't trade with CM's at DTD anymore?

 

[asianway]

Yes, you can still trade with CMs, they removed the tables so that sharks can no longer prey upon unsuspecting tourists.

 

[KimberlyJ]

I'm sorry if this is a repeat, but does anyone know if lauritadelmar is a good/bad seller?

 

[txaggie94gigem]

so as a newbie to pin trading i hae been reading some of this thread to find out about buying pins to take with me on ebay...

some sellers sell scrappers for less than $1 per pin but some of your legit sellers are selling their pins for $0.01 too and with combined shipping they could be as low as $0.51 each for pins marked with the official trading pin logo and on card backs....so how are the legit sellers getting pins so cheap when they are at least $7 in the parks?

 

[Broncobilly83]

Nannub is the reason there is no more pin trading at DTD - way to go. Apparently the wife is the brains behind the operation then, but it is an entire family.

Just curious, but is because of Nannub specifically or people like him/her? I ask since I ran into a couple of "Sharks" at the Epcot tables in December, but even as a newbie, I still knew enough thanks to this forum, plus I have been doing Transformers for 12+ years, both selling and buying, so I know how some overzealous people act; but I am assuming those tables are still there so what is the difference if the "Shark" preys at DTD, Epcot, or anywhere else on property?

 

[blockscrappers]

Are you guys serious? Do you think nannub is a guy? LOL its a woman number one! Number 2 you dont like their pins thats great but its out right slander to say all their pins are fake or knock offs. If you go through disney world right now all you see is crap pins... sellers from all over the country are slinging crappy pins. You follow their screen names with changes? Are you this lowly! I really dont care what you think about me but I atleast think the truth should come out. Nannub hasnt even traded pins since october. I know this because i have talked to her and she is getting out of her collection.... You need to relax because each and everyone of you knows that they buy cheap [pins. I do! I know that nannub supports over 50 sellers on ebay and the funny part is 13 of the green listed are her customers.

They know exactly what they are doing is wrong. It is illegal and copyright enfringement. So why you strongly defend somone who may be doing it - who knows?
Besides how can you argue with someone who has bought their product???
I don't blame a person for wanting to buy cheaper pins to trade in the parks 6 - 7 bucks a pop is high but for me I will not knowingly buy pins that I know are knockoffs to have them traded to some unknowing person especially a kid, so if your conscience doesn't bother you then that's for you to decide.

 

[blockscrappers]

I'm sorry if this is a repeat, but does anyone know if lauritadelmar is a good/bad seller?

Personally I have not bought from that seller. They are not on the good or bad list. I do know that they list a lot of pin lots which makes them suspicious in my opinion. However, I do not want to make a snap judgment I would just use extreme caution checking here is a good decision.

 

[KimberlyJ]

Personally I have not bought from that seller. They are not on the good or bad list. I do know that they list a lot of pin lots which makes them suspicious in my opinion. However, I do not want to make a snap judgment I would just use extreme caution checking here is a good decision.

Well, I bought a lot of 20 pins for 15 bucks, she has 100% positive feedback, she does free shipping, she answered my shipping question within about 3 minutes, and she shipped my order about 20 minutes after I paid...so, so far, so good. I will let you all know when the pins come how they are. If they're bad, at least it was just 15 bucks and then everyone here will know about it. I might need y'all's help though to find out if they are authentic - I've never even seen a pin in my life!

 

[blockscrappers]

Well, I bought a lot of 20 pins for 15 bucks, she has 100% positive feedback, she does free shipping, she answered my shipping question within about 3 minutes, and she shipped my order about 20 minutes after I paid...so, so far, so good. I will let you all know when the pins come how they are. If they're bad, at least it was just 15 bucks and then everyone here will know about it. I might need y'all's help though to find out if they are authentic - I've never even seen a pin in my life!

This might sound strange but when you open your package check to see if it smells oilly the scrappers we received did also check quality closely - do they look cheap - discolored, severly damaged, etc. Check on pinpics to see if the ones you receive are the ones listed as known scrappers. Also be leary if you receive low le pins such as LE 300, 500 (look on back of pin) that means for example that only 300 of such a pin were produced etc. Not trying to preach just help, please definitely post results the good list lot sellers are kind of slim. Good Luck!

 

[blockscrappers]

so as a newbie to pin trading i hae been reading some of this thread to find out about buying pins to take with me on ebay...

some sellers sell scrappers for less than $1 per pin but some of your legit sellers are selling their pins for $0.01 too and with combined shipping they could be as low as $0.51 each for pins marked with the official trading pin logo and on card backs....so how are the legit sellers getting pins so cheap when they are at least $7 in the parks?

You know that is good question. I would suspect that they legally buy in mass from one of the outlet malls or trade in mass at the parks? I personally would ask pixiewings71 she has good advice and is very knowledgible.

 

[Broncobilly83]

so as a newbie to pin trading i hae been reading some of this thread to find out about buying pins to take with me on ebay...

some sellers sell scrappers for less than $1 per pin but some of your legit sellers are selling their pins for $0.01 too and with combined shipping they could be as low as $0.51 each for pins marked with the official trading pin logo and on card backs....so how are the legit sellers getting pins so cheap when they are at least $7 in the parks?

While not as knowledgeable as Pixie, are the legit sellers selling them for under a $1 or starting auctions at under a $1? I ask because there is a big difference in E-Bay fees if you do a fixed price listing for $1 ($.25) and an auction that starts under $1 (FREE).

Legit sellers may be doing those to avoid starting fees on E-Bay and let the chips fall where they may, figuring they already have the product, might as well get what they can for it, instead of just sitting on it.

 

[Broncobilly83]

New Seller on the block: luislovendio

No feedbacks yet, based out of Kissimmee, FL. Anyone looking at any of theirs?

 

[KCMiller]

Nannub is the reason there is no more pin trading at DTD - way to go. Apparently the wife is the brains behind the operation then, but it is an entire family.

I'm actually glad there's no more tables - the whole thing looked shady, and really not very Disney like. Seriously, the last time I was there I expected one of the 'dealers' to offer to play me three card monte.

KC

 

[PhantomVirus]

HAPPYHAPPYJOYJOY6 is a former CM and still acquires pins from the employee store. I have bought many items from her and she is fantastic.

Not related to her and my only dealings have been on eBAY but I have been very happy

 

[pixiewings71]

I'm sorry if this is a repeat, but does anyone know if lauritadelmar is a good/bad seller?

Well, I bought a lot of 20 pins for 15 bucks, she has 100% positive feedback, she does free shipping, she answered my shipping question within about 3 minutes, and she shipped my order about 20 minutes after I paid...so, so far, so good. I will let you all know when the pins come how they are. If they're bad, at least it was just 15 bucks and then everyone here will know about it. I might need y'all's help though to find out if they are authentic - I've never even seen a pin in my life!

I have never used that seller, but when you get your pins check here or on pinpics.com, they will have scrappers notes if you do a search for your pins. If you need help just let us know, we will be happy to help.

You know that is good question. I would suspect that they legally buy in mass from one of the outlet malls or trade in mass at the parks? I personally would ask pixiewings71 she has good advice and is very knowledgible.

Awwww thanks!!! I appreciate the kind words. What I've learned I've learned with research and the help of many people here, I'm not an expert by far but I do appreciate your comments.

While not as knowledgeable as Pixie, are the legit sellers selling them for under a $1 or starting auctions at under a $1? I ask because there is a big difference in E-Bay fees if you do a fixed price listing for $1 ($.25) and an auction that starts under $1 (FREE).

Legit sellers may be doing those to avoid starting fees on E-Bay and let the chips fall where they may, figuring they already have the product, might as well get what they can for it, instead of just sitting on it.

yes, many sellers will start at 1 cent listings but rarely do the pins actually sell for that price. Many of them are purchased from outlets, on clearance or other types of liquidation sales. They may have found them at a yard sale being sold by someone who didn't care or didn't know what they had, there are so many possibilities that's it is impossible to say for sure where they are getting them.

New Seller on the block: luislovendio

No feedbacks yet, based out of Kissimmee, FL. Anyone looking at any of theirs?

No, not me, but perhaps I will go review them.

 

[pinparrot]

I have thoroughly enjoyed reading the posts in this thread. I'm not as worried about my collection after finding this post. I think if enough traders can be educated that we can slow down scrappers. Keep up the good work and thank you for having the courage to stand up to the bad Ebay sellers. I have not been able to understand why other sites are so afraid of sellers committing a crime. I also don't understand why Disney doesn't shut them down. I was told at the last PTN at WDW that the official disney position is that counterfits don't exist. Keep up the good work.

 

[blockscrappers]

I have thoroughly enjoyed reading the posts in this thread. I'm not as worried about my collection after finding this post. I think if enough traders can be educated that we can slow down scrappers. Keep up the good work and thank you for having the courage to stand up to the bad Ebay sellers. I have not been able to understand why other sites are so afraid of sellers committing a crime. I also don't understand why Disney doesn't shut them down. I was told at the last PTN at WDW that the official disney position is that counterfits don't exist. Keep up the good work.

I definitely agree with slowing down the scrappers and educating people. It's sad to hear about the position that Disney is taking about the scrappers. Maybe if we can get enough people to respond to them, they will have to eventually have to do something.
Keep spreading the word.

 

[IlovemythreeC's]

I'm a young pin trader posting on my mom's account, I wanted to say that the seller domimgood, should be in the bad list. I've bought some pins from him before and they smelled really bad, very oily. Then, i checked on pinpics and the coloring was off. That was my first scrapper experience and i wasn't happy about.Thanks for making this thread. BTW, my pinpics name is waltandroy71. I don't have a lot up just yet, but am working on it.