Geriatric MM Warriors!

[momtozac]

Nell: I'll copy Dr. Teitelbaum's pages on D-Ribose and email you. He explains that this sugar which is found in muscles is what helps athletes recover. If your body doesn't make enough of it, there is nothing you can eat or do that will make it - except taking it directly. I felt better within 3 days of starting it. Diane wasn't too convinced I needed it so I did an experiment without it and I am much worse again. I can't do much of an incline on the treadmill without getting a cramp, sometimes I can get a muscle spam from brushing my hair. I can never stretch in bed when I wake up for fear of my back cramping up. These things were long gone when I was on it. I have to get back on that stuff.

lisa, please send it to me too zmemommy@aol.com. Don't get me wrong, I love Diane, but she didn't understand my caffiene problems at all. She's a dietician, not an alternative doc. She did say that to me so not so much gossiping as translating what she said to me. so if a doctor or someone who has studies this syndrome knows what to do , I would do it!

 

[Daniele]

lisa, please send it to me too zmemommy@aol.com. Don't get me wrong, I love Diane, but she didn't understand my caffiene problems at all. She's a dietician, not an alternative doc. She did say that to me so not so much gossiping as translating what she said to me. so if a doctor or someone who has studies this syndrome knows what to do , I would do it!

Giving up Caffeine gave me a lot more energy, which seems kind of backwards, lol. I still have small amounts in my diet, but not a lot.

Lisa, since your on step two it should be easier to add your supplement to your carb allotment. With me right now it would be the same as my maca supplement, the carbs would amount to too much. As soon as I get that insulin low enough and can go to step two, I should be ok. Oh, I forgot to set the faxes I needed to. Duh! Ok, I'm going right now to fax!

 

[Simpleone]

Nell said...Pam, I was thinking about what you said some more. I think it's important for me not to judge. I am upset with the letters Georgia Lee sent, and that it appeared that others agreed with Texas's assessment. I felt that our Godiva ride, something that we shared and made us laugh through this time of change that is so difficult, was ridiculed. I started thinking of the personal things I've shared that weren't on topic and felt horrified and embarrassed. It made me feel as though I needed to hide and get away from judgement. I'm going to keep in mind that some of the folks over there are stepping up because we aren't. It just doesn't feel safe anymore.

Ohhhh Lord! I didn't know any of this happened! I just thought that "Texan her face" had just spewed off randomly and based on that, GL decided to start a StepII thread. She sent out letters!? I guess I was on the outs more than I realized. No wonder!! And for the record.. picturing that Godiva ride got this gal through some pretty rough days! I'm an avid believer in laugher being the best medicine at times. Thanks to you all for being here, there, or anywhere! The picture is more clear for me now.

Pam

 

[Virginiaponygirl]

Whew!! busy girls here today! busy at work too, so not much time...caught up though!

Laura - thanks, and I will continue at the gym 5 nights a week!

Sunnee - glad you seem to be doing so well!

Barb - too funny about the rogue questions, believe me I want to do that too! Just slip in and ask some really bizarre questions and see how GL and KW react to that!! Dasieys evil twin!! Maybe it can be triplets!
I think you should ditch the pumpkin and definitely add that middle of the night snack...thats the very first thing Diane got on me about when I posted my menus while on step2...I have to set my alarm to get up for it, but Im doing it!

Nell - glad you are getting used to the decaf, but you are making me light-
headed with all that medicinal vinegar talk!

I did give Diane our new link here, and briefly explained without going into names or details!

Natalie - you got it, my endorphins are running wild...they need to get some control like my L and P!!!

Lisa - Alright already, I will try the walnut pesto...geez

Pam - yeah, Lisa and I both got Nastygrams from GL...told us that we needed to quit with all the drama..I was PISSED...pardon my french, but I think Lisa and I are the farthest from drama!! So obviously nobody is going to have a problem with any of us posting over there, I would just hope that we would all be careful not to mention this site...it is far to important and precious for us to share!! Unless of course we agree to add someone we think we have missed!

 

[Wisteria1956]

Natalie and Nell: Diane’s response to me about the D-Ribose made me feel a bit like when doctors don’t believe you. I wanted to react, but I decided to let it sit for awhile and see how I really felt. I decided to give her the benefit of the doubt and stop using it while doing MM. MM has done a lot for me, but it has not cured my muscles. I agree Natalie that this isn’t putting Diane down. She can’t be an expert on everything. Barb, I don’t know what took me so long. These things are sometimes gradual and then you suddenly realize, Ah, Oh! Diane seems to think people take D-Ribose for energy so she probably doesn’t know Dr. Teitelbaum’s data on muscle recovery. Energy is great, but it's a lot more important to be able to get out of bed without pain. I’ll be happy to send you guys those pages. I’m sure I can schedule in the extra 3 carbs now that I am on Step 2.

Pam: The letters Robin and I got were announcements about her decision to split us up and I literally responded with two sentences that said basically, “I’m confused. I thought no one or few had voted to do this.” To that we received another condescending reply where she told us to ‘cut out the drama’ and where she stated ‘it is what it is’ and there is to be no discussion about it. Believe me, if the majority had told me to go to the moon and post from there, I would have tried to please. We only wanted to know what happened to democracy.

Lisa

 

[Daniele]

Well, I finally got my labs sent over to Diane. I got the vacation response though when I emailed and told her they were on the way. I hope I'm not bothering her, she asked me to email when they were coming. I sure hope that I have much better numbers next time. I want to go to step two!

 

[Wisteria1956]

Well, I finally got my labs sent over to Diane. I got the vacation response though when I emailed and told her they were on the way. I hope I'm not bothering her, she asked me to email when they were coming. I sure hope that I have much better numbers next time. I want to go to step two!

She's been checking her email on vacation. Hope you get a reply soon and come on over to Step 2!

 

[momtozac]

Giving up Caffeine gave me a lot more energy, which seems kind of backwards, lol. I still have small amounts in my diet, but not a lot.

Lisa, since your on step two it should be easier to add your supplement to your carb allotment. With me right now it would be the same as my maca supplement, the carbs would amount to too much. As soon as I get that insulin low enough and can go to step two, I should be ok. Oh, I forgot to set the faxes I needed to. Duh! Ok, I'm going right now to fax!

It actually makes perfect sense--you've been burning your adrenals out with the caffiene so you're giving them a break (like the L and P!)

 

[Daniele]

It actually makes perfect sense--you've been burning your adrenals out with the caffiene so you're giving them a break (like the L and P!)

It does when you put it that way but...

How come all my organs get to go on vacation and I don't!

 

[momtozac]

It does when you put it that way but...

How come all my organs get to go on vacation and I don't!

HA! not fair

 

[gettinhealthy]

When my Mom asked the doctor in KY to prescribe melatonin for my grandfather so he would stop walking the halls at night he called her a 'pot smoking hippie from CA'!! Then he prescribed the melatonin, LOL! Yeah, we just eat grass and not the kind you put in brownies!

That is so funny!!!!

 

[gettinhealthy]

girl, you have been through too much. "Lord, I lift up Kathy and I ask you keep her strong through her trials--in Jesus' holy name, AMEN"

Natalie, you just brought tears to my eyes. All I can do is humbly thank you, and I do from the bottom of my heart. You all have no idea how much you all have been healing my heart and soul. And yes, this WOL and WOE is more than just the food.
Again, thank you. I will be repeating this before bed tonight.
Also, what 2 or more ask in prayer, it is answered. (I think that's how it goes, if I'm off a bit, sorry)
We will ALL be having prayers answered.

 

[Wisteria1956]

Natalie, you just brought tears to my eyes. All I can do is humbly thank you, and I do from the bottom of my heart. You all have no idea how much you all have been healing my heart and soul. And yes, this WOL and WOE is more than just the food.
Again, thank you. I will be repeating this before bed tonight.
Also, what 2 or more ask in prayer, it is answered. (I think that's how it goes, if I'm off a bit, sorry)
We will ALL be having prayers answered.

I will be your number two, then Kathy. You are such a dear. Rest well and heal.

Lisa

 

[gettinhealthy]

Kathy, I have not been ignoring your question about how to make herbal vinegars and oils. I keep meaning to write on it. It's very complex, but I'm thinking of medicinal ones. If you'd like to use them for cooking, it's just a matter of picking the fresh herbs an putting them in a jar in a way that is pretty. With oils, if you want to make an oregano flavored oil for example, you want to squish the fresh leaves in your hands then release them to stay on the little branch your putting in. Crushing them a bit will allow the flavor to get in the oil. Vinegar will extract the flavor on it's own so you don't have to squish them.

If you want to make a medicinal vinegar, like say you retain water and you want to make a dandelion vinegar, then you would take apple vinegar without an active culture. The kind you buy at the supermarket, not a health food store. Then you would chop the herb, in this case dandelion into little pieces, root and all and jam pack a jar to the top. Then add vinegar until you can close the jar with vinegar leaking as you close the lid. In other words, leave no air. Put in on a shelf and let it age. The longer it ages, the stronger the herbal dose. To use medicinal vinegars, you just add a spoon or two to water and drink the water. It doesn't make it taste really funky Pony. I know Robin is freaking here!

Oh, Nell, I didn't think that at all. To be honest, I completely forgot about it. I was thinking of the cooking oils. I know a lot of people use it for medicinal things too. I actually prefer holistic approaches to things. I just don't like drugs. I have been to see an eye reader. It was so interesting. She also had me put my arms straight out and I had to press down on her hands while she pressed up on mine. She could press up no problem. Then she gave me some medicines to hold, and while holding the bottles of medicines, she tried pushing my arms down again, and couldn't. I took the stuff she recommended and it did help. I need to read up on some more homeopathic stuff.

 

[momtozac]

Natalie, you just brought tears to my eyes. All I can do is humbly thank you, and I do from the bottom of my heart. You all have no idea how much you all have been healing my heart and soul. And yes, this WOL and WOE is more than just the food.
Again, thank you. I will be repeating this before bed tonight.
Also, what 2 or more ask in prayer, it is answered. (I think that's how it goes, if I'm off a bit, sorry)
We will ALL be having prayers answered.

you're very welcome--remember to say this prayer everyday--God wants us tp pray often. 'ask and you shall recieve'

 

[gettinhealthy]

Yes, that's part of the syndrome, if you have it. It's not an immediate reaction. Whereas other people can bounce back from strain, we actually might be much worse from it and take days to recover.

Could this be part of my problem? I have a really great day, then really exhausted for days after.
I could sleep all the time. It's not as bad now, but even just yesterday wiped me out today. I'll have to research it a bit I guess. I do have aches and pains, but who doesn't?

 

[Daniele]

Could this be part of my problem? I have a really great day, then really exhausted for days after.
I could sleep all the time. It's not as bad now, but even just yesterday wiped me out today. I'll have to research it a bit I guess. I do have aches and pains, but who doesn't?

Look up adrenal exhaustion Kathy. I found a lot of good information there too.

 

[gettinhealthy]

Giving up Caffeine gave me a lot more energy, which seems kind of backwards, lol. I still have small amounts in my diet, but not a lot.

Nell, the reason it seems backward is that the caffeine gives you your "boost." Each time we drink it, it makes our "normal" energy even lower, so we need more caffeine to bring us up to "normal." Before we know it it takes 2 pots of coffee/caffeine to get us to even normal.
Hope you can understand it the way I tried to explain it.

 

[gettinhealthy]

I will be your number two, then Kathy. You are such a dear. Rest well and heal.

Lisa

Ok, now the tears are coming down my cheeks. Thank you Lisa. You all mean so much to me. I know you all know just how much. I'll try to not get too mushy tonight

 

[Wisteria1956]

Could this be part of my problem? I have a really great day, then really exhausted for days after.
I could sleep all the time. It's not as bad now, but even just yesterday wiped me out today. I'll have to research it a bit I guess. I do have aches and pains, but who doesn't?

It could be, Kathy. You know how the light came on when you read the introduction to MM? That's the same way I was when I first read From Fatigued to Fantastic by Dr. Teitelbaum. I have ordered it for people from Amazon. I'm scanning those pages on D-Ribose for Nell and Natalie. I can email you if you want, also. But remember, it's only a piece of the puzzle so it might not be the best to take it out of context. The story he tells of the animal vet that couldn't work any more really hit home.