Friend was cheated on, need advice for her - update post 16

And God helps those who help themselves.
Remind her that she has children who will be depending on her for their livelihood, since their father is a class A loser.
 
Did we get the shock of our lives last night. Around dinner, our next door neighbor and good friend comes over, tells my husband to please watch her 7 yr old son, and would I come out and talk to her on the driveway. She proceeds to tell me, hyperventilating, that her husband left her for his best friends wife. They were planning on telling my friend that night but she saw the two of them in town together when he was supposed to be home sick...yea I know, I can't make this stuff up. They are church going people who attend church retreats, bible studies, and have lived through the word of god as long as we've known them. I'm obviously closer to her, since we're both moms and spend a lot of time sitting on the deck watching her son and my daughter play, so we chat a lot more. She is a very sweet soul who lives true to her word. While we've always gotten along with him -bbqs, bonfires, hanging out on the driveway-I know he's more stubborn and when he believes something, he will argue his way until he's black and blue. Still, I'd never in a million yrs think of him as doing this to their family., especially their 7 and 13 yr old boys I love like they were my own sons and are truly the nicest, kindest boys I've ever met.

Fast forward to today...he never came home last night, she went to work, boys are staying at their grandparents house, like they had planned to due to no school. The associate pastor at their old church talked to both him and the other woman (she is very very active in the church) and he was non-responsive to it and she went back to her husband. He told my friend today that he wants to file for divorce and bankruptcy. She's devastated and wants him back or at least to give her a chance. I know, I know. We are all telling her to leave and let him crawl back and beg for her. He ended up being at home when she came home tonight and she's just begging him to listen to her. Again, we friends are telling her, go somewhere else tonight.

So I've NEVER EVER experienced this from anyone I know. Only seen it on Dateline stories or movies or tv plots! If anyone has some good legal advice (they have very few assest and money, he has a decent paying job and she was a stay home mom who went back to work two years ago as a bank teller. No college education) or relationship advice....I'd love to hear it. I'm a strong woman and can give her my shoulder to cry on and ear to vent to and some tough love words or wisdom, but not on cheating husbands! Thanks!!!!!

UPDATE POST #16

You are very sweet, but stay out of it. pixiedust: I'd just make sure my car and my doors are locked. Really, stay out of it. I still shake my head at the story of my ex going to my girlfriend's house and crying to them. They were, um, uncomfortable. 16 years later, they still bring it up how ackward it was when we get to drinking and joking around. ;) Um, Happy Easter DISers!
 
One baby step at a time ;)

It might be too late if he's been planning this for awhile and has been draining their savings and hiding assets. It's fine to look for spiritual guidance to see her though emotionally but she needs a lawyer to help her with the practical end. Don't let her be naive about this.
 
This is exactly why it is sensitive, people want people to seek out attorney's. God already knows and is in control.
"God is always in control."

By this logic, then, God is the one who planned it and let it happen in the first place. She needs LEGAL protection, not just spiritual guidance.
 

While I agree that she needs legal advise, I think she went exactly where she needed go right now.

She sounds like she is in a state right now where she needs guidance. Her world just got flipped up side down. She doesn't know what to do. She probably believes divorce is a sin, she is faithful, so now what? What about her kids? How do they grow up well in a split home? Those are the questions she probably wants answered right now. The pastor's wife can help her with that. I am sure this is a woman who seeks comfort in prayer, again, the pastor's wife can help her with that.

Her thoughts right now are on saving her marriage.

Since he sought out the pastor, maybe he is looking for the same guidance.

God being in control doesn't mean that He planned this crisis for her, her husband made his own choices, as we all do. It means He will lead her to what she seeks and what she needs.




OP, if nothing changes after they each are able to talk to the pastor and his wife, then I would suggest that she see a lawyer or someone who can give her the advise she needs to protect herself and her children. Or at the very least, dig into where they are financially.

Its possible that the remark about bankruptcy came from him not wanting to support two households, and not from having spent all their money. But she will need to know this for sure. In fact, as a part of fixing the marriage, she will need to know everything about where they stand.
 
God is there to help you find strength , faith in that it will be ok and the wisdom to help you understand. Spiritual guidance is important to remind you that you have someone that is with you but You still need to do what is needed.

One of my closest friends just went through something like this and all I can say is RUN to an attorney . Just like she needs spiritual guidance she needs legal guidance to. Most attorneys give a free consultation . Please, as a friend, urge her to go and if she's scared, offer to go with her.

There is so much she should already be doing to protect herself and her kids . Everything from making copies if bank statement balances to credit card statement balances, gathering all information she can. It really is THAT important.
 
LISTEN
and that's the only advice I can give you.


In my years here on earth, I've seen the perfect couples get divorced more often than not. And trust me, god-fearing, bible believing and church-going are just as likely as anyone.

I'd bet the jerk describes his new "love" as his soul-mate. ( insert finger in mouth)
 
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As friends, we obviously don't want him to crawl back to her and did not tell her that word for word. But we wanted her to try to stop the begging she's done for the past 24 hrs and leave him alone and wait for him to come to her, if in fact he does. He has to know he's got the control right now and she will fight for them with all her might. I think he needs to be blindsided from her now that his mistress has gone to reconcile with her husband and his plan to go off with her is shot.
Um, I'm not seeing it. He's got two feet on a banana peel and has just wreaked major havoc in his life. Well, all their lives, but especially his own. Not much control there if you ask me. :lmao:

Others are right. You should forget about offering "advice" and just be there for her and the kids if they need help. Advice should be FIRST from a lawyer. Like yesterday. And then she needs to dry her tears and start being smart.

I know you're a religious person, which is fine, but in a situation like this one has to fight fire with fire. She can get religious counseling later if she wants.
 
I think everyone needs to just stop and take a deep breath. What a lot of drama :eek:. If I were your neighbor, I would sit tight (no leaving the house overnight, I would stay there and stand my ground). She needs to look over their finances if she doesn't already know what they have or owe. I don't know about them all running to the pastor and his wife, that may not be the best place to get counsel. I think your friend needs to take a time out and not do anything rash. People can do crazy things in the middle of family drama, just encourage her to take this one day at a time and think about protecting herself and her kids, not necessarily the marriage.
 
She needs to get a lawyer ASAP! She has to protect herself and her kids. Her god isn't going to help her when she's on the street corner with a homeless sign while her ex is out having a grand time with his floozy. There's a time to be spiritual and a time to be 'witch' and this is the time to be the latter.
 
I agree, she needs to see a lawyer. I am sure she is scared, her marriage is crumbling and her world is falling apart. She is a SAHM and she is wondering if she will become destitute. That is the phrase my sister kept saying to me over and over again. She was in shock and scared.

Going to see the minister and his wife...I guess that is fine but certainly not where I'd be headed and I'm a Christian who goes to church and has had the same minister for 20 years. I had a friend go to HER minister and some of what the DH convinced that minister of just made me shake my head. Cheating is NEVER right. You cannot justify it.

As a teen, my minister left his wife for the youth leader's wife. Oh yeah, nice church going people....They married and are still together. Of course, he is no longer a minister. But terrible things like this do happen.

Obviously, if the husband's GF has gone back to her DH to reconcile, and this man still wants out of the marriage, then he is very unhappy and will most likely move forward. Who knows whether the GF's marriage will survive this.

Your friend needs to seek legal counsel. I hope she gets over the begging. My sister begged too. I begged too. Ugh...I will never forget that pitiful moment of begging, pleading with my BIL not to leave our family and his family with 4 children. He left and that's been 5 years ago. His GF is graduating from school and moving in with him in May. She is 20. Oh joy. Let the hurt and pain continue for his 4 children.

Be there for your friend but please offer to visit a lawyer with her.
 
This morning I had a text from her that came at 1am saying they came home together, talks at their pastor's home went well, and she'd connect with me today. I hope that means a certain amount of peace was made enough to continue the next step of the journey today.

I'm not a religious person. I do not attend church. I do not read the bible. But I do believe in God and have a deep spirituality. My friend is very religious and looks to god to help her lead her life. When crisis has happened in her life, she has always fallen back on her beliefs to help guide her and they have always helped. Even yesterday as her friends were telling her to leave, get away from him, she did some praying and reflection in order to make the right decision for her. That led her to her friend, the pastor's wife and the next change of positive events happened. We can tell her and tells her to leave him, get a lawyer, etc, but that's never going to be her path. When the immediate emotion simmers in the next day or so, we can bring the legal aspects to her attention, help build her up, and help guide her in. a direction that protects her legally. Right now, I hope she got sleep, can finally eat something today, and can take a deep breath. I'll again let her know I'm here for what she needs, ask about providing meals/help around the house/with the boys/etc, and as always just a pair of ears to listen and a hug.
 
This morning I had a text from her that came at 1am saying they came home together, talks at their pastor's home went well, and she'd connect with me today. I hope that means a certain amount of peace was made enough to continue the next step of the journey today.

I'm not a religious person. I do not attend church. I do not read the bible. But I do believe in God and have a deep spirituality. My friend is very religious and looks to god to help her lead her life. When crisis has happened in her life, she has always fallen back on her beliefs to help guide her and they have always helped. Even yesterday as her friends were telling her to leave, get away from him, she did some praying and reflection in order to make the right decision for her. That led her to her friend, the pastor's wife and the next change of positive events happened. We can tell her and tells her to leave him, get a lawyer, etc, but that's never going to be her path. When the immediate emotion simmers in the next day or so, we can bring the legal aspects to her attention, help build her up, and help guide her in. a direction that protects her legally. Right now, I hope she got sleep, can finally eat something today, and can take a deep breath. I'll again let her know I'm here for what she needs, ask about providing meals/help around the house/with the boys/etc, and as always just a pair of ears to listen and a hug.

You are a good friend. :thumbsup2

I have a church going friend who had an affair for several years. :eek::faint: I had no idea what she was doing. Her husband stuck by her and their marriage is better than ever at this point. However, the difference to me for your friend is neither one of these spouses mentioned divorce. Your friend's DH did and that is why I think she needs to be ready to seek legal advice.

Her husband may decide to stick it out. Or, since his GF went back to her husband, he'll stick around until the next fling comes along but there is no one to be with if he leaves today. Sad, but true. People hang around, even if unhappy, because they do not want to be a lone. I wish they'd leave and then find someone else if they are that unhappy. :worried:
 
You are very sweet, but stay out of it. pixiedust: I'd just make sure my car and my doors are locked. Really, stay out of it. I still shake my head at the story of my ex going to my girlfriend's house and crying to them. They were, um, uncomfortable. 16 years later, they still bring it up how ackward it was when we get to drinking and joking around. ;) Um, Happy Easter DISers!

Best advice. I can remember SIL many years ago calling me to come over and talk to her husband. Basically told her I felt sorry about the situation but my priority is my wife and I didn't have the time.

Best thing I ever did.

After 38 years they got divorced. Could you imagine if I got involved? 38 years of unwanted drama on my part. Talking to here husband would have been a full time job. Something my wife would not have appreciated.
 
This is exactly why it is sensitive, people want people to seek out attorney's. God already knows and is in control.

Why would she want to beg and plead with someone to stay with her when he has made it clear he doesn't want her? All she is doing is making herself look pathetic and desperate.

The woman needs the best attorney she can find.
 
Why would she want to beg and plead with someone to stay with her when he has made it clear he doesn't want her? All she is doing is making herself look pathetic and desperate.

The woman needs the best attorney she can find.

Sounds like it is being worked out, and I see things differently than you.
 
I hope, sincerely hope they are able to work thru their problems and stay together, to many marriages break up as soon as there is 1 problem and to this end it is great that she has the ministers wife to help her deal with the emotional end of things BUT She needs to put on her big girl pants and grow up and become an adult and know what is going on with her finances and her future and her children's. Whether they are together 2 more months or 50 years.

She needs to see a lawyer to find out what she is responsible for and her rights. She needs to know everything about their paperwork, investments, taxes, debts. The ministers wife can't do that for her, unless it is more of a cult than I hope it is!!

Stay together, work on the marriage, forgive each other, wonderful but don't keep your head in the sand, get educated and be an equal adult partner in the finance end of things. Will the ministers wife help if she finds out he has been committing tax fraud and you are held responsible to because you signed the return he did every year?

His mention of bankruptcy makes this a much more complicated thing than just a "I cheated can we get past this" crisis. Especially if she didn't know they were that bad off.

Seeing a lawyer does not mean you are getting a divorce, it is only to protect yourself.
 
I think that finding out why he had an affair is important too. That is if they plan to rebuild.

I wish her well.
 
I hope, sincerely hope they are able to work thru their problems and stay together, to many marriages break up as soon as there is 1 problem and to this end it is great that she has the ministers wife to help her deal with the emotional end of things BUT She needs to put on her big girl pants and grow up and become an adult and know what is going on with her finances and her future and her children's. Whether they are together 2 more months or 50 years.

She needs to see a lawyer to find out what she is responsible for and her rights. She needs to know everything about their paperwork, investments, taxes, debts. The ministers wife can't do that for her, unless it is more of a cult than I hope it is!!

Stay together, work on the marriage, forgive each other, wonderful but don't keep your head in the sand, get educated and be an equal adult partner in the finance end of things. Will the ministers wife help if she finds out he has been committing tax fraud and you are held responsible to because you signed the return he did every year?

His mention of bankruptcy makes this a much more complicated thing than just a "I cheated can we get past this" crisis. Especially if she didn't know they were that bad off.

Seeing a lawyer does not mean you are getting a divorce, it is only to protect yourself.

What I bolded is the big reason why she needs a lawyer. Huge red flag. I was once very ignorant about money and finances. Never, ever again! Never believe it when someone says 'oh honey, don't worry, everything is fine and I'll take care of it all' because usually it's not fine and nothing is taken care of.
 
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See the sharkiest lawyer in town ASAP! She does NOT have to retain them but if she meets with him, HE can't hire them.

Get copies of everything! Tax returns, insurance policies, bank statements, credit card bills...all if it...right now. Today.

Only remove items of sentimental value (like if she has her grandmothers wedding ring - type stuff.)

She needs to 180 him (read about it.) it will be the only chance. Right now her begging & pleading is unattractive.

I've btdt. I promise her, it'll get better! She doesn't have to make any decisions tonight. She has time. Just get the info & put it somewhere safe.

The red flags to me are the man wanting to file for divorce and bankruptcy. Is that his way of thinking he can leave this marriage in the past without the responsibility of contributing to the mortgage, car payments, family bills, health insurance and child support? Plenty of folks participate in church but it's only window-dressing for them. The man is a heel in any culture or religion. What would he have to offer someone else if he was bankrupt? How would he impress another lady when she realizes the financial devastation he left for his ex-wife and kids.

This is only the very start of a long process. It takes time to sort out emotions, and brace up to separation and divorce. You can be a friend and listen, but not much more for now. Perhaps try to watch her kids at times or lend her a car on occasion. She must put her big girl pants on, pack his things and kick him out. Begging a heel to stay is so demeaning to the wife, and believe me, you can't hide a broken marriage from the kids. Let the chips fall for him. Meanwhile she might eventually have to move if they don't have much money. But get legal advice first. There is usually Legal Aid available in most areas. My daughter went there when she left her husband and they were very helpful and economical. Legal Aid could be of assistance to your friend for a formal separation agreement and legal documents to address family expenses and child support. Might also be of use against his proposed bankruptcy. Good luck to her and the kids.

The two bolded statements were my thoughts as well... I see that her text to you had some positive things in it but there is nothing wrong with her getting a little piece of mind to hold onto while they try to figure things out. The fact that his mistress went back to her husband would make me wonder (for a very long time) why he would be willing to work on it now. Is it only because he has nobody to leave her for?

Trust is something that once broken can NEVER be put back together the same way again.
 

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