Freedom to Marry Day Protest Planned

[LisaL]

That is truly sweet. I love Depeche because they remind me of one of my best friends. We used to listen to them a lot in the lunchroom. We were soooo filled with faux teenaged angst and they were a big part of our sound track.

When I was in high school, the only way to get DM music was through the underground. And the angst was real... it was real... And still one of my favorites...

 

[basas]

1. If that is all marriage is for you should read the post several pages ago. Almost all marriage would be done away with.
2.Governmant isnt always a majority , it is there to protect the rights of the minorites as well.

I’m not sure what you’re referring to, but I don’t support failed marriages, divorces, spousal abuse, and other such things… To your second point, I wasn’t talking about the government in that particular case, I was pointing out that if those who do not approve of gay marriage are ‘right wing nutjobs’, then the majority of the population would be right wing nutjobs.

Most people who are against gay marriage have a knee-jerk reaction to the idea. But I'd say they don't think about it much until the idea's presented to them. They can be swayed. I've seen it happen, especially once they actually, you know, MEET a gay person and get to know them well (not as casual acquaintances). The nutjobs are the ones who get so worked up over it that they have to start to pass laws to ban it. ZOMG! The gays love each other and want to make a commitment! Call the police! EEEK!

I don’t think people are quite that stupid…I think most are quite capable of having a well thought through opinion on the matter.

Gay marriage exists in Massachusetts. Conservatives want the status quo. I'd just like to know why marriage has to be between a man and a woman. There are marriages where lots of women get married to one man. So why not two women or two men? What's your problem with it except this silly fight over semantics? How about we call it garriage? You know, combine the words gay and marriage? Isn't it cute?

Isn't your argument positively ridiculous?

But it didn’t exist in Massachusetts until recently when the libs in that state got their way. What does marriage have to be between a man and a woman? Marriage has to be between a man and a woman because that is what marriage is! Seriously, I know you’re ‘garriage’ thing was a joke…but I know a lot of people opposing gay marriage who wouldn’t necessarily be opposed to something like that. Many folks don’t really care about gay unions, though they may personally find homosexuality ‘wrong’, but to many the issue is about changing the word ‘marriage’ is the biggest thing (kind of like a “come up with your own word” sort of thing…you know, marriage could continue to be a man and a woman, garraige could be two same sex couples! LOL). But really, marriage means a lot to many people and it is not just something you can change casually without people getting emotional and upset.

Gay marriage is currently the law in Massachusetts. Conservatives are working to take it away. You are getting your basic facts wrong here.

Once again, the only reason Gay marriage is law in Massachusetts is because the Liberals there got their way and just recently changed it. Conservatives are trying to reverse it back to its original and true meaning.

This is not about semantics and to boil this very important human rights issue down to dictionary definitions is just naive and simple.

As I mentioned before, right now it's fine for you (the general you, who voted to ban gay marriage all over the country) but someday it will be you (again, general) in the minority fighting to protect your rights from the mob. I find the tunnel vision unbelievably sad.

What ‘right’ is fighting to be protected? A right that has never existed? Not to mention, ‘marriage’ isn’t even a right!

I really try to be tolerant of other beliefs, but I just cannot stand by and let people get by with the above nonsense. Frankly, your fairytale means absolutely nothing to me, nothing. I fail to see why your fairytale should dictate the love and sex lives of thousands and thousands of people who do not believe in your fairytale.



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Well so much for being tolerant. Not only are you intolerant of my own religious and personal beliefs, you seem to be intolerant of all Christian beliefs…unless calling them ‘fairytales’ is what you call being ‘tolerant’…?

Same way that "all of a sudden" people realized that the Earth was NOT the center of the universe and that it was NOT in fact flat. We grow up as a culture, we become less steeped in superstition and we open our minds to something other than our own self interests. You are free to think whatever you want about homosexuality, but you are NOT free to impose that belief on other people.

I’m not imposing any belief on anyone. They are imposing it on us by trying to change OUR definition. As I said, come up with your own ‘union’/name- but ‘marriage’ is copyrighted and already defined: 1 man, 1 woman.

Give me a break, the history of marriage has changed and evolved and doesn't even mean the same thing from culture to culture today. Marriage is not some ancient bedrock of unchanged history.

Epcot has evolved and changed throughout its history, but who would support one day declaring “Future World” as “Jungle Land”? There is a difference between evolving, and completely changing the idea and meaning of a word.



Listen…we could go on all day (and all night, and probably all of tomorrow and the next day!). I know this argument has been brought up time and time again here on the DIS; yet, I don’t know one person who has reversed their position on the subject. My own personal and religious views mean that I cannot support changing the definition of marriage. I also feel, as many do, that homosexuality is wrong. I really don’t like the ‘evil’ rhetoric from the left because it’s just completely false…I think supporting strong families, healthy children, and strong values is a good thing. I actually do know gay people and I don’t have much of a problem with them as people…but my beliefs mean that I cannot support changing the definition of marriage for them. We’re just going to have to accept each other’s differences and opinions.

 

[iloveboardwalk]

That is truly sweet. I love Depeche because they remind me of one of my best friends. We used to listen to them a lot in the lunchroom. We were soooo filled with faux teenaged angst and they were a big part of our sound track.

ahhhh, teenaged angst, I almost miss it.

(but it comes with pimples!)

 

[mking624]

Actually, I disagree with this. I think christinaity is VERY "carrot on a stick" It's believe this and get eternal life or DON'T believe it and burn in hell for eternity.


I think it's why this issue is so heated, because most honest with themselves Christians think they are doing man kind a favor by trying to force them into the religion, otherwise the heathens will go to hell.

My very, very born again brother will, with the sincerest of intentions, tell me, his mostly agnostic sister, that I am going to go to hell. He's so damn sure of it and he's so sincere in his concern for me that I just can't be mad at him for it. He really, really believes it. Let's face it, if someone believes that the bible is the word of god, what else can they believe? I just don't believe it, I really don't, and believe me, I tried to MAKE myself believe it, but it's like putting the toothpase back in the tube, once I doubted, it was all over. So, coming from it, brought up in it, I understand the fervor, but I cannot abide by blatant discrimination nor can I abide by bigots using this religion, with it's good intentions, to be so hateful.

I think what you and I are talking about are two different things. Christians have their beliefs on heaven and hell just like any other religion. I am not talking about that. What I am talking about is exactly what I said...that people should not be forced/threatened into Christianity. While I might disagree with your beliefs, it's not my place to sit here and condemn you to hell. I can, however, be an example of what I believe is right and even share why I believe it is right should it be the right time and place for it. I would never sit here on the computer or even in person with you and then try to force you to believe what I do by condemning you, hating you, and stomping on you. How can a person win someone over on ANYTHING with that kind of mentality? Christians believe that they have no condemnation in Christ. Likewise people should find no condemnation in Christians. Unfortunately, many people do find condemnation in Christians. I just want to state, that while I am a born again Christian and do disagree with much that has been said, I would never condemn any of you...it's not my place. I have enough to worry about with my own walk, let alone try to walk for someone else. All I can do is try to be the best example of Christ's love that I can be. And hopefully that will be enough to shine brighter than those who claim to follow Christ, yet feel the need to feel such hate. So many Christians need to remember that it's quite possible to "hate the sin, and love the sinner." My disagreement with something would never prevent me from befriending someone and being there for them. Same way that I would hope that someone disagreeing with my beliefs wouldn't stop them from befriending me. I have such a wonderful example in my own family with this. One of my aunts is an athiest, another is a lesbian. And yet we've all come to realize that while we might disagree with one another, we're sitll family, and we will always be there for each other.

 

[iloveboardwalk]

Listen…we could go on all day (and all night, and probably all of tomorrow and the next day!). I know this argument has been brought up time and time again here on the DIS; yet, I don’t know one person who has reversed their position on the subject. My own personal and religious views mean that I cannot support changing the definition of marriage.

Since you insist on making this about the definition of a word, I've already pointed out to you that the WORD marriage has many different definitions, it always had. No one is asking you to change your own "personal" definition of marriage. They are telling you that you have no right to impose your definition of everyone else. The government santioned institution of marriage is about property, visitation custody and inheritance rights. The MORAL definition of marriage from church to church would nothave to change. YOUR church could still only marry one man and one woman. But the GOVERNEMNT has no right to impse such a discriminatory definition.

I also feel, as many do, that homosexuality is wrong. I really don’t like the ‘evil’ rhetoric from the left because it’s just completely false…I think supporting strong families, healthy children, and strong values is a good thing. I actually do know gay people and I don’t have much of a problem with them as people…but my beliefs mean that I cannot support changing the definition of marriage for them. We’re just going to have to accept each other’s differences and opinions.

I certainly accept your difference of opinion. However I do NOT accept you or anyone else forcing that opinion, through the force of law through mob rule on the rest of the country.

 

[iloveboardwalk]

I think what you and I are talking about are two different things. Christians have their beliefs on heaven and hell just like any other religion. I am not talking about that. What I am talking about is exactly what I said...that people should not be forced/threatened into Christianity. While I might disagree with your beliefs, it's not my place to sit here and condemn you to hell. I can, however, be an example of what I believe is right and even share why I believe it is right should it be the right time and place for it. I would never sit here on the computer or even in person with you and then try to force you to believe what I do by condemning you, hating you, and stomping on you. How can a person win someone over on ANYTHING with that kind of mentality? Christians believe that they have no condemnation in Christ. Likewise people should find no condemnation in Christians. Unfortunately, many people do find condemnation in Christians. I just want to state, that while I am a born again Christian and do disagree with much that has been said, I would never condemn any of you...it's not my place. I have enough to worry about with my own walk, let alone try to walk for someone else. All I can do is try to be the best example of Christ's love that I can be. And hopefully that will be enough to shine brighter than those who claim to follow Christ, yet feel the need to feel such hate. So many Christians need to remember that it's quite possible to "hate the sin, and love the sinner." My disagreement with something would never prevent me from befriending someone and being there for them. Same way that I would hope that someone disagreeing with my beliefs wouldn't stop them from befriending me. I have such a wonderful example in my own family with this. One of my aunts is an athiest, another is a lesbian. And yet we've all come to realize that while we might disagree with one another, we're sitll family, and we will always be there for each other.

Well good, we agree. I don't disagree with many of the tenants of Christianity, particularly the golden rule and the "love thy neighbor" stuff. My own life is probably very similar to most average American Christians.

I'm just a striaght married gal with one boy and one girl in a normal sized house with one cat, three fish and ice cream in the freezer.

 

[mking624]

Well good, we agree. I don't disagree with many of the tenants of Christianity, particularly the golden rule and the "love thy neighbor" stuff. My own life is probably very similar to most average American Christians.

I'm just a striaght married gal with one boy and one girl in a normal sized house with one cat, three fish and ice cream in the freezer.

Ok, can I just say that I read this COMPLETELY wrong?!

 

[mamaprincess]

I just really and truly looovvvve when people bandy about the word values as if there is only one set of values. I mean I really love it. Say values and you are exonerated from your actions and how they affect other human beings. It's as though they believe the word values are like ruby slippers and if they say it three times then no one will notice the ugliness behind it. News flash people; values is not a cloak of invisibility neither is the bible. It is not an escape hatch that you can use when human beings demand fair and equitable treatment and you simply don't want to give them what they deserve as equal human beings.

We all have values WHO ARE YOU THAT YOURS SHOULD SUPERCEDE MINE???

 

[iloveboardwalk]

Ok, can I just say that I read this COMPLETELY wrong?!

Are you sure?? Maybe I'm having cat and fish for dinner this week!

 

[iloveboardwalk]

I just really and looovvvve when people bandy about the word values as if there is only one set of values. I mean I really love it. Say values and you are exonerated from your actions and how they affect other human beings. It's as though they believe the word values are like ruby slippers and if they say it three times then no one will notice the ugliness behind it. News flash people; values is not a cloak of invisibility neither is the bible. It is not an escape hatch that you can use when human beings demand fair and equitable treatment and you simply don't want to give them what they deserve as equal human beings.

We all have values WHO ARE YOU THAT YOURS SHOULD SUPERCEDE MINE???

I think hagaan daz chocolate peanutbutter ice cream should be a mandated weekly snack for everyone. I demand that the law go into effect immediately. I value chocolate AND peanutbutter! In MY version of the bible, chocolate and paenutbutter are the new bread and wine!

 

[mamaprincess]

OK, where is Uncle Remus???

 

[mamaprincess]

I think hagaan daz chocolate peanutbutter ice cream should be a mandated weekly snack for everyone. I demand that the law go into effect immediately. I value chocolate AND peanutbutter! In MY version of the bible, chocolate and paenutbutter are the new bread and wine!

No honey, peanut butter sticks to the roof of my mouth so it's going to have to be chocolate and coffee and make that Dunkin Donuts Coffee none of that starbucks junk!


Wait those break me out around my cycle so not toward the end of the month. I agree that the bread has to go. It bloats me. I like the juice at Boma's so maybe zebra domes and frunch.

 

[iloveboardwalk]

No honey, peanut butter sticks to the roof of my mouth so it's going to have to be chocolate and coffee and make that Dunkin Donuts Coffee none of that starbucks junk!


Wait those break me out around my cycle so not toward the end of the month. I agree that the bread has to go. It bloats me. I like the juice at Boma's so maybe zebra domes and frunch.

You are confusing me...so I'm going to watch Lost and American Idol on Tivo, with my ice cream, see ya'll later.

 

[PrincessTiff]

how can there be any "one true word" from "one true god" if there are so many versions floating around?

OK, where is Uncle Remus???

Now that the has been stirred, he's gone.

 

[Planogirl]

Again I ask, how does allowing gay marriage affect anyone else's life or belief system in any way? One can think that gay marriage is somehow wrong whether its allowed or not.

I really do wish that government would stay out of people's lives. Sure, protect the young and helpless but otherwise allow consenting adults to live the way they wish as long as they cause no harm to others. I see no harm of any kind in gay marriage.

 

[crazyforgoofy]

OK, where is Uncle Remus???

Hmmm, Uncle did disappear from his own party, didn't he? I'll just bet he's out causing trouble in some other briar patch or chasing the ladies again. That rascal!

 

[Andy B]

This pinko liberal will be there for his honeymoon in August. (After his Catholic wedding. And STILL a pinko liberal. )

That is if you can still get there after Joe has cast California into the Pacific.

 

[Andy B]

Are you sure?? Maybe I'm having cat and fish for dinner this week!

Surely it should be Fish and Chimps!

 

[Laura]

I don’t think people are quite that stupid…I think most are quite capable of having a well thought through opinion on the matter.

No, they're not stupid. I specifically said most people against gay marriage have a knee-jerk reaction to it because they just don't think about it that much. If they had to, they could be swayed to my side. You're purposely misinterpreting my posts. Like you're looking for an insult that isn't there.

But it didn’t exist in Massachusetts until recently when the libs in that state got their way. What does marriage have to be between a man and a woman? Marriage has to be between a man and a woman because that is what marriage is! Seriously, I know you’re ‘garriage’ thing was a joke…but I know a lot of people opposing gay marriage who wouldn’t necessarily be opposed to something like that. Many folks don’t really care about gay unions, though they may personally find homosexuality ‘wrong’, but to many the issue is about changing the word ‘marriage’ is the biggest thing (kind of like a “come up with your own word” sort of thing…you know, marriage could continue to be a man and a woman, garraige could be two same sex couples! LOL). But really, marriage means a lot to many people and it is not just something you can change casually without people getting emotional and upset.

What's wrong with changing the definition of marriage, anyway? What's so scary about it? Do you think it would affect you? It won't affect me. Besides, many people, I'm sure, think I'm not "married" to my husband because my wedding ceremony had no religion in it--depending on their religious beliefs. They have a different view of marriage than I do. It means different things to different people.

The whole "civil union" mallarkey is just more "separate but equal" BS.

Once again, the only reason Gay marriage is law in Massachusetts is because the Liberals there got their way and just recently changed it. Conservatives are trying to reverse it back to its original and true meaning.

Good for the "Liberals".

And I'll say it again--not all conservatives think as you do. Some actually believe government shouldn't impose specific beliefs on the citizens of the US.

What ‘right’ is fighting to be protected? A right that has never existed? Not to mention, ‘marriage’ isn’t even a right!

It's a privilege that's protected in the 14th Amendment of the Constitution. Being gay is not enough cause to revoke that privilege. Here it is again:

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Well so much for being tolerant. Not only are you intolerant of my own religious and personal beliefs, you seem to be intolerant of all Christian beliefs…unless calling them ‘fairytales’ is what you call being ‘tolerant’…?

And being tolerant means you can just pee all over the rights of people to marry those they love because you have some odd hang-up about dictionaries?

I’m not imposing any belief on anyone. They are imposing it on us by trying to change OUR definition. As I said, come up with your own ‘union’/name- but ‘marriage’ is copyrighted and already defined: 1 man, 1 woman.

Baloney. You are imposing your beliefs on people who would be legally married right now if they could be. Allowing gay marriage does NOTHING to your marriage (if you're married--I don't know) or your beliefs. The word marriage is not "copyrighted", as much as you like to think it is. It's in the public domain.

Epcot has evolved and changed throughout its history, but who would support one day declaring “Future World” as “Jungle Land”? There is a difference between evolving, and completely changing the idea and meaning of a word.

Words have always evolved and changed, become obsolete and taken entirely new meanings. (I've studied the history of the English language.) AndyB could also tell you that there are different interpretations of the words "spunk" and "pants" in his country that we don't use here in the USA.

Listen…we could go on all day (and all night, and probably all of tomorrow and the next day!). I know this argument has been brought up time and time again here on the DIS; yet, I don’t know one person who has reversed their position on the subject. My own personal and religious views mean that I cannot support changing the definition of marriage. I also feel, as many do, that homosexuality is wrong. I really don’t like the ‘evil’ rhetoric from the left because it’s just completely false…I think supporting strong families, healthy children, and strong values is a good thing. I actually do know gay people and I don’t have much of a problem with them as people…but my beliefs mean that I cannot support changing the definition of marriage for them. We’re just going to have to accept each other’s differences and opinions.

I know people who have changed their opinions on the subject. They start out thinking as you do, but they come around once they open their ears, eyes, hearts and minds. Apparently you just haven't yet. Heck, I used to be militantly anti-abortion until I figured out that I was imposing my personal beliefs on others. People evolve, just like words do.

Strong families, healthy children and strong values can exist within gay marriage. Straight marriages aren't any better than gay relationships.

And yes, you're going to have to accept that gays are different in their beliefs (like lots of people) and that many things you think are immoral are perfectly legal.

 

[Fitswimmer]

I know people who have changed their opinions on the subject. They start out thinking as you do, but they come around once they open their ears, eyes, hearts and minds. Apparently you just haven't yet. Heck, I used to be militantly anti-abortion until I figured out that I was imposing my personal beliefs on others. People evolve, just like words do.

I'm one of the changed opinion squad too. I started out following the herd on these issues and then when I started to really think about the consequences of allowing government to have that much intrusion in people's lives, it changed my thought process. Civil law does NOTHING to stop me or anyone else from following the teachings of my faith.

Keep government out of religion and religion out of government!