Ft. Wilderness Cabins becoming DVC?

[tom1944]

People are assuming they will have bunk beds and that has not been said.

They did say that they will use the existing pad…that’s it…nothing about how these will sleep 6.

If you look at the picture, it looks to me like they could have a loft area.

So, how about bedroom is king bed, sleeps two…living room has queen pull down Murphy bed to sleep two and loft has a double or two twin beds for the other two.

We stayed in one in the Keys with that set up and it was smaller than the current cabins.


There are lots of ways they can configure these new cabins.

I think there are just too many assumptions about these.

My guess, as I said, is that they are going have tiny homes that are much more upscale than what is there.

A loft sleeping are with stairs changes everything.

 

[Leight19]

DVC is creative with floor plans and beds. The loft space makes it unique and kids would love it especially if they can see the sky or fireworks at night. Existing cabin flood plan is dated and not premium/deluxe.

I understand they are creative but at end of day I just don’t see any level of creativity that makes the smallest 1bedroom in dvc located at a value/moderate resort worth more then any of the other 1BR in inventory let alone 2BR as some have suggested. I think where they could have success is taking page from the treehouses at Saratoga where that was marketed as 3BR at 2BR price they could market this as 1BR at studio price. This is in line with the size of the cabins and the current cash price and imo would represent their first dip in as moderate dvc. If they did this I could see us adding on to stay there since these rooms would be incredible during Christmas.

 

[Leight19]

A loft sleeping are with stairs changes everything.

I guess I don’t understand exactly what a loft is but if they made this two stories or something in way that increases effective square footage that would be a game changer. In that case I could see these as being basically a copper creek cabin light where it matches 2BR point charts.

 

[DebbieB]

Not for those who don't have Deluxe budgets. I think there'd be a big market for a more moderately-priced DVC ownership.

Unless they can only be used at Fort Wilderness, I don’t see the purchase price being less. Otherwise, people would buy them to stay elsewhere. The moderate might be more in the points per night.

This brings back memories when DVC at CBR was announced. Debating about a moderate DVC and how it would fit in. Didn’t turn out that way, total opposite.

 

[gmi3804]

Unless they can only be used at Fort Wilderness, I don’t see the purchase price being less. Otherwise, people would buy them to stay elsewhere. The moderate might be more in the points per night.

Not if, as I wondered, it would take more "moderate" points to stay at a different DVC property.

 

[Boopuff]

We all seem to forget that the existing cabins are old. There have been so many advances in "permanent RV/trailer homes" It's pure speculation that the new cabins will mirror the old. I doubt that. My guess is the new layout will have at minimum a bath and half or one with shower one with tub. And they can also get two bedrooms in some models now. Efficient single tub wash/dryer combo could be possible. Lots to speculate here. The pool area is existing, but they could easily (maybe) add some deluxe features (aka slide/water feature) without a lot of changes. The hard part, IMO, will be separating the DVC cabins from the rest of the resort. Maybe it will have it's own, private entrance, locked pool and possibly a restaurant of some sort since TE is gone. I can't wait to see!

 

[Sandisw]

I understand they are creative but at end of day I just don’t see any level of creativity that makes the smallest 1bedroom in dvc located at a value/moderate resort worth more then any of the other 1BR in inventory let alone 2BR as some have suggested. I think where they could have success is taking page from the treehouses at Saratoga where that was marketed as 3BR at 2BR price they could market this as 1BR at studio price. This is in line with the size of the cabins and the current cash price and imo would represent their first dip in as moderate dvc. If they did this I could see us adding on to stay there since these rooms would be incredible during Christmas.

I don’t think there have been a lot who think these will be priced at the 2 bedroom level, but rather due to the sleeping occupancy being more than studios and 1 bedrooms it supports a point chart that comes in around the 1 bedroom cost.

And, they did say they would also be adding amenities to that area as well. That alone could up the area with DVC to a more deluxe level experience.

The newest resort studio points charts put those in line with some of the older or less expensive 1 bedrooms too so that could also work. Why my guess is an average of 30 to 35 points a night.

 

[bianca]

The rooms almost don’t matter to me. There is no way I’m going to get on a bus or golf cart and spend an hour going up to the Trails End quick service or to catch a boat to MK. I have spent LOTS of time at FW …… some trips 4-6 weeks And I know very well how big the resort is and how much time can be wasted traversing the place. Unless they have a quick service restaurant specifically for DVC AND a seriously upgraded pool/recreation area, there will be no way I’ll ever stay there. It’s a loooong distance from the current cabin area up to the settlement.

 

[Genie+]

I can see slightly more points than 1BRs at CCV and BRV to be worth it for uniqueness and occupancy. Who knows… maybe these come first and later joined by whatever replaces Reflections, under one association.

 

[mort1331]

If we read on some of the FW boards,,,those people love these cabins and have been coming back for YEARS. They are upset about losing inventory there.
Now there is a vocal part there that are now looking at buying, depending on price, so they can secure times of year that they can have for the next 50 years.
I can also see having a few dedicated long golf carts as shuttles back and forth from the water taxis. Also being closer to the front, dedicated busses to the other parks.
They have also said there will be fewer cabins built then are there now. That leads to possibilities of separate quick service, resort check in, and general store area. As well as beefing up the pool area.
Lots of speculation,,,
Would love to be able to have loft with skylights to lay and watch some fireworks if cleared right. Ahhhhhh

 

[Stargazer65]

They have also said there will be fewer cabins built then are there now. That leads to possibilities of separate quick service, resort check in, and general store area. As well as beefing up the pool area.
Lots of speculation,,,

They have to leave some land clear for later when they add on the 20 story "Fort Wilderness Tower".

 

[Sandisw]

I was just reviewing the article and it specifically mentions sleeping 6 adults. Leads me to believe that bunk beds may not be part of it.

Also it does mention about this being available for DVC and cash bookings based on availability. So, who knows…maybe they are going to play it by ear and that all may never get declared….

 

[CarolynFH]

I was just reviewing the article and it specifically mentions sleeping 6 adults. Leads me to believe that bunk beds may not be part of it.

Also it does mention about this being available for DVC and cash bookings based on availability. So, who knows…maybe they are going to play it by ear and that all may never get declared….

The Aulani at WDW!

 

[ehh]

I was just reviewing the article and it specifically mentions sleeping 6 adults. Leads me to believe that bunk beds may not be part of it.

Also it does mention about this being available for DVC and cash bookings based on availability. So, who knows…maybe they are going to play it by ear and that all may never get declared….

Starcruiser bunk beds officially sleep adults, as do the more traditional bunk beds in the SSR Treehouse Villas.

 

[Cfabar1]

Starcruiser bunk beds officially sleep adults, as do the more traditional bunk beds in the SSR Treehouse Villas.

it'll be the sizing of the beds. I don't know how the current beds work out if they're kiddie or adult size.

 

[Sandisw]

Starcruiser bunk beds officially sleep adults, as do the more traditional bunk beds in the SSR Treehouse Villas.

It just thought it odd they made a point of saying sleeps 6 adults vs just sleeps 6.

But, you are right in that there are adult sizes one.

 

[maui22]

Most 1BRs only have 1 bathroom, but they also only sleep 4-5. I hope they have 2 full bathrooms since they will sleep 6 adults.

 

[zavandor]

Using the max allocation point for the resort that can be found in the Multi-site POS.... it is what things would cost if there were no seasons, no views, etc. at the resort....and every day of the year is the same. So, 1 bedrooms here average 36 points and only sleep 4...now, they charge more for different view types which certainly impact things, but you get the picture....basically, this will allow them to market them as a premium product for 1 bedrooms...they sleep more people than both studios and 1 bedrooms at all other DVC resorts....

But, even using Wilderness Lodge (which is BRV) chart, which has no views or categories, its 36 points a night average for the year all things being equal and that is pretty close to where the cabins would be located in terms of proximity to the parks...
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Interesting chart, I had never seen it before.
I can notice that for BWV, a resort that has views but where they never reallocated across units, they kept the maximum reallocation by view.
At SSR, AKV and I guess BLT, where they have reallocated across units (something I believe it's illegal), they have conflated everything under one view.
Didn't the original POS for AKV and BLT had the maximum reallocation by view?

 

[Sandisw]

Interesting chart, I had never seen it before.
I can notice that for BWV, a resort that has views but where they never reallocated across units, they kept the maximum reallocation by view.
At SSR, AKV and I guess BLT, where they have reallocated across units (something I believe it's illegal), they have conflated everything under one view.
Didn't the original POS for AKV and BLT had the maximum reallocation by view?

The POS for BLT, AKV as well as RIV do not have declarations by view. Of course, neither does SSR. Even BWV POS thst I reviewed doesn’t have it but I do notice that they didn’t separate BWV vs preferred. Maybe it has to do with how they changed things as new resorts were built?

I am not convinced that reallocations across the units, given that units include the 2 bedroom lock off and how those are declared, is illegal for purposes of booking but I can’t say I am also 100% conviced either.

I do believe though that is chart gives them permisson to adjust rooms based on view when that needs to happen…when they adjusted the TPV rooms at BLT.


I just can’t find anything definitive that balancing the resort to meet demand and what benefits owners is not allowed. All the info I seem to find is related to the sales of points and that being required to balance per unit because things are deeded.

The fact that this is part of the documents in the Multisire POS woud lead me to believe it has some legal backing.

It is also why I lean towards this as what gives them the ability to create point charts with different seasons and views.

Getting back to FW, it’s why I just don’t see 30 to 35 points average a njght to be a real possibility.

Granted, that means we may see some seasons less, and some more, but with all being same type of vacation home, it seems like it will be a little less complex to create points for sale and create charts

 

[zavandor]

The POS for BLT, AKV as well as RIV do not have declarations by view. Of course, neither does SSR. Even BWV POS thst I reviewed doesn’t have it but I do notice that they didn’t separate BWV vs preferred. Maybe it has to do with how they changed things as new resorts were built?

Are you referring to the original POS when they went on sale or the current POS?
SSR didn't have views when it went on sale, they were added later, so the original POS doesn't have it and they're not in the table. BWV went on sale with standard and preferred, BW view was created later, but just creating the booking category, not changing the point charts. So the BWV maximum reallocation shows two views, that were already there at the resort when it was created and were never altered since.
If someone has the original AKV or BLT POS, can you please check if the maximum reallocation paragraph shows different views or not? Thanks
It doesn't prove anything either case, but it's curious that some resort have views in that table and some don't.