FP + What we know and what we want to know

[mousermerf]

But that certainly will not stop you from all your gloom and doom predictions with the upcoming FP+ system.

Too bad you do not take a wait and see perspective on your predictions as well.

It will be doom/gloom for certain types of guests. That's a given.

How much those people matter (the answer is generally that they dont as a minority) is really what should be discussed.

I've yet to see an intelligent or well articulated argument for why anyone should be allowed to ride something 6 times in a day with less than 20 minute waits while 5 other families are forced to wait 2 hours or more or not ride at all.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

uh huh

Too funny!! OK -- you got me! I joined DIS 7yrs ago as a plant for FP+... Disney plans things REALLY far ahead...

It's meant to point out that despite the seemingly endless number of "this is going to ruin MY park day by not letting me ride Toy Story Mania six times!" responses this thread garners that the majority of guests will see it as an improvement.

The hopes of having it shot down in the court of public opinion once it goes live or tweaked to benefit those who want to ride something 6 times is.. well.. silly.

IMO,

 

[mom2rtk]

No. She qualified it with "if it's too frustrating."

Thank you for reading.

 

[mousermerf]

A thought..

The longer someone is a passholder the more likely it is that they wont ride anything during a park visit. The level of anticipated unhappiness with ride restrictions is far overstated, especially in regards to repeat guests.

 

[Tormania]

Forgive a newbie question but was does SB stand for? I'm pretty sure it means the normal line for attractions rather than the FP line but just curious what is actually means.


I'm not too concerned about the potential new FP system for at least our next trip as our DS will be just shy of 4 yrs old and we won't be racing from ride to ride to ride like I've done theme parks in the past. My challenge will be trying to slow down and not drag the family all over the place like that since it's in my inherent nature to do that very thing and rather slow down and enjoy the parks through my DS's eyes. We'll be there long enough to get to do everything anyway, don't need to do it all in a single day for us.

 

[UNCFanatik]

It will be doom/gloom for certain types of guests. That's a given.

How much those people matter (the answer is generally that they dont as a minority) is really what should be discussed.

I've yet to see an intelligent or well articulated argument for why anyone should be allowed to ride something 6 times in a day with less than 20 minute waits while 5 other families are forced to wait 2 hours or more or not ride at all.

Perhaps it will be for certain types of guests, but they are projecting their gloom and doom predictions onto Disney guests as a whole while making predictions about overall guest behavior and SB lines. We have seen these same people make FP enforcement gloom and doom predictions that didnt come true either.

 

[gwmort]

I've yet to see an intelligent or well articulated argument for why anyone should be allowed to ride something 6 times in a day with less than 20 minute waits while 5 other families are forced to wait 2 hours or more or not ride at all.

Because it never happens.

No family is ever forced to wait 2 hours to ride anything (its a choice not forced). The only way someone is riding the same attraction 6 times in the same day with fast passes each time is if everytime they get off there are still fast passes available (assuming they aren't just cheating by transferring fps among non-riding guests). As long as fps are available the families standing in that standby line could have gotten one instead of getting in the SB line.

 

[mesaboy2]

Forgive a newbie question but was does SB stand for? I'm pretty sure it means the normal line for attractions rather than the FP line but just curious what is actually means.


I'm not too concerned about the potential new FP system for at least our next trip as our DS will be just shy of 4 yrs old and we won't be racing from ride to ride to ride like I've done theme parks in the past. My challenge will be trying to slow down and not drag the family all over the place like that since it's in my inherent nature to do that very thing and rather slow down and enjoy the parks through my DS's eyes. We'll be there long enough to get to do everything anyway, don't need to do it all in a single day for us.

Standby, and yes.

 

[g-dad66]

I've yet to see an intelligent or well articulated argument for why anyone should be allowed to ride something 6 times in a day with less than 20 minute waits while 5 other families are forced to wait 2 hours or more or not ride at all.

Because everyone has the same opportunity to find out the same information that I and other super-users found out, and everyone has the same opportunity to make Rope Drop as I and other super-users have done.

We super-users didn't restrict those opportunities for research or early rising. In fact, we generally were letting everyone on DISBoards know our strategies for success as FP super-users.

 

[mom2rtk]

It's meant to point out that despite the seemingly endless number of "this is going to ruin MY park day by not letting me ride Toy Story Mania six times!" responses this thread garners that the majority of guests will see it as an improvement.

The hopes of having it shot down in the court of public opinion once it goes live or tweaked to benefit those who want to ride something 6 times is.. well.. silly.

No more silly than someone painting "superusers" as evil, selfish and manipulative. You really seem to take this to heart mousemerf. Are you on FP+ development team? Is next year's bonus riding on your ability to reign us all in?

And man, I bow to anyone who was able to ride TSMM 6 times in one day! The most I've ever done is twice. But then some trips I've totally skipped it. Once a couple years ago, we had a FP and didn't ride it at all. Made some little boy's day giving them to him late in the day when we ran out of time.

But my daughter did ride ToT 5 times one night on our last trip. And she didn't push a single person out of the way to collect those fastpasses. Didn't hit any top secret buttons to sneak an extra FP out out of the machine. Didn't print any fakes at home before we arrived. Nothing. Just did what every other guest had available to them. She watched the times and collected them and used them at the appropriate times. Would she have rather not walked across the park that many times to collect them? Sure, but she put in the effort, and she got the payoff.

 

[Lorilais_mommie]

Can someone please explaine this to me!!

They asked people to help test out there new system FP+
They get enough info to back up their claims the FP+ is GREAT!
But correct me if I'm wrong..
The people who were allowed to test the new FP+ also HAD access to FP-??????????
Then when they put the FP+ in place we will have to chose FP+ or FP-

Of course the people who tested thought it was GREAT... B/c they didn't have to give up the FP-... I bet if you gave them the choice disney would have gotten a different redaction..

 

[mom2rtk]

Can someone please explaine this to me!!

They asked people to help test out there new system FP+
They get enough info to back up their claims the FP+ is GREAT!
But correct me if I'm wrong..
The people who were allowed to test the new FP+ also HAD access to FP-??????????
Then when they put the FP+ in place we will have to chose FP+ or FP-

Of course the people who tested thought it was GREAT... B/c they didn't have to give up the FP-... I bet if you gave them the choice disney would have gotten a different redaction..

Yep.

To all of that.

"But the research shows that people love FP+!"

They also said people loved the parade and fireworks fastpasses. I would love it if someone would volunteer to hold my spot for those things while I was off doing rides. As long as it didn't mean I had to use one of my 3 FP opportunities for the entire day on it.

 

[g-dad66]

Can someone please explaine this to me!!

They asked people to help test out there new system FP+
They get enough info to back up their claims the FP+ is GREAT!
But correct me if I'm wrong..
The people who were allowed to test the new FP+ also HAD access to FP-??????????
Then when they put the FP+ in place we will have to chose FP+ or FP-

Of course the people who tested thought it was GREAT... B/c they didn't have to give up the FP-... I bet if you gave them the choice disney would have gotte
n a different redaction..

Good point.

And I would add that about half of the reports from trial participants which I read said that FP+ was basically a dud for them, because either:

(1) it didn't work out for them to be at the attraction during the FP+ window time, or

(2) the standby line was so short that they didn't need the FP anyway (this was typically not for a headliner attraction but for one of the "lesser tier" attractions they were given the opportunity to choose).

 

[HelenParr]

A thought..

The longer someone is a passholder the more likely it is that they wont ride anything during a park visit. The level of anticipated unhappiness with ride restrictions is far overstated, especially in regards to repeat guests.

Agree that people who go often are less commando, and more likely to smell the roses, but disagree with your overall inference that this means 1 FP for an E ride per day is not going to cause me a load of unhappiness. I anticipate my level of unhappiness will be extremely high, and I am sure there are others who will feel the same way.

We are there a lot, at least for folks who have to fly to get to WDW. We average 20-25 Disney World days per year, on property. In all those trips, every time we go to the parks (which is pretty much every day we go absent illness or hurricane) we have used more than 1 FP on a major attraction in a day, and rarely at "rope drop", often in different parks on the same day.

I get that we do not know all the answers, and it probably will mutate as it goes along. But I'm curious why you think that experienced Disers cannot accurately assess their own reactions to the proposed situation? I feel very in touch with my Disney preferences, and I have a strong imagination. I can accurately imagine how I am going to react to FP+ relative to the proposed variables.

 

[mcd2745]

Perhaps it will be for certain types of guests, but they are projecting their gloom and doom predictions onto Disney guests as a whole while making predictions about overall guest behavior and SB lines. We have seen these same people make FP enforcement gloom and doom predictions that didnt come true either.

And let's not forget all the outrage over the CC guarantees for certain ADRs. It was a lot of these same players as well. That policy has been one of the best things Disney has done in a long time. It has improved the ADR situation immeasurably.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Are there FP plants on the DIS who are only here to admonish any critique leveled against the old system post enforcement or the new FP+ system.

No more silly than someone painting "superusers" as evil, selfish and manipulative. You really seem to take this to heart mousemerf. Are you on FP+ development team? Is next year's bonus riding on your ability to reign us all in?

Which tagline better:

-- "DISboards: The home of hyperbole and paranoia."

-- "DISboards: Your source for hyperbole and paranoia."

It's a close one, I think...

In any case, I'll leave you to it!! I'm off to accuse posters on another thread of being "plants for Universal" whose bonuses depend on FP+ tanking.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

And let's not forget all the outrage over the CC guarantees for certain ADRs. It was a lot of these same players as well. That policy has been one of the best things Disney has done in a long time. It has improved the ADR situation immeasurably.

How can that be, though!!?! It was going to be the worst thing ever!! Before FP enforcement and then FP+, that is...

 

[UNCFanatik]

Good point.

And I would add that about half of the reports from trial participants which I read said that FP+ was basically a dud for them, because either:

(1) it didn't work out for them to be at the attraction during the FP+ window time, or

(2) the standby line was so short that they didn't need the FP anyway (this was typically not for a headliner attraction but for one of the "lesser tier" attractions they were given the opportunity to choose).

I am confused...you say good point when Lorilais_mommie says that people thought FP+ was great but then you basically say she was not totally accurate when you say the reports you read about FP+ was a dud.

Do you have access to these FP+ surveys? Can you share them with us or give us a link where we can see the information for ourselves?

 

[DougEMG]

I've yet to see an intelligent or well articulated argument for why anyone should be allowed to ride something 6 times in a day with less than 20 minute waits while 5 other families are forced to wait 2 hours or more or not ride at all.

Because each person has the "free will" to do whatever they want to provided it is within the rules that Disney puts in place.

Disney isn't changing the rules because they think it is "unfair" that some guests are having to wait long in lines while others are not, they are changing the rules because they think it will be better for their bottom line.

I thought in one of the interviews I read that a Disney spokesmen said they didn't want to get into a ride building war and that they thought this would give them a competitive advantage over just adding more rides to the parks.

Personally I would have preferred keeping the current FP system and having more rides added to parks, but no one at Disney cared about my opinion

 

[g-dad66]

RD is the minority of park guests. Most park guests arrive between 11am and 1pm - and were unable to get a FP for Toy Story Mania or Soarin on an average day.

Yes, I can believe that the overwhelming popularity of these two attractions contributes heavily to complaints that guests have about long lines.

But I have to wonder.....if those very same guests will be the ones who won't sign up for a FP+ for TSM or Soarin early enough to get one, and then if they still arrive late at the park, they will still be out of luck....

If they don't know now that they need to be at the park early to avoid a long line for TSM or Soarin, will they know that they need to be on the ball and pick those two attractions early as their top FP+ choices?

I guess time will tell.