Freedom to Marry Day Protest Planned

[JoeEpcotRocks]

I’m not sure what you’re referring to, but I don’t support failed marriages, divorces, spousal abuse, and other such things… To your second point, I wasn’t talking about the government in that particular case, I was pointing out that if those who do not approve of gay marriage are ‘right wing nutjobs’, then the majority of the population would be right wing nutjobs.



I don’t think people are quite that stupid…I think most are quite capable of having a well thought through opinion on the matter.



But it didn’t exist in Massachusetts until recently when the libs in that state got their way. What does marriage have to be between a man and a woman? Marriage has to be between a man and a woman because that is what marriage is! Seriously, I know you’re ‘garriage’ thing was a joke…but I know a lot of people opposing gay marriage who wouldn’t necessarily be opposed to something like that. Many folks don’t really care about gay unions, though they may personally find homosexuality ‘wrong’, but to many the issue is about changing the word ‘marriage’ is the biggest thing (kind of like a “come up with your own word” sort of thing…you know, marriage could continue to be a man and a woman, garraige could be two same sex couples! LOL). But really, marriage means a lot to many people and it is not just something you can change casually without people getting emotional and upset.



Once again, the only reason Gay marriage is law in Massachusetts is because the Liberals there got their way and just recently changed it. Conservatives are trying to reverse it back to its original and true meaning.



What ‘right’ is fighting to be protected? A right that has never existed? Not to mention, ‘marriage’ isn’t even a right!



Well so much for being tolerant. Not only are you intolerant of my own religious and personal beliefs, you seem to be intolerant of all Christian beliefs…unless calling them ‘fairytales’ is what you call being ‘tolerant’…?



I’m not imposing any belief on anyone. They are imposing it on us by trying to change OUR definition. As I said, come up with your own ‘union’/name- but ‘marriage’ is copyrighted and already defined: 1 man, 1 woman.



Epcot has evolved and changed throughout its history, but who would support one day declaring “Future World” as “Jungle Land”? There is a difference between evolving, and completely changing the idea and meaning of a word.



Listen…we could go on all day (and all night, and probably all of tomorrow and the next day!). I know this argument has been brought up time and time again here on the DIS; yet, I don’t know one person who has reversed their position on the subject. My own personal and religious views mean that I cannot support changing the definition of marriage. I also feel, as many do, that homosexuality is wrong. I really don’t like the ‘evil’ rhetoric from the left because it’s just completely false…I think supporting strong families, healthy children, and strong values is a good thing. I actually do know gay people and I don’t have much of a problem with them as people…but my beliefs mean that I cannot support changing the definition of marriage for them. We’re just going to have to accept each other’s differences and opinions.

Very well said!

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

It is not love to discriminate against people.

The issue is a matter of right and wrong and whether society should be forced to accept a new moral code re homosexuality.

 

[RickinNYC]

The issue is a matter of right and wrong and whether society should be forced to accept a new moral code re homosexuality.

Gay people aren't forcing you to accept a new moral code. We just want your kind to keep your belief system out of our bedrooms.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Gay marriage bans are absolutely being pursued by freakish right-wing nutjobs (I don't like to call people like them Christians because it insults Christians) to bring conservatives to the polls. Worked in 2004, actually, quite well. It's also a knee-jerk reaction to the slow spread of gay marriage in other places in the world. Eventually our country will catch up.

And there are conservative Christians who do think gays should be allowed to marry. Why? They happen to think it's none of their business what other people do as long as it doesn't bug them. Funny, isn't it?

Emphais mine.

Since homosexual activists want gay "marriage" pushed thru the courts instead of by voting, you must be assuming that at least 51% of the voters are "freakish right-wing nutjobs". Tolerance for the millions who dare to disagree??

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Gay people aren't forcing you to accept a new moral code. We just want your kind to keep your belief system out of our bedrooms.

Then keep your beliefs in the bedroom only and out of our society.

 

[L107ANGEL]

Gay people aren't forcing you to accept a new moral code. We just want your kind to keep your belief system out of our bedrooms.

 

[magicmato]

The issue is a matter of right and wrong and whether society should be forced to accept a new moral code re homosexuality.

Funny... where is your moral outrage at society changing to accept such sins as divorce and pre-marital sex? What about society changing to allow races to co-mingle? Where is your moral outrage at THAT? Look back through the centuries and you will find many issues that those living at that time were "morally outraged" about, yet here we are, accepting those things...

Heck, I am wearing pants and a short sleeved shirt... will you be sending the police to come and arrest me for not covering myself from neck to floor? Does that upset your moral senses? Go back a hundred or more years and it probably would have.

 

[RickinNYC]

Then keep your beliefs in the bedroom only and out of our society.

Sorry but that aint gonna happen sweatheart.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Aww, but you see a thief can not steal, an alcholic can stop drinking, these are choices. Homosexuality is not a choice.

You are assuming it is a choice.

 

[jimmiej]

And yet, if you look in the bible, the definition of "marriage" *has* changed. Funny how no one ever mentions that. Yep, we have had "marriage" remain the same for a few hundred years... and? Change happens and this too shall change.

Man's definition may have changed, but I don't think God's definition did. Maybe you can find some passage where God said something different than He did in Genesis 2:24. I'd be interested to see what you come up with.

 

[RickinNYC]

Funny... where is your moral outrage at society changing to accept such sins as divorce and pre-marital sex? What about society changing to allow races to co-mingle? Where is your moral outrage at THAT? Look back through the centuries and you will find many issues that those living at that time were "morally outraged" about, yet here we are, accepting those things...

Heck, I am wearing pants and a short sleeved shirt... will you be sending the police to come and arrest me for not covering myself from neck to floor? Does that upset your moral senses? Go back a hundred or more years and it probably would have.

Divorce and pre-marital sex don't gross him out. No matter what certain folks say, they're using the Bible to hide the fact that it's really the "yucky" factor in question.

And if I'm to hell for being gay, I have no doubt whatsoever that they are the very same folks that will be greeting me with a Welcome fruit basket.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Sorry but that aint gonna happen sweatheart.

Not going to happen on my side of the argument either, big guy.

 

[RickinNYC]

Not going to happen on my side of the argument either, big guy.

Yes it is sweetie! Yes it is! It's already started and will continue no matter what folks with your beliefs think. And thank GOD for that!

 

[magicmato]

Then keep your beliefs in the bedroom only and out of our society.

I bet if someone said you should keep your beliefs in your church and out of society, you would say they were being bigots/small minded/discriminatory, eh?

 

[crcormier]

Then keep your beliefs in the bedroom only and out of our society.

How come your beliefs trump Rick's as far as how society should be?

 

[magicmato]

Man's definition may have changed, but I don't think God's definition did. Maybe you can find some passage where God said something different than He did in Genesis 2:24. I'd be interested to see what you come up with.

Considering that I do not live *my* life by what the Bible says, why should I find a passage? We have freedom of religion here, so what the Bible says, does not really matter when we are talking human and civil rights.

 

[magicmato]

Divorce and pre-marital sex don't gross him out. No matter what certain folks say, they're using the Bible to hide the fact that it's really the "yucky" factor in question.

And if I'm to hell for being gay, I have no doubt whatsoever that they are the very same folks that will be greeting me with a Welcome fruit basket.

Well, we can have a party... I will be there with you, since I am not actively worshiping within the religion to which I was baptised.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

I bet if someone said you should keep your beliefs in your church and out of society, you would say they were being bigots/small minded/discriminatory, eh?

My comment was in response to the posters implication that I should.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

How come your beliefs trump Rick's as far as how society should be?

Ok let society vote.

 

[magicmato]

My comment was in response to the posters implication that I should.

Gotcha... if someone implies something you think is discriminatory, it is OK to say something right back at them. Guess that is the "eye for an eye" philosophy instead of the "turn the other cheek"?

Not that it matters. Give us another decade and gay marriage will be legalized.