FP + What we know and what we want to know

[Disney_Princess83]

Here is what I was responding to:



Family members can all get in line TOGETHER in a SB line and not have to skip rides AND use FP+ on certain rides together.

Here is what I was responding to:
Then why did you quote another post entirely? No wonder everyone is confussed...


Family members can all get in line TOGETHER in a SB line and not have to skip rides AND use FP+ on certain rides together.

Of course they can still get in line together. They could all be waiting an hour + when currently they could all pull FP's together and wait 10-15 minutes in the FP line. Much better....

 

[UNCFanatik]

If my guests have FastPass and I don't, we don't get to ride together. Do we skip or wait in standby?

You can still all ride together in SB line if you so chose to do so.

 

[mom2rtk]

If my guests have FastPass and I don't, we don't get to ride together. Do we skip or wait in standby?

That's the decision we faced over and over that day. In the end, in spite of planning and talking about that day for months in advance, we spent most of it apart. Times were awkward, meeting up with enough time to really fill in doing something together was awkward. And in the end, I did not get to see my daughter's friend enjoying ETWB in the Belle ballgown I loaned her.

 

[Cinderumbrella]

I am sorry but why do people think they are somehow entitled to never have to wait more than 15 minutes for an attraction no matter the time of year or the size of their party.

Point is people can still ride attractions using the standby lines.

Wow I just love it when the "E" word shows up any time anyone expresses some concern over a change.

Why does this bother me???? Plain and simple.... this is my 5th year traveling the very same week. I'd like to think that I learned a thing or 2 about how to maximize my family's park experience in a crowded time of year throughout the course of my previous 4 trips.

Rope drop + FP = minimizing wait times

It's not a hard concept. It's not an unfair concept. It's not a concept for the "entitled." If you want to avoid long lines in peak times, in the past, this works rather well. (Whether you choose to do it, is up to the individual family.)

Suddenly, here comes a pretty massive change coming down the pipeline that seems to throw all that previous useful knowledge right out the window. (Notice the word SEEMS....a lot of speculation about it based on the very few facts that Disney has released.)

IF it rolls out in a manner similar to the testing (only 3 per day, picking among tiered groups of rides) my FPs will be capped at 3 per day. As I have mentioned many, many times previously, my usual FP in an average 8 hour park day is 5-7 (depending on the park).

3 < 7

Its not that I can't ride 7 things, its just that where I once only waited 10 minutes for each of those, now I will have to wait in the standby line for 4 of them. If this new system is partially about getting people out of lines, in my own personal example, I am waiting longer in lines no matter how you try to spin this.

So how is wanting my 5th vacation, in the very same week, to have similar wait times as the previous 4 make me "entitled?"

 

[mom2rtk]

You can still all ride together in SB line if you so chose to do so.

Then that standby line goes long and they miss their next FP+ slot. It really just does not work very well. At all.

 

[UNCFanatik]

Here is what I was responding to:
Then why did you quote another post entirely? No wonder everyone is confussed...


Family members can all get in line TOGETHER in a SB line and not have to skip rides AND use FP+ on certain rides together.

Of course they can still get in line together. They could all be waiting an hour + when currently they could all pull FP's together and wait 10-15 minutes in the FP line. Much better....

the poster said:

Seems a huge problem to me if AP holders and possibly DVC members traveling with family will have to skip rides due to FastPass+ limitations.

I was refuting the "skipping rides" assertion. That is simply not true.

And that is the false paradigm being presented here. If you cant get FP+ for an attraction, you have to skip it.

Not true.

Again, do not understand why people now think they are some how entitled now to never have to wait in a line longer than 15 minutes.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

You clearly didn't understand the post, despite it being explained to you. No one said anything about waiting 15 minutes so clearly you are the one that's confused.

For us personally, if we can't get a FP and the line is longer then 20 minutes, we skip the ride. This isn't because we feel entitled (is this word trending on twitter? It should be!) It's because we know anything longer than 20 minutes and it's not worth it. 3 minute ride = 45 minute wait not going to happen for us as a family.

the poster said:



I was refuting the "skipping rides" assertion. That is simply not true.

And that is the false paradigm being presented here. If you cant get FP+ for an attraction, you have to skip it.

Not true.

Again, do not understand why people now think they are some how entitled now to never have to wait in a line longer than 15 minutes.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Wait a second. Yes, I feel the ick factor - strongly. And yes, I love the artificial world and the ephermeral happiness it provides. And I do very much fear that the info is in the wrong hands.

Fair enough! Separate category, then!

 

[UNCFanatik]

Then that standby line goes long and they miss their next FP+ slot. It really just does not work very well. At all.

And just like now....if an FP+ window, is approaching then dont get in the SB line until later. With the only 3 rumored FP+ times, people should have no problems planning around them

And if we are dealing in conjecture here....they could change their FP+ time using their smart phones.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

And just like now....if an FP+ window, is approaching then dont get in the SB line until later. With the only 3 rumored FP+ times, people should have no problems planning around them

And if we are dealing in conjecture here....they could change their FP+ time using their smart phones.

Assuming that time is available, on the same day, within hours of the desired time. Assuming that regular FP is still in the parks, or that somehow 2-3 groups could all match up their FP+ time...

 

[UNCFanatik]

You clearly didn't understand the post, despite it being explained to you. No one said anything about waiting 15 minutes so clearly you are the one that's confused.

For us personally, if we can't get a FP and the line is longer then 20 minutes, we skip the ride. This isn't because we feel entitled (is this word trending on twitter? It should be!) It's because we know anything longer than 20 minutes and it's not worth it. 3 minute ride = 45 minute wait not going to happen for us as a family.

If you have a threshold for waiting for a ride then it is something you created and choose to do.

Your choice

 

[Disney_Princess83]

So how is wanting my 5th vacation, in the very same week, to have similar wait times as the previous 4 make me "entitled?"

Because someone on the Dis called you entitled! That's all you need to know!

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

They should stop building the blessed things, then.

Only build rides that nobody cares about and they can stop worrying about guests wanting to ride them so often.

This stuff (not YOUR posts, by the way) is looking so ridiculously out of phase with the history and
known reality of Disney parks that it borders on madness.

What stuff? We don't know that any of the "Disney motives" discussed here are actually their motivations at all -- at least not through any official source. Isn't it a little to early to conclude "madness" -- unless you're talking about the rampant speculation on here...?

Any chance at all that they are looking to provide the vast majority of guests with a better park experience?? Isn't that more in line with company history, etc. than all of this speculation is?

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...

Logical?

 

[mom2rtk]

And just like now....if an FP+ window, is approaching then dont get in the SB line until later. With the only 3 rumored FP+ times, people should have no problems planning around them

And if we are dealing in conjecture here....they could change their FP+ time using their smart phones.

The point is....... there just reaches a point where it's not worth it. You go "you guys go do your stuff, and we'll do ours".

Because it's NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THAT HARD.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

If you have a threshold for waiting for a ride then it is something you created and choose to do.

Your choice

And the point where I said it was forced upon us was.... where? Of course it is our choice, however with FP in the past this wasn't a problem. That's all I said. Again, unsure what part was this was unclear?

 

[Missyrose]

Wow I just love it when the "E" word shows up any time anyone expresses some concern over a change.

Why does this bother me???? Plain and simple.... this is my 5th year traveling the very same week. I'd like to think that I learned a thing or 2 about how to maximize my family's park experience in a crowded time of year throughout the course of my previous 4 trips.

Rope drop + FP = minimizing wait times

It's not a hard concept. It's not an unfair concept. It's not a concept for the "entitled." If you want to avoid long lines in peak times, in the past, this works rather well. (Whether you choose to do it, is up to the individual family.)

Suddenly, here comes a pretty massive change coming down the pipeline that seems to throw all that previous useful knowledge right out the window. (Notice the word SEEMS....a lot of speculation about it based on the very few facts that Disney has released.)

IF it rolls out in a manner similar to the testing (only 3 per day, picking among tiered groups of rides) my FPs will be capped at 3 per day. As I have mentioned many, many times previously, my usual FP in an average 8 hour park day is 5-7 (depending on the park).

3 < 7

Its not that I can't ride 7 things, its just that where I once only waited 10 minutes for each of those, now I will have to wait in the standby line for 4 of them. If this new system is partially about getting people out of lines, in my own personal example, I am waiting longer in lines no matter how you try to spin this.

So how is wanting my 5th vacation, in the very same week, to have similar wait times as the previous 4 make me "entitled?"

Excellent post.

 

[bigAWL]

What is it about possibly getting a maximum of 3 fastpasses per day with only one being for a headliner that is such an advantage? I'm puzzled by those who state that this will somehow make a day in the park easier. ONE headliner! ONE! Don't most people currently get more than one fastpass for a headliner in a day?

Well, if you poll DISers I think your conclusion will be yes, most people get a FP for more than one headliner each day.

When you look at actual daily attendance and ride capacity numbers, you might see a different story. (Disclaimer: After a few simple google searches, I found a sampling of figures - often by people claiming to be ride operator CMs - with numbers that more or less agree with the numbers I'm presenting here. Take that for what it's worth).

Magic Kingdom annual attendance: 17,000,000
Divide that by 365 days: about 47,000 visitors per day.

Daily ride capacities for the three mountains:
(Assuming 13 hour day)
Space Mountain: 29,000
Splash Mountain: 24,000
Big Thunder Mt: 28,000
Total Mountain Rides per day: about 81,000

This would seem to indicate that the average visitor only gets to ride at most two of the three mountains per day. That's not FP, that's total ride capacity. And for every family that gets an extra ride, someone else is missing out. Also, don't forget that this is using average daily attendance, so on peak days attendance will be much higher. And sometimes ride capacities are lower than expected due to break downs, etc.

Believe these numbers or not. Take them into consideration for a possible Disney motive for limiting FPs or not. It's up to you.

And please understand that I in no way wish to discount anyone's personal heartache with such a move. It will affect me (I've been a super-user of FPs) in the same way it affects others here. I'm just here trying to wait for new information, and throwing in my 2 cents along the way.

 

[UNCFanatik]

Assuming that time is available, on the same day, within hours of the desired time. Assuming that regular FP is still in the parks, or that somehow 2-3 groups could all match up their FP+ time...

Yup and it could just be easy to do as well. You dont know...because like i said...conjecture.

What if..perish the thought, that all of this turns out better than you expect...*gasp*

 

[Disney_Princess83]

Yup and it could just be easy to do as well. You dont know...because like i said...conjecture.

What if..perish the thought, that all of this turns out better than you expect...*gasp*

Again *gasp* the point where I said that it wouldn't? I'm unsure if you have read my posts but most of the time I'm telling people not to panic until the "real information from Disney is released. Guess you happened to miss those ones?

This is a discussion board. That means it is a board to discuss things. Good things, bad things, thoughts, feelings, ideas. If you don't like to discuss things, why are you on a discussion board?

 

[Cinderumbrella]

What stuff? We don't know that any of the "Disney motives" discussed here are actually their motivations at all -- at least not through any official source. Isn't it a little to early to conclude "madness" -- unless you're talking about the rampant speculation on here...?

Any chance at all that they are looking to provide the vast majority of guests with a better park experience?? Isn't that more in line with company history, etc. than all of this speculation is?

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...

Logical?

I can't speak specifically for Robo, but as I was silently reading along last evening, it really was "madness" in some of the leaps folks were making about that one line. (And this is coming from a "doom & gloomer" )

Personally, I think that is the line that will cover our presumption that you can only make FP+ reservations equal to the same number of days as the corresponding ticket linked to your MDE account.

It will probably also give them a CYA if they want to "shut off" someone's ability to make FP+ in the event of blatant abuse (such as an AP holder making a ressie for TSMM, ETWB etc for every day of the year and then only using 2 of 365 or some such ridiculous plan).