Freedom to Marry Day Protest Planned

[Andy B]

As an aside I see that John Amaechi the British former NBA player has just announced that he is gay, only the sixth male professional sportsman from one of the USA's main 4 sports to do so. Good for him he can come back here and get married!

 

[Andy B]

You're talking about two different things.

in·sti·tu·tion –noun 1. an establishment, foundation

God established marriage as one man/one woman from the beginning. God's laws concerning sexual morality came later (& none of them contradicted His original plan).

Marriage may be and institution, but who wants to live in an institution.

 

[LisaL]

Marriage may be and institution, but who wants to live in an institution.

 

[jimmiej]

Marriage may be and institution, but who wants to live in an institution.

Good point!

 

[KAHNNA]

No hate here.

God and I want what's best for all His children.

I will not jump on the bandwagon of those who encourage people to leave God's path for an immoral lifestyle.

As a christian who have sinned in the past and will sin in the present ( I love penny slots what can I say), I know in my heart that GOD loves all of us regardless of our sexual preferences.

I fornicated with my husband before we were married.

I cursed in the past and have cursed in the present when I'm pissed.

I gamble.

I have gotten drunk before(not telling how many times)

I have said things that I know in my heart were wrong and asked GOD for forgiveness.

My point is that WE ALL SIN Joe. You have a right to your opinion on the matter just like me and everyone else, but the way you go about it so wrong. You have no right to judge people who's lifestyles are different. Hell I don't agree with same sex marriage either -BUT- it doesn't mean I'm going to hurt someone because of my beliefs.

I love my GOD just as much as you love yours. I love him so much that if it ever came to my state granting same sex marriage I wouldn't go against it. A year ago it would have been a different story, but today I see things differently. People believe that same sex marriage is destructive to heterosexual marriages which is nothing but a bunch of crock in my opinion. If a hetro couple divorce, it has nothing to do with gay people, it has to do with problems that already existed in the marriage.

The only difference between you and a gay person is your sexual preference. Other than that your're no better than Rick, me or anyone else who views are different than yours. I do think you need to realize that only GOD decides who goes to heaven and hell. He looks at the type of heart you have and how you treat others. If you think that spewing hatred and malice towards the Gay lifestyle is his work than your're misguided and need to seek a preacher who speaks the truth anddd open your mind and ask yourself is GOD pleased with me, my attitude towards people and their choices who may be different than mine. I really believe that if your're a true christian, you can't say hateful things and sleep a peaceful night without your words bothering you.

That said, there are alot of HOLIER THAN THOU christians with hateful hearts in this world who think they have a first class ticket to heaven because they preach the word, go to church every Sunday and think they know everything about the bible, but in reality if you don't change your ways, your're going to blow hell wide open if you don't stop.

Treat people like you want to be treated.


Peace

 

[jimmiej]

Yeah, thats my God too. Not to mention the one who teaches love, peace, kindness, generosity, humility, and reconciliation.

You forgot one...judgement.

 

[L107ANGEL]

As a christian who have sinned in the past and will sin in the present ( I love penny slots what can I say), I know in my heart that GOD loves all of us regardless of our sexual preferences.

I fornicated with my husband before we were married.

I cursed in the past and have cursed in the present when I'm pissed.

I gamble.

I have gotten drunk before(not telling how many times)

I have said things that I know in my heart were wrong and asked GOD for forgiveness.

My point is that WE ALL SIN Joe. You have a right to your opinion on the matter just like me and everyone else, but the way you go about it so wrong. You have no right to judge people who's lifestyles are different. Hell I don't agree with same sex marriage either -BUT- it doesn't mean I'm going to hurt someone because of my beliefs.

I love my GOD just as much as you love yours. I love him so much that if it ever came to my state granting same sex marriage I wouldn't go against it. A year ago it would have been a different story, but today I see things differently. People believe that same sex marriage is destructive to heterosexual marriages which is nothing but a bunch of crock in my opinion. If a hetro couple divorce, it has nothing to do with gay people, it has to do with problems that already existed in the marriage.

The only difference between you and a gay person is your sexual preference. Other than that your're no better than Rick, me or anyone else who views are different than yours. I do think you need to realize that only GOD decides who goes to heaven and hell. He looks at the type of heart you have and how you treat others. If you think that spewing hatred and malice towards the Gay lifestyle is his work than your're misguided and need to seek a preacher who speaks the truth anddd open your mind and ask yourself is GOD pleased with me, my attitude towards people and their choices who may be different than mine. I really believe that if your're a true christian, you can't say hateful things and sleep a peaceful night without your words bothering you.

That said, there are alot of HOLIER THAN THOU christians with hateful hearts in this world who think they have a first class ticket to heaven because they preach the word, go to church every Sunday and think they know everything about the bible, but in reality if you don't change your ways, your're going to blow hell wide open if you don't stop.

Treat people like you want to be treated.


Peace

That deserves repeating.

For those who don't know I met Rick and Joe last summer when we were volunteering at a homeless shelter (and another amazing and funny diser and her DH).
DD knew Rick and Joe were life partners, but had little first hand knowledge of this type of love. Yes its love, not confusion, not a choice, not trying to be different!
Anyway, we had the best time together!! Do you know that the other Diser was there on her wedding anniversary? Thats really kind, I don't care who you are!
Anyway, my then 13 yo DD and I took a bus 3 hours out and 3 hours back. It was to teach her many things.
To be gratefull, she got it! As we were going into the city she was looking out the window and looked at me wide eyed with tears and said "I just saw a man sleeping on the street with a newspaper as a blanket". I nodded and said "I know" and put my arm around her.
To be ready for friendship, I walked off that bus and felt panic!!!! I never met Joe and he was there to not only get me, but my DD as well. As my eyes darted around in sheer panic, my dd and Joe looked at me with amusement, she set eyes on him, he on her and they knew from the brief picture that Rick and I exchanged were found! Yet they both took a moment to watch be panic and then laughed together like long time friends!
Do good!!! This is so important!! We listened to Rick tell us about the organization and looked at my DD and saw in her face, this was really hitting home with her. It was overwhelming, I knew I would never forget that moment that I saw a spark for charity shine in my DDs eyes!
After we were done we went for lunch and had a great time!!!
By the time DD and I were back on the bus we read a book Joe recommended at the book store and were tired, but we couldn't sleep.
DD then started asking questions, I answered the best I could.
DD asked me,that afternoon, "Mom why can't Joe and Rick marry?" We talked and talked!
I told her my thoughts and she simply absorbed the information.
Weeks later I was at a 4th ofJuly party and a good friend asked her about a purse she had.
DD came off with how I took a bus into the city to meet some guy she knows online, we painted a homeless shelter etc, and how my Mom says the government and religious leaders "ned to stay out of our bedroom"
It was not a comfortable moment for me as it happened, but till this day I am very proud of her.
My point is, I come from a very conservative region, relatives etc. Open your mind and your heart! What bad can come from that?

ETA: When I refer to Joe, I mean Ricks hot partner, not our Joeepcotrocks

 

[Mysteria]

Kahnna, Angel (and I'm sure others with similar opinions but I haven't read the whole thread) bravo!!

Myst

 

[FroggyinArk]

ya know i have nt read much of this thread, but i am also one of those christians, that gets forgiven, pretty often, and i do think samesex marriage is between the two people involved, not between the church and the state.


and yes i also know rick a nd joe, we met at wdw last august to celebbrate thier 40'th birthdays. and we had a blast, and we will travel together again. Those two are reaally special.

 

[RickinNYC]

Linda and Frog, you both brought some serious tears to my eyes this morning. Thank you guys so much.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Jenny-

I have thought of you often since your ordeal started recently, and the healthy respect I had for you prior to that has only grown exponentionally since.

I think you are an incredibly strong person who carries herself with tremendous class and grace, and the enormous outpouring of support flowing to you from all corners of the DIS only reaffirms to me the good nature of most people.

Please know that I consider myself lucky to be one of the people who have gotten to know you through these threads.

My apologies to everyone else for the temporary hijack of the thread to deliver a blatantly personal message.

Thanks MuggMan.I realy needed some kind words today..I'm not feeling very srong right now.I feel like I'm hanging on by a thread..The last 3 days have been really rough ones.

 

[L107ANGEL]

Linda and Frog, you both brought some serious tears to my eyes this morning. Thank you guys so much.

 

[crcormier]

Thanks MuggMan.I realy needed some kind words today..I'm not feeling very srong right now.I feel like I'm hanging on by a thread..The last 3 days have been really rough ones.

 

[JunieJay]

You forgot one...judgement.

Maybe your God. Mine teaches me to not stand in judgement of others.

 

[magicmato]

Whenever I read threads where people aretrying to convince others that *theirs* is the ONE AND ONLY God, it really makes me think of two children:

Child 1: Mine is better than yours.
Child 2: Oh yeah, well mine says yours is false.
Child 1: No way! If you do not believe in mine, you will go to hell!
Child 2: No sir! Mine is the one true God and I am telling mom that you are not respecting MY God! MOM!

LMAO!

 

[jimmiej]

Maybe your God. Mine teaches me to not stand in judgement of others.

Knee-jerk reaction. Go back & read again. My post was in reply to another speaking of the teachings of Jesus. The poster cited love, peace, kindness, generosity, humility, and reconciliation. I then said, Jesus also taught about judgement. Please read carefully before responding to something I did not say.

 

[Fitswimmer]

You forgot one...judgement.

God judges. WE do not stand in judgement of others. It's in the New Testament in the Bible on my desk.

 

[jimmiej]

Whenever I read threads where people aretrying to convince others that *theirs* is the ONE AND ONLY God, it really makes me think of two children:

Child 1: Mine is better than yours.
Child 2: Oh yeah, well mine says yours is false.
Child 1: No way! If you do not believe in mine, you will go to hell!
Child 2: No sir! Mine is the one true God and I am telling mom that you are not respecting MY God! MOM!

LMAO!

Actually, I don't think we've been talking about different gods. This has been pretty much a Christian/Biblical discussion. The disagreement is about what God actually says & what, if anything it means to the OP.

 

[JunieJay]

Knee-jerk reaction. Go back & read again. My post was in reply to another speaking of the teachings of Jesus. The poster cited love, peace, kindness, generosity, humility, and reconciliation. I then said, Jesus also taught about judgement. Please read carefully before responding to something I did not say.

Huh? I was the person who mentioned love, peace, kindness, generosity, humility, and reconcilation. You quoted me, and your reply was that I forgot about judgement. You made no mention of Jesus. Since I'm the person who wrote the post, I was merely pointing out I didn't forget anything. Seems like you might be the one who needs to read carefully, not me.

 

[jimmiej]

God judges. WE do not stand in judgement of others. It's in the New Testament in the Bible on my desk.

See post #836.