Getting "carded" in WDW restaurant

[Boopuff]

I remember several years ago at ESPN Zone we sat down and ordered beer. The server asked for everyones id. Of course my adult children 25/27 didn't have their ids along. And it was a no go.

 

[DisneyCowgirl]

I've only been carded at Hoop De Doo. I did not have my license with me, and they refused to serve me. I was over 40 at the time, had 2 kids in tow, and certainly did NOT look younger than 21.

Never got carded when I went on my high school senior trip. I was only 17 then.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I've only been carded at Hoop De Doo. I did not have my license with me, and they refused to serve me. I was over 40 at the time, had 2 kids in tow, and certainly did NOT look younger than 21.

Once they ask for it they usually gotta just stick with it.

 

[sethschroeder]

To me that seems like more hassle than just carrying ID.

Except its a single time ever check. Since you say you want to carry your ID then don't do the check. I suppose carrying your credit cards is easier as well? No reason Disney should start putting the Disney CC discount on the profile either? Or even charge to the room option at all since you can carry your cards with you.

All of this is meant to be a convenience. It also avoids possibly losing your ID.

 

[Bjkandma]

I'm well over 21. Well over twice that. We were In a restaurant in Epcot (Italy) and was carded. I presented it and we all laughed about it!. We still talk about it and wonder if it was done to put a, "smile on our face", or just for a good laugh!

 

[Allison]

A connection to information in MDE experience is not going to be a valid form of id under the law. So, saying Disney should allow it is a moot point.

 

[kaytieeldr]

I would say that is on Disney for not introducing fingerprint scanners at check outs or at the very minimum pictures on your DME profile that Disney takes at the start of each stay if you opt in.

I guess I'm confused why you feel Disney should flout Florida law and follow a completely different, customer-demanded procedure.

In defense of Disney - this could very well be one of those cases where the TECHNOLOGY to do something exists, but State and/or Federal LAW won't recognize it as valid .

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/faq/restaurants/required-id-for-alcohol/

Except its a single time ever check.

No. It's an every time you visit any establishment and order alcohol check.

 

[Adventurelawyer]

Do you really think waiters carrying around fingerprint scanners would be easier than just showing ID?

Right? And why stop at a fingerpringscan? Why not a retinal scan? Some people don’t even have hands. SMH

 

[Pumbaa_]

An expired license is not valid ID
You may be checked for ID regardless of age
Once asked, regardless of age, you must produce a valid ID, no exceptions

Not carrying an ID is really irresponsible. Emergencies and accidents happen. Please carry ID and an emergency contact

Non-US visitors must produce a passport to passport photo. Your license is not valid for proof of age.

 

[sethschroeder]

I guess I'm confused why you feel Disney should flout Florida law and follow a completely different, customer-demanded procedure.

So in Florida you show your ID every single time for every single alcohol purchase ever? Must have missed that when I was carded 1 time over 9 days.

Also I suspect Disney has a requirement to see an ID but then after the first time if they can verify your identity don't need to check it against.

Hence the ability to when entering a night club get a wrist band that qualifies you to get alcohol the rest of the night with no further Id checks.

Right? And why stop at a fingerpringscan? Why not a retinal scan? Some people don’t even have hands. SMH

Are you seriously going that outrageous? People supply the fingerprint for entering parks hence using the system already in place to verify your ownership of the Magic band.

 

[sethschroeder]

Do you really think waiters carrying around fingerprint scanners would be easier than just showing ID?

Yes because when in parks I dont carry my wallet and don't carry my ID.

Waiters already have magic band scanner. So what's the big deal putting a finger print scanner on it?

 

[jbehr12]

Yes because when in parks I dont carry my wallet and don't carry my ID.

Waiters already have magic band scanner. So what's the big deal putting a finger print scanner on it?

Finger print IDs aren’t a valid form of ID. This is state and federal law, Disney can’t change that. It’s not up to them what types of ID they can accept.

Also, no shot finger print scanners will be easier than flashing an ID. Maybe for your individual situation, but not for the overall operation.

Thirdly, getting carded once out of 9 days is not typical. I’m 32 and get carded for most purchases. The only times I don’t are at some table service restaurants, and even that is hit or miss.

 

[sethschroeder]

Finger print IDs aren’t a valid form of ID. This is state and federal law, Disney can’t change that. It’s not up to them what types of ID they can accept.

Also, no shot finger print scanners will be easier than flashing an ID. Maybe for you personally, but not for the overall operation.

Thirdly, getting carded once out of 9 days is not typical. I’m 32 and get carded for most purchases. The only times I don’t are at some table service restaurants, and even that is hit or miss.

Well typical or not I rarely if ever have gotten carded at WDW dating back to 2013 when we first went on our honeymoon.

Also I didn't say a fingerprint was ID. Your ID is your valid form of ID. Disney would approve your ID and then tag your account.

I don't see it any different than my night club example. Unless they do something different in Florida there are bars and clubs that check your ID once, give you a wrist band or stamp, and that then allows you to bypass being carded again.

 

[Tink9721]

I don't see it any different than my night club example. Unless they do something different in Florida there are bars and clubs that check your ID once, give you a wrist band or stamp, and that then allows you to bypass being carded again.

You don't see the difference between a club you'll be in for a few hours one night, and an entire resort with hundreds of different locations to order alcohol from that you'll be in for several days?

 

[jbehr12]

Well typical or not I rarely if ever have gotten carded at WDW dating back to 2013 when we first went on our honeymoon.

Also I didn't say a fingerprint was ID. Your ID is your valid form of ID. Disney would approve your ID and then tag your account.

I don't see it any different than my night club example. Unless they do something different in Florida there are bars and clubs that check your ID once, give you a wrist band or stamp, and that then allows you to bypass being carded again.

I see what you’re saying. I think the difference is that the establishment that originally checked your ID in the nightclub example can give a wristband if you are staying in the night club because they as an individual club serving alcohol have seen your state or federal ID and you’re not going elsewhere.

In Disney, every stand or food service location or stand needs its own liquor license so they all need to check your ID individually. Disney can’t just check it once and give you the OK for all of their locations, because there is no one umbrella license for the whole park if that makes sense.

If Disney only had one central location that serves alcohol they could get away with it because one location only needs one license, they can check your ID once, give you a wrist band, and still be complying with the law. Since they have multiple kiosks, quick service locations, restaurants, and bars, each establishment is required by law to ID their patrons and they need to see the physical ID.

Sorry that was so wordy but I used to manage a contracted company at a zoo that ran multiple food kiosks and locations and we needed separate licenses and building inspections for each one even though they were all at the same zoo. Its a GIANT headache and I’d imagine if Disney could do that with a scanner they would have years ago.

 

[spiders]

I can certainly understand not wanting to carry your passport into the parks. With that being said, there is absolutely no excuse to not have your license on you. Is a driver's license really bogging you down? You're afraid your going to lose it? Is there a higher risk of losing it in your pocket at Disney vs. every other public place that you normally carry your ID?

Disney doesn't validate your age when they take your fingerprint. They take it to protect admission.

 

[sethschroeder]

You don't see the difference between a club you'll be in for a few hours one night, and an entire resort with hundreds of different locations to order alcohol from that you'll be in for several days?

Not from how Disney can actually verify your identity better than a club with a hand stamp. Seems Disney would be more protected from legal issues than the club. Ever slip one of those wrist bands off your hand?

Disney has a built in verification system of identity already. They just need to attach age as verified to your profile linked to your magic band / finger print.

In Disney, every stand or food service location or stand needs its own liquor license so they all need to check your ID individually.

See unless it's different in Florida I don't believe that's the law. The law requires you to check anyone who you believe to be under 21 or is under 21 (most companies do a higher age to protect themselves).

On the flip side those stands if you scan your band and finger print could know for a fact what your age is. So under the law wouldn't be required to check your ID.

Understand you use to have to deal with things as a contractor but Disney has a central services piece already built out that can be leveraged.

Since they have multiple kiosks, quick service locations, restaurants, and bars, each establishment is required by law to ID their patrons and they need to see the physical ID.

Except you don't need to ID everyone. Just when you do ask it needs to be a legal ID. Correct? Or is it different in florida? If so Disney is already breaking those laws then as I previously stated I basically never get carded.

 

[jbehr12]

Not from how Disney can actually verify your identity better than a club with a hand stamp. Seems Disney would be more protected from legal issues than the club. Ever slip one of those wrist bands off your hand?

Disney has a built in verification system of identity already. They just need to attach age as verified to your profile linked to your magic band / finger print.



See unless it's different in Florida I don't believe that's the law. The law requires you to check anyone who you believe to be under 21 or is under 21 (most companies do a higher age to protect themselves).

On the flip side those stands if you scan your band and finger print could know for a fact what your age is. So under the law wouldn't be required to check your ID.

Understand you use to have to deal with things as a contractor but Disney has a central services piece already built out that can be leveraged.



Except you don't need to ID everyone. Just when you do ask it needs to be a legal ID. Correct? Or is it different in florida? If so Disney is already breaking those laws then as I previously stated I basically never get carded.

I think you’re missing a lot of the point I’m trying to make... it’s not about Disney being better suited to protect themselves if they were to have their own laws regarding taking valid forms of IDs. Disney’s “built in central form of validating age” doesn’t mean jack hooey to the government, they don’t make laws and just because a scanner could work doesn’t make it legal. I think if they could make their own rules regarding IDs they would have by now and it’s quite telling that they haven’t. Disney has built its own infrastructure but it still needs to abide by federal and state law that says only a valid form of ID (as in a physical card or passport) are acceptable.

You are right that state laws vary about this kind of thing and I personally don’t have professional experience in Florida, but comparing a night club to Disney when it comes to what we’re talking about is apples to oranges. You could compare the night club to one single bar on Disney property, but the resort as a whole is completely different.

And ideally they need to card you, I think you’re right some companies bump up the age for their own protection, but sometimes the individual employee just doesn’t for some reason. Maybe you look older, you carry yourself well, or you know how to order a drink well. I find I get carded the least when I order something that shows I know what I’m talking about.

 

[sethschroeder]

Is a driver's license really bogging you down? You're afraid your going to lose it? Is there a higher risk of losing it in your pocket at Disney vs. every other public place that you normally carry your ID?

I don't carry my wallet. My wallet is where my license is at all times. A single loose card is more likely to get lost. So I don't carry a loose card and leave my ID in the room.

There is zero reason for me to have my ID. It's not a law I carry it, if the police speak with me for some reason I can verify my identity with their questions or via pulling up a digital copy.

 

[sethschroeder]

Disney’s “built in central form of validating age” doesn’t mean jack hooey to the government

Except the law only required you check id's of those you believe to be under 21.

If you know for a fact they are over 21 then no ID request of the patron is required.

You are missing that as a cashier Disney could tell me if you are over 21 so now I know your over 21. Or if I should check ID (under 21 in system or didn't not every get checked before).

What would the government hit Disney with? Serving people under 21. Which wouldn't happen. So thus the government wouldn't have anything to go after Disney for.

I think your are mixing up company policy (checking everyone under 60) with law (checking anyone who you as the server believes to be under 21). Hence why at a night club when I see you were already carded with a wristband I don't need to ask for ID because the company I worked for marked you in a way for me to verify that question without ID proof.