Good/Bad Internet and eBay Pin Sellers

[Broncobilly83]

There was and it did state $2.50 for the first pin and then $1.5 each additional item, but that seems like he is trying to profit off the shipping

 

[Spiffie]

There was and it did state $2.50 for the first pin and then $1.5 each additional item, but that seems like he is trying to profit off the shipping

I somewhat agree. However, it is hard to argue after the fact about something the seller puts in writing up front. I am one of those that would rather pay an extra dollar for careful shipping and packaging, though. Reminds me of one of my favorite scrapbook sayings (scrapbooking is a passion of mine, too):

"Scrapbooking: the art of spending $50 to showcase a $1.50 photograph."

 

[earthfaries]

This is more of a generic question about shipping with pins bought on E-bay. I bought 4 individual pins, each $1.25 or so, maybe $5 total in product. He is in FL, and I am in MD. I get the invoice that is asking for $7.45 in shipping costs, and that is via First Class. I pointed out to him that USPS Flat Rate, which they give you the boxes for free, is $4.95 for something this size. Am I wrong to question $7.45 for First Class for 4 small flag pins?

High shipping used to bother me on eBay too ~ so I always make sure before bidding that the shipping is something I don't mind paying ~ as it's pretty much always high in comparison to the actual costs.
I also keep in mind the cost of paper, ink, envelopes, bubble wrap and the time it takes to wrap and send the pins and driving to the post office to mail them.
To me that made it easier for me to pay the higher than actual shipping costs that most sellers charge ~ they do need to try and offset some of their costs as all of the costs add up.

 

[DisneyRunner2009]

An update on Will's pins my sister bid on. She too, was outbid by U***D. She told Will, no thanks on the second chance offer. How do you go reporting this to Ebay? A page or to back also posted comments about Will and being outbid by U***D and second chance offers. As for shipping charges, most sellers seem to be around $3 for the first pin.

 

[blockscrappers]

Please add cfc93 to the red list. Before finding this board we ordered 400 pins from this seller. We received 3 - 100 bags and I think 2 - 50 bags, anyway every bag had the same set of pins and were known scrappers plus we received 3 copies of the same low LE 500 pin. I think they sell alot of these lots so it might be worth informing lionqueen,
Thanks.

O.K. I am spreading the word - I have started a tread on Passporter a big DVC community to educate unknowing people. Maybe we can get something huge going.

 

[junebugTN]

An update on Will's pins my sister bid on. She too, was outbid by U***D. She told Will, no thanks on the second chance offer. How do you go reporting this to Ebay? A page or to back also posted comments about Will and being outbid by U***D and second chance offers. As for shipping charges, most sellers seem to be around $3 for the first pin.

I don't mean to pry, but can you give an idea of what amount you were bidding? Just thinking if it was a low bid, it wouldn't be surprising to be regularly outbid by someone else. I know I've personally gone through thewill's pins and put like a $1.50 bid on 50 of them, hoping that I snag about a quarter of them without being outbid. To someone else bidding, it might appear that I was a shill bidder.

I've bought lots of pins from him through the years, and I'm pretty confident that he's a straight up guy. I hope I'm not putting you on the spot by asking that question. I'm still learning and soaking up the info, too.

Thanks for sharing your experiences.

June

 

[pinparrot]

I'm not Nanub or his wife. I was led here through dispins. I picked my name because I have a Parrot and I collect pins. I did not know when I picked the name that nannub had opened a store with parrot in the title. That should be a crime in off it self. I have had run in's with Patrick at DTD in the past, and he is no friend of mine.These people will ruin pin trading if they are not stoped. I trade on pinpics and post on dizpins under a different name. I and several other long time pin traders would like to help stamp out counterfits and scrappers.Our collections are being put at risk. cfc93 is in with Nannub and buying from the same source. cfc93 has been around longer than Nannub and was legit untill year and a half ago. I"ll give you one more thinkerbelle102 was stamping AP on the back of rack pins and selling them on Ebay till they were caught. They sold hundreds and if you bought one you need to call and ask for a refund.Thanks and happy pin trading.

 

[Jenn4615]

It's not about being outbid on thewills pins. It's the fact that within 24 hours you recieve a second chance offer and the person that has outbid you is u**d. Honestly if the will was getting screwed by this u**d person this much he would of blocked the guy by now. It's clearly schill bidding. I didn't report him because I used my husbands eBay id to bid. Had I used mine when this happened I would have reported it to eBay. His pins I got from him are real legit pins. The transaction was fine. No complaints. But he's def dishonest.

 

[blockscrappers]

I too had a bad experience with cfc93. So your post confirms that cfc93 needs to be added to the red list. I too would like to help stamp out counterfits and scrappers before they completely ruin the fun. I am going to try to inform anyone I can on the boards.

 

[blockscrappers]

Not to question but are you sure this person didn't have an automatic bid going. Is it possible for the seller to inflate his prices by getting a relative or friend to bid? I am still learning so please excuse the questions....
I did ask Ebay about shilling and they said that they continously monitor the bidding - not sure if I believe them though. Would like to know more about this and how to detect it.

 

[blockscrappers]

hmmm....
just read that someone else was outbid U**D, I will have to watch out for this id in the future thanks.

 

[pixiewings71]

When the thread owner comes back he will update the thread and put cfc on the red list. I've purchased from the Will previously and only had good things to say, I haven't purchased from him lately because we aren't trading in the parks and that's what I was buying from him. I never had any problems and I too would go thru and bid on tons of his pins at a time (we had APs and went monthly for 2 years). I hope he's not shill bidding to drive his prices up....

 

[blockscrappers]

When the thread owner comes back he will update the thread and put cfc on the red list. I've purchased from the Will previously and only had good things to say, I haven't purchased from him lately because we aren't trading in the parks and that's what I was buying from him. I never had any problems and I too would go thru and bid on tons of his pins at a time (we had APs and went monthly for 2 years). I hope he's not shill bidding to drive his prices up....

Thanks, I bought from thewill and now just have to get the pins - am excited. Is there a way to tell if you are being shilled beside just maybe looking out for a certain ID?

 

[Jenn4615]

Automatic bidding is irrelevant. If he was purchasing the pins that would be fine if he was auto bidding... the point is...whenever U**D wins he never pays because it is ALWAYS offered as a second chance offer in 24 hours... I am sorry but I have sold on ebay... it takes more than a day for a seller to know that someone isn't going to pay for an item in order to even know you are going to offer a second chance offer. and if U**D is screwing thewill over and over and over again... He would of been blocked...it's not like this has been taking place over a couple days...this has been going on for WEEKS since it was figured out.
If he has friends and relatives bidding for him that is still schill bidding...
I am not saying to not buy from him... My point is he shouldn't be in the green... yes his pins are legit... But he is not honest.

 

[blockscrappers]

Automatic bidding is irrelevant. If he was purchasing the pins that would be fine if he was auto bidding... the point is...whenever U**D wins he never pays because it is ALWAYS offered as a second chance offer in 24 hours... I am sorry but I have sold on ebay... it takes more than a day for a seller to know that someone isn't going to pay for an item in order to even know you are going to offer a second chance offer. and if U**D is screwing thewill over and over and over again... He would of been blocked...it's not like this has been taking place over a couple days...this has been going on for WEEKS since it was figured out.
If he has friends and relatives bidding for him that is still schill bidding...
I am not saying to not buy from him... My point is he shouldn't be in the green... yes his pins are legit... But he is not honest.

O.K. I see, so he is being allowed to withdraw his bid and not pay. You're thinking he might be trying to drive up thewill's price to drive off his customers? I didn't know you could just withdraw your bid for an arbitary reason? I believe what you're saying just trying to learn about this stuff - I don't want te be shilled either. Thanks!

 

[earthfaries]

Someone who had bought from thewill and been offered a 2nd chance should call ebay and just tell them.
They have investigators for just that reason ~ shill bidding.
It won't hurt ~ if he's guilty he will not be able to list auctions for a while, but he should still be able to sell buy it nows. If he is not guilty they won't do anything.
It would be doing everyone a favor to just have it checked out. I would tell ebay if it had happened to me ~ it wouldn't hurt ~ only help

 

[DiskneeFan]

A seller can offer a second chance for reasons other than non payment.
There is a possibilty that he has more than 1 pin per auction and that could be the reason for the second chance offer. I have never purchased from him and I am not defending him, but there could be another side to the story.
I wouldnt be too quick to judge.

 

[Jenn4615]

He could offer the pin to someone else...if he had extras yes... However thats very unlikely and that is also against ebay rules...

 

[Broncobilly83]

He could offer the pin to someone else...if he had extras yes... However thats very unlikely and that is also against ebay rules...

How is that against the rules? If I have two of the exact same, and one sells for $10, and there was a second bidder at $9.50, why can't I offer it to that second bidder for $9.50, via E-Bay's system?

According to E-Bay's Help System:

When to use a Second Chance Offer

You can make a Second Chance Offer to someone when:

• Your item didn’t sell because the reserve price wasn’t met
• You have duplicate items for sale
• The winning bidder didn’t pay you

 

[DiskneeFan]

He could offer the pin to someone else...if he had extras yes... However thats very unlikely and that is also against ebay rules...

Why is it unlikely that he has duplicate pins? He sells pins! I wasnt aware that it is against ebay rules to give second chance offers if you have duplicates, I have been given the chance more than once, namely from sleepys emporium. Not arguing or defending, just learning.