FP + What we know and what we want to know

[doconeill]

ohhhhhh...... this is a really long thread!
Sorry if someone else posted this question.....

Would we be able to just pick certain days during our stay for the FP+ or does it have to be for the entire stay?

I could see where we would use it only certain days and parks..... like our only day at DHS.
But we would not want it for the others. We hop too and will get FP at each park we hop to.

I guess it's a waiting game til they announce all the details.

According to the Terms and Conditions, no. Once you are enabled for FP+, you cannot then use the regular Fastpass kiosks.

 

[dadddio]

Does anyone know how the wrist band will identify guests? Is there a photo they check when you swipe for purchases below the minimum required to type in the pin? I know they say don't worry there is no personal info on the band but if I don't notice its missing a person could make quite a few purchases below 50 dollars or whatever the minimum is before I report it. If a photo came up at the cash desk then the CM could check.

They removed the minimum so you will enter the PIN regardless of the item's price. Actually, there is some question about that as one of the releases stated that the guest 'could' choose a PIN, which kind of suggests that the use of a PIN and perhaps the amount set before a PIN is required is up to the guest. I suggest, however, that it was just a bit of sloppy writing and that everyone who chooses to pay with the bands will need to use a PIN regardless of the amount of purchase.

Also there must be some biometrics to it to stop people using other peoples bands and FP+ allowances?

I'm not sure that that is necessary and it certainly isn't set up that way right now. Currently, the only place that 'biometrics' is used is upon entering the park where both the current and new systems require a thumbprint(ish).

I don't think that it's necessary to police at the FP line as I'm not sure that it truly matters if the FP is used by the specific person within the party. It should be noted that even though current FPs are technically transferrable, it is fairly common for these to be given away.

 

[Disneygirl 792]

According to the Terms and Conditions, no. Once you are enabled for FP+, you cannot then use the regular Fastpass kiosks.

This is a great thread
I just was explaining this to someone! She was worried that the tour groups would really take advantage of both FP & FP+. She goes when they are there, I go late summer...

 

[dadddio]

ohhhhhh...... this is a really long thread!
Sorry if someone else posted this question.....

Would we be able to just pick certain days during our stay for the FP+ or does it have to be for the entire stay?

I could see where we would use it only certain days and parks..... like our only day at DHS.

Yes and no.

Once you convert your ticket to RFID to use FP+, the remainder of that ticket will be FP+. However, if you went to the other parks first, you could then convert the ticket to FP+ for use in the last park, DHS.

That being said, we don't know enough about the way FP+ will work (especially in the transition between FP and FP+) to know whether there will be any real benefit of changing to FP+ within a day or so of your visit.

But we would not want it for the others. We hop too and will get FP at each park we hop to.

At this point, we don't know whether or not you will be able to obtain 'quality' FP+s same day, in the parks. If we will be able to, then the hopping benefits of FP over FP+ will be greatly decreased (or removed entirely).

 

[doconeill]

Yes and no.

Once you convert your ticket to RFID to use FP+, the remainder of that ticket will be FP+. However, if you went to the other parks first, you could then convert the ticket to FP+ for use in the last park, DHS.

Assuming you will be permitted to convert part way. And at that point, there may not be anything worth pre-booking left, never mind if they are available same-day, and you'd probably be better off not converting and sticking with FP.

Too many questions yet to be answered

 

[doggydoc]

I do think it is interesting that the Disneyparks blog has had no official response since January 7. I wonder where Mr. Staggs and Mr. Smith have disappeared to?

I hope Disney is looking at sources of input other than the blog because to look at the responses there you would think this is the greates thing to ever happen at Disney.

However, according the previous accounts of gaining advantages, the only "effort" that was put forth by certain "superusers" was being told about an advantage. There was zero "effort" put forth. They were just among the fortunate few that new such an advantage existed.

So did the info fairy come down out of the sky and bless people with this knowledge? If not they had to put forth some kind of effort such as researching where to find the info and then digging out the beneficial nuggets from mountains of sludge. Sure they built on the work of others but if that qualifies as "no effort" then there are a lot of Nobel prizes that should be returned.

 

[mesaboy2]

Not following your train of thought here.

Everybody who knew about past FP advantages had that knowledge fall into their laps, dontcha know. It was only given out by CMs who deemed you worthy of letting you in on their little secret. And that is unfair.

Nobody got that information by looking around on websites and seeing, oh I don't know, the same information posted hundreds of times.

 

[doconeill]

Everybody who knew about past FP advantages had that knowledge fall into their laps, dontcha know. It was only given out by CMs who deemed you worthy of letting you in on their little secret. And that is unfair.

Nobody got that information by looking around on websites and seeing, oh I don't know, the same information posted hundreds of times.

Or purchased one of several popular guidebooks that made mention of it either...

 

[mom2rtk]

I don't know about you guys, but I had to give the secret handshake.

Oh, and be willing to hoof it all over the parks collecting said fastpasses. The fastpass fairy didn't drop them into my lap.

 

[Missyrose]

Everybody who knew about past FP advantages had that knowledge fall into their laps, dontcha know. It was only given out by CMs who deemed you worthy of letting you in on their little secret. And that is unfair.

Nobody got that information by looking around on websites and seeing, oh I don't know, the same information posted hundreds of times.

Or purchased one of several popular guidebooks that made mention of it either...

I could almost buy UNCFanatik's theory that people who didn't know about late FPs were at a disadvantage.

But to now argue that the ability to use 5, 6, or 7 FPs per day in the current system is ALSO a knowledge advantage is completely asinine. The time to get your next FP is PRINTED ON THE FP ITSELF. It's not like we had a super-secret club where we knew the super-secret rules about when you're allowed to pull FPs.

The new system doesn't level the playing field, it just limits the number of runs you can score. The planners (or UNCFanatik's so-called superusers) will still get the best FP+ reservations at the best times, their effort would still be rewarded. So what happens to those "poor people" who don't like to wake up early when the only Space Mountain FP+ times available are between 9 and 10 a.m. Does Disney again have to level the playing field when that happens?

 

[UNCFanatik]

So did the info fairy come down out of the sky and bless people with this knowledge? If not they had to put forth some kind of effort such as researching where to find the info and then digging out the beneficial nuggets from mountains of sludge. Sure they built on the work of others but if that qualifies as "no effort" then there are a lot of Nobel prizes that should be returned.

if by "info fairy" you mean CMs, then you are correct. My their own account, CMs selectively told people about the FP advantage. Therefore, no "effort" was put forth other than the remarkable coincidence that they were in the right place in the right time and were lucky enough to have a CM telling them. But of course, other long time Dis'ers and frequent WDW guests never were told this info. Funny how that all came to pass...

You are right, come to think of it, they must have learned from an "info fairy". That is more plausible than their original "story"

Everybody who knew about past FP advantages had that knowledge fall into their laps, dontcha know. It was only given out by CMs who deemed you worthy of letting you in on their little secret. And that is unfair.

Nobody got that information by looking around on websites and seeing, oh I don't know, the same information posted hundreds of times.

Apparently so, because the most ardent opponents of the FP enforcement said they were all personally told by CMs.

They didnt say they read it in a book, website, learned through research, etc.

To say that there was an "effort" put forth by these people is to ignore the previous reports of being told by CMs.

And to say something is posted hundreds of times means that people learn about it is also to ignore the scores of people hear that recycle the same subjects over and over on the DIS.

 

[mmmhf]

if by "info fairy" you mean CMs, then you are correct. My their own account, CMs selectively told people about the FP advantage. Therefore, no "effort" was put forth other than the remarkable coincidence that they were in the right place in the right time and were lucky enough to have a CM telling them. But of course, other long time Dis'ers and frequent WDW guests never were told this info. Funny how that all came to pass...

You are right, come to think of it, they must have learned from an "info fairy". That is more plausible than their original "story"

Apparently so, because the most ardent opponents of the FP enforcement said they were all personally told by CMs.

They didnt say they read it in a book, website, learned through research, etc.

To say that there was an "effort" put forth by these people is to ignore the previous reports of being told by CMs.

And to say something is posted hundreds of times means that people learn about it is also to ignore the scores of people hear that recycle the same subjects over and over on the DIS.

I didn't find out from a CM. Found out on the Internet and was also on RideMax (website we used for touring plans).

 

[doconeill]

Apparently so, because the most ardent opponents of the FP enforcement said they were all personally told by CMs.

They didnt say they read it in a book, website, learned through research, etc.

To say that there was an "effort" put forth by these people is to ignore the previous reports of being told by CMs.

And to say something is posted hundreds of times means that people learn about it is also to ignore the scores of people hear that recycle the same subjects over and over on the DIS.

I did not learn about it from a CM. I both learned about it here (in other words, a web site), and in one of the guide books (Unofficial Guide I think).

That does not mean I didn't also hear it from CMs. I did...I've heard them telling EVERYONE, not just the select few you think. I've also gotten it from non-front-line CMs as well.

But why are we debating this again? It is completely and utterly irrelevant.

 

[UNCFanatik]

I could almost buy UNCFanatik's theory that people who didn't know about late FPs were at a disadvantage.

yes, it was an advantage pre-FP enforcement. No denying it

But to now argue that the ability to use 5, 6, or 7 FPs per day in the current system is ALSO a knowledge advantage is completely asinine. The time to get your next FP is PRINTED ON THE FP ITSELF. It's not like we had a super-secret club where we knew the super-secret rules about when you're allowed to pull FPs.

Nope, not my position at all.

However, current FP users do benefit from people's ignorance on how FPs work. BUT that ignorance is self inflicted.

The new system doesn't level the playing field, it just limits the number of runs you can score. The planners (or UNCFanatik's so-called superusers) will still get the best FP+ reservations at the best times, their effort would still be rewarded. So what happens to those "poor people" who don't like to wake up early when the only Space Mountain FP+ times available are between 9 and 10 a.m. Does Disney again have to level the playing field when that happens?

Superuser is not my term....someone else coined in. Merely using it as a point of designation to differentiate from an average park goer.

What will happen is now a matter of speculation and conjecture. I will remind you that many predictions about FP enforcement never came to pass.

 

[Cinderumbrella]

But why are we debating this again? It is completely and utterly irrelevant.

 

[UNCFanatik]

IBut why are we debating this again? It is completely and utterly irrelevant.

My point was that WillAustin was saying that people put an "effort" into gaining an advantage. AND i was intentionally vague because I was not trying to start the debate again.

Bottom line, people took advantage of what Disney allowed and now the rules have changed and are changing more. Those people are unhappy with changes because it affects the way they like to tour.

Thus, all the angst and the predictions of gloom and doom....

 

[WillAustin]

if by "info fairy" you mean CMs, then you are correct. My their own account, CMs selectively told people about the FP advantage. Therefore, no "effort" was put forth other than the remarkable coincidence that they were in the right place in the right time and were lucky enough to have a CM telling them. But of course, other long time Dis'ers and frequent WDW guests never were told this info. Funny how that all came to pass...

You are right, come to think of it, they must have learned from an "info fairy". That is more plausible than their original "story"

You sound like you are little bitter that you didn't know.

Late returns are not the "effort" I was talking about. There are several ways to maximize the number of attractions in our day, one of which is getting as many FPs as possible. Even after they started the return time enforcement, it hasn't slowed us down in our FP gathering. We never depended on the late return, but were happy to use it if we needed it.

And if they limit the number we can have with FP+ and that results in increased time in line for us, it's a certainly negative effect on our day, and our concern is justified. If we don't actually end up spending more time in line, then we still win, and I was entertained by all the FP+ possibilities discussions.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

With the MagicBand RFID system, it would be entirely feasible for them to implement a system where they charge by hour.
... Now - will Disney do this? Doubtful. .

OMG. So now we're positing that they may charge by the hour here??? Something that is not even in the neighborhood of anything that Disney has ever suggested?!? Do we just WANT to be unhappy on DIS?!

Theoretically, Disney COULD ask for your firstborn child in exchange for a MagicBand+++ that lets you have the park to yourself for a day per year. Doubtful, but possible...

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Can we mock the people who claim that they are DUN with Disney and will never go back, but still hang out on the trip planning boards?

There may be an obligation to do so... I'll research that...

 

[Missyrose]

OMG. So now we're positing that they may charge by the hour here??? Something that is not even in the neighborhood of anything that Disney has ever suggested?!? Do we just WANT to be unhappy on DIS?!

Theoretically, Disney COULD ask for your firstborn child in exchange for a MagicBand+++ that lets you have the park to yourself for a day per year. Doubtful, but possible...

And yet variable pricing for peak times is reportedly in the mix (I'll have to go track down that link that was passed around in the past few days).